Claim: Nasa' in Hebrew means "to deceive"

Rory

Senior Member.
Many flat earthers and space deniers believe that NASA not only stands for the "National Aeronautics and Space Administration" but, in Hebrew, means "to deceive" or "lie", for example:
The Hebrew word that we pronounce as "NASA" (or, more correctly, "na-sar") is actually the slightly different "נָשָׂא", which is a primitive verb root meaning "to lift, bear up, carry, or take":
In the King James translation of the Bible, it is used 654 times in 611 verses, and not one of those uses is related to "deception":
The primitive verb root which in Hebrew means "to beguile" or "to deceive" is "נָשָׁא", as quoted above, which is transliterated as nasha' (pronounced "na-shar"). They are easily confused, not only in English, but for those not familiar with Hebrew: the only difference being the location of the dot above the middle letter ("shin").

A dot above the right hand side of "shin" represents the sound "sh" (called "shin dot") while a dot above the left represents the sound "s" (called "sin dot").

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_(letter)#Sin_and_Shin_Dot

"נָשָׁא" (nasha') is used in the KJV in the 16 times, across 15 different verses.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H5377&t=KJV
https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/kjv/nasha.html
 
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deirdre

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The Hebrew word they are referring to is "נָשָׂא"

you didn't provide a source for this claim. The source I found says

 

Hevach

Senior Member.
There's some inconsistency with how abbreviations are translated, but transliterating the pronunciation of the abbreviation isn't one I remember seeing.

Sometimes the letters are transliterated, keeping the foreign full name (The German SS stayed SS in English rather than becomming PS), this would not drop the first A. Sometimes the name is translated and a new abbreviation created (CCCP became USSR), and without knowing Hebrew I assume this would somehow keep four letters. If the name is a meaningful word that word is sometimes translated (the US's PATRIOT Act is often translated as if it were the Patriot Act instead of an elaborate forced abbreviation), but this is different than transliterating the word, and doesn't work as NASA is not a word in its original language.
 
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Globe head

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The problem with Rob's graphic and assumption that nasa means "deceive" is because The Hebrew letter shin ש (the "s" in nasa) represents two different phonemes: 's' and 'sh' . The two are distinguished by a dot above the left-hand side of the letter for 's' (rendering the letter as "sin") and above the right-hand side for 'sh' (rendering the letter as "shin").

In the above graphic that Rob used, you will notice the letter shin has a dot on the right side indicating that the letter is pronounced "sh" and therefore rendering the word "nasha", not "nasa." Therefore, it is "nä·shä' that means deceive. The letter s in nasa (dot above the left side of the letter) is pronounced like the s in side and means to "lift up" as noted in the above posts.

Ref:
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5375.htm
http://eteacherhebrew.com/articles/letter-shin



 
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Globe head

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you didn't provide a source for this claim. The source I found says

I think what Rob failed to understand is that they would NOT appear the same in the original text.
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http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/alphabet_chart.html

From this chart, we notice that although there were no dots or pronunciation markings, there WERE differing letters with different pronunciations.

Therefore:

The word "deceive" was spelled: nun-shin-aleph (right to left) -
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/ahlb/nun.html#5378

and

The word "life up" was spelled: nun-sin-aleph (right to left) -
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/ahlb/nun.html#5375
 
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Radapox

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I think what Rob failed to understand is that they would NOT appear the same in the original text.

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/alphabet_chart.html

That chart is incorrect anyhow. Ignoring the silly usage of the Proto-Canaanite script (which was never used for Hebrew), the shapes given for the sin are in fact those for the samekh, which is a different letter of the alphabet altogether - even if its (modern) pronunciation is the same as for sin. As you pointed out already, sin and shin are spelled with the same character ש, only differing in the position of the dot. (Also, there is no verb "nun-samekh-aleph" in Biblical Hebrew.)

Anyway, it's not relevant. As we've already established, the verb that means "deceive" is not pronounced nasa but nasha. Rob clearly missed that š stands for a sh sound. Diacritics are not just for looks, people!
 

Globe head

New Member
Really.....well, there are several sources that would disagree with your statement that this Proto-Canaanite/Siniatic was never used for Hebrew. What proof/credentials do you have to confirm your statement, because, so far, you're the only one who believes that.

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/ahlb/
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/learn_ancient.html
http://emetyahshua.com/uploads/The_Ancient_Pictographic_Hebrew_Language1.pdf
https://www.hebrew4christians.com/Grammar/Unit_One/Pictograms/pictograms.html
 
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Whitebeard

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Just for a bit of context.

After a few minutes playing with google translate, Nasa can mean the following

Pot in Spanish
Desire in Fillipino Spanish
Platform in Basque
Our in Bosnian / Serbo Croat / Masadonian / Slovenian
Nipple or Knob in Estonian
His Own in Hawaiin / Maori / Samoan
Nostril in Iceland (and also old Norse) / Swedish
In in Javanese / Mongolian
Nose in Kurdish / Nepali / Pashto
Godmother in Romanian
Breast in Somali
Time in Sudanese
Dawn in Zulu

At that point I gave up, but Hebrew, yiddish etc threw up NO results other than NASA

But does this prove NASA are secret Spanish stoners, innuendo laiden Estonians or possessive polynesians? or does it show that this whole idea is BS? I suspect the later
 

Jon Adams

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Just for a bit of context.

After a few minutes playing with google translate, Nasa can mean the following

Pot in Spanish
Desire in Fillipino Spanish
Nipple or Knob in Estonian
Breast in Somali

At that point I gave up, but Hebrew, yiddish etc threw up NO results other than NASA

But does this prove NASA are secret Spanish stoners, innuendo laiden Estonians or possessive polynesians? or does it show that this whole idea is BS? I suspect the later

Man, I KNEW it!

thanks for the 411 - Jon
 
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