Debunked: Chemtrails and Hopi prophecy: Cobweb built around the earth

Gundersen

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I came across the following quote a few time in various places:
The quote is often accompanied with the following image:

Source: http://talesfromtheconspiratum.com/...ll-be-cobwebs-spun-back-and-forth-in-the-sky/

The times I have seen the quote / image it has always been in relation to the chemtrail theory.
I was curious about this quote, even though I do not personally myself put much value in prophecies. I know that a lot of believers apparently think quotes like the above has great significance.

I did a quick google search and found a few pages which wrote the following:

Source: http://www.ahastories.com/hopiprophecy.html
Source: http://www.angelfire.com/music2/fullcircle/PropheciesStudy.html
After spending some time google various versions of the quote, I came close to what I thought could be a possible source.
Source: http://www.welcomehome.org/rainbow/prophecy/hopi2.html
The above-mentioned speech from 1986 is on youtube:
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5

So, judging from this, the cobweb is a metaphor for the telephone. Hereafter he talks about WW2, it does not seem like anything about Judgement Day, Ragnarok, Armageddon or the Apocalypse is mentioned anywhere, same goes for contrails or airplanes.

The only earlier version of the quote I have been able to find is from the movie Koyaanisqatsi (1982).
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koyaanisqatsi
I have not been able to find anything about where the filmmaker got his quotes from, unfortunately.

Warning: Subjective analysis
As mentioned, I have not been able to find any sources which shows the true origin of the prophecy. Nothing except modern books on the apocolypse showed up in Google Books, I am however not that experienced in using Google Books to find sources. The earliest entries I have found was a speech by Lee Brown in 1986 and the movie Koyaanisqatsi from 1982.

Based on what is available, I am highly doubting the quote to of ancient origin. I expect the quote to be from the early to mid 1900s, presumable during or after WW2. I think that the quote is less of an prophecy and more likely to be a story of WW2 told during or after. It is, however, also possible it is based on an ancient prophecy, but strongly altered to fit the scenario.

Does anybody know more about this quote?
 

Gundersen

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Ps. I was not sure whether what I found was enough for me to name the threat "Debunked:", I will let Mr. West or another admin be the judge of that.
 

deirdre

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Does anybody know more about this quote?
I dont know about the quote per se. But no mention of cobwebs or such by Dan Katchongva, the late Sun Clan leader of Hotevilla.




there is mention of cobwebs by White Feather, a Hopi of the ancient Bear Clan. but they are across the land, not in sky.
So we have 2 Native Americans saying the web will be around the land. And one who doesnt mention them at all.
I'm marking this as debunked unless the chemtrailists can produce some evidence as to the source of their quote. And movies dont count.
 

deirdre

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The only earlier version of the quote I have been able to find is from the movie Koyaanisqatsi (1982).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Monongye

I'm going through Techqua Ikachi a bit to see if there is any mention of cobwebs. Let me know if you find anything that would explain the movie chant.


add: regarding the 3 events-from the newletter:
 

deirdre

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this link is saying its from this book, 1963 viking press.? no preview available, since you brought it up @Gundersen i'll let you go to the library and read the book :) see if its in there and the context
bold mine:
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deirdre

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ok i might have found Frank Waters source. Or at least confirmed One of his contributers seems to concur.
Frank Lansa: acknowledgements from his book http://www67.homepage.villanova.edu/barbara.wall/phi4400docs/Waters_Intro.pdf
lansa.JPG

1971 interview
 

JRBids

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It is amazing how prophecies can say there will be "paths" in the sky (which you can shoehorn "planes" into) but the prophecy can't say "they will be things carrying people flying in the sky". And "cobwebs" mean power lines, not "there will be threads giving light to houses" or whatever. I understand the people who are giving these prophecies don't understand what they are supposedly passing on, but whatever is giving them these visions/words can certainly be more specific if they are as magical as claimed.
 

deirdre

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It is amazing how prophecies can say there will be "paths" in the sky
obviously i'm not a hopi expert (at all!), but so far that interview is the ONLY instance i have found so far of ANYONE mentioning "paths in the sky". Other than [the path of the sun].
I'm curious if it is in the "Book of Hopi" 1963 or if that was just an "add on" my Lansa (1971).

Either way, the 'gourd of ash' is being interpreted by Hopi as far back as possibly 1963 (have to read the book), but certainly by Lansa in 1971. And the ash gourd (atomic bombs) comes AFTER the [cobwebs across the sky] warning. And since chemmies insist there were no contrails even back in the 80's... debunked. :)


I'm sure Nostradamus predicted "chemtrails" too somewhere in his prophecies, he [allegedly] predicted everything else! ;)
 

Graham2001

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Jason Colavito had a look into Hopi Prophecy his conclusion is below, with a link to the full article which is well worth reading:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/did-the-hopi-predict-the-end-of-the-world
 

ROSALINE

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In the score by Philip Glass, the word "Koyaanisqatsi" is chanted at the beginning and end of the film in an "otherworldly"[26] dark, sepulchral basso profondo by singer Albert de Ruiter over a solemn, four-bar organ-passacaglia bassline. Three Hopi prophecies sung by a choral ensemble during the latter part of the "Prophecies" movement are translated just prior to the end credits:

  • "If we dig precious things from the land, we will invite disaster."
  • "Near the day of Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky."
  • "A container of ashes might one day be thrown from the sky, which could burn the land and boil the oceans."
Has anyone considered that the above statement "A container of ashes might one day be thrown from the sky, which could burn the land and boil the oceans" could be referring to the aluminum and barium being sprayed almost daily worldwide to curb climate rise?

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/03/11/cloud-seeding-helps-bring-more-rain-from-fridays-storm/
IMG_8588.jpeg

AKA "gourd of ash" " Great ashes will be dumped on cities and there will be destruction."
 
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deirdre

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"A container of ashes might one day be thrown from the sky, which could burn the land and boil the oceans" could be referring to the aluminum and barium being sprayed almost daily worldwide to curb climate rise?
according to The Book of Hopi (see post #5) it is the atomic bomb.
 
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