Claim: Giza Plateau: discovery of a huge city under the Pyramids

[MapperGuy]

If their method really worked as advertised it would have not only a great scientific impact but also a great military importance... if I were in Biondi et al. I would have rushed to publish all the algorithms and data asap: being the only one to know such a secret would make me really uneasy... This did not happen for what I know, so I'm not really convinced their method works at all.

Indeed. The value to this method to superpower militaries should not be underestimated. Russia, China, North Korea, Iran and others have spent vast amounts of time and resources to build underground facilities. To possess this method would be be of great value both offensively (know where to shoot) and defensively (know which of your facilities may be unmasked).

Not to mention that unlike these people, who have to buy their radar data from commercial sources, governments could use their own classified radar systems to collect data tailored to maximize the effectiveness of this method. I hope the developers have patented what can be patented and are offering their services to friendly militaries (for a fee of course).

Be careful what you invent, it may attract attention both positive and dangerous.

 

[Gary C]

One thing I did not see in the reviews or criticisms (or perhaps just didn't understand) was the effect of the pyramid's physical construction on the propagation of sound waves. In the other illustrated uses of tomography both volcanoes and mountain massifs represent fairly well understood classes of solid, semi-continuous materials compacted over geologic time scales, or settled according to well studied compaction forces and that can be sampled directly by drilling into representative exemplars. We understand their acoustic properties at relevant scales.

The pyramids are neither. They are composed of discontinuous areas of loose fill, roughly worked stone, and finely worked stone displaying a complex array of sound propagation behaviors. Did the authors at any point refer to the methodology used to account for the acoustic behavior of the actual pyramids?

Edited: left out a word

 

[MonkeeSage]

Biondi and team are now claiming to have found similar structures under the Pyramid of Menkaure. There doesn't appear to even be an informal paper this time, just a Daily Mail article, and no images from the new scans are included in the article. Not much we can analyze there, just documenting that they are now making this additional claim.

Paywalled: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...Giza-pyramids-discovery-rewrites-history.html

Archived: https://archive.ph/GTsLw

Relevant bits:

Filippo Biondi, a radar expert from University of Strathclyde in Scotland and co-author of the research, told the Daily Mail that their data shows a 90 percent probability that the Menkaure shares the same pillars as Khafre.

The team arrived at the probability 'through objective analysis of the tomography data, which, as experimental measurements, strongly indicate that the structures we identified beneath Khafre are also present under Menkaure.'

'We firmly believe that the Giza structures are interconnected, reinforcing our view that the pyramids are merely the tip of the iceberg of a colossal underground infrastructural complex,' Biondi said.

'This network likely consists of a dense system of tunnels linking the main subterranean structures.'

[...]

While the Italian researchers' findings have yet to be proven, or disproven, the team is still moving forward with their work.

Images of the pillars below Menkaure appear to be identical to those beneath Khafre, Biondi said.

'The measurements reveal pillar-like structures with consistent characteristics,' he added.

'Given that Menkaure is smaller than Khafre, we believe the number of pillars is likely even but fewer than those under Khafre.'

Those under Khafre were estimated to measure more than 2,000 feet long and feature what looked like spiral-like structures wrapping around each of the eight.

The pillars beneath Menkaure further support the team's theory that a 'megastucture' sits below the sands of the Giza plateau.

When asked about the purpose of the hidden structures, Biondi said: 'At this stage, we're still gathering information to thoroughly study the matter, but we can confidently say that the operation of this structure likely involves the natural elements: air, water, fire and earth.

'Discoveries like these under Menkaure challenge us to rethink our understanding of ancient Egyptian history and humanity's past, opening new perspectives on our origins and capabilities.'

Biondi and his team proposed that the structures were built by a lost ancient civilization around 38,000 years old.

However, archaeologists have estimated the three pyramids to be only around 4,500 years old.

The Italian researchers' timeline is based on a theory that a highly advanced prehistoric society was wiped out by a global cataclysm, possibly caused by a comet impact, around 12,800 years ago.

 

[NorCal Dave]

While the Italian researchers' findings have yet to be proven, or disproven, the team is still moving forward with their work.

Because of course now that they've thrown out a wild ass claim with no evidence, it's up to others to disprove it.

Discoveries like these under Menkaure challenge us to rethink our understanding of ancient Egyptian history and humanity's past, opening new perspectives on our origins and capabilities.'

Biondi and his team proposed that the structures were built by a lost ancient civilization around 38,000 years old.

However, archaeologists have estimated the three pyramids to be only around 4,500 years old.

The Italian researchers' timeline is based on a theory that a highly advanced prehistoric society was wiped out by a global cataclysm, possibly caused by a comet impact, around 12,800 years ago

Straight up Atlantis. Hancock has got to be talking to these guys.

 

[Kyle Ferriter]

Biondi and team are now claiming to have found similar structures under the Pyramid of Menkaure. There doesn't appear to even be an informal paper this time, just a Daily Mail article, and no images from the new scans are included in the article. Not much we can analyze there, just documenting that they are now making this additional claim.

At 1:11:10 in this recent presentation recorded by Project Unity, Filippo Biondi talks about the Menkaure scans.

At 22:40 in the presentation, Filippo Biondi begins to talk through some examples of validation they did of their methods on known tunnels. Carlin Tunnel in Nevada. The Italian A24 tunnel under Gran Sasso d'Italia mountain. The Mosul Dam in Iraq. Gotthard Tunnel in Switzerland. And the Osiris Shaft under the great pyramid. My brief interpretation is that they are detecting some real signal, of something, but that they (or maybe other online promoters who have no official affiliation with them), may be overstating the findings, especially their ability to judge the depth of a feature, and what the feature actually is (like is a hot spot on their scan a natural vein of rock? different density rock? a tunnel? something vibrating differently for some other reason?).

One thing that stands out to me is how much noise and artifacts are in their scans relative to the existing 3D mapping done through more precise methods. I think you'd struggle to match some of their scans up with the real world unless you already knew what the real world structures look like, and knew which parts you could visually ignore and which parts should be lined up with what features in the real world. If they tried using this to map something they did not already know the structure of, I'm not sure it would work so well.

For example at 28:13 he goes from showing the Mosul Dam zoomed out, to zooming in on one part where there is a set of electrical generation turbines inside the dam, and he says this scan shows that they can detect such features.

But in the zoomed-out view of the dam, there are these red regions all over the dam, not just in the location he zoomed in on. This to me again raises the question of whether they could identify where the turbines are and what shape the turbines are, if they did not already know that information.

And the Gotthard Tunnel scan. Again there are bright lines on this scan which do not to my eye (flying around on Google Earth) correspond to edges of mountains or other tunnels, so the fact that he can point to one which lines up with the actual tunnel doesn't answer what all the other stuff in the scan is. Is it noise? Veins of different density rock? If he didn't already know where the Gotthard Tunnel was and was given a series of scans of this mountain range, could he identify it? And could he identify which parts of the scan are *not* tunnels, if he knew nothing else about this mountain range and what's below it?

 

[Mendel]

This to me again raises the question of whether they could identify where the turbines are and what shape the turbines are, if they did not already know that information.

parallels to remote viewing (ESP) are obvious

 

[Ann K]

Straight up Atlantis. Hancock has got to be talking to these guys.

They're not even trying any more.

Biondi and team are now claiming to have found similar structures under the Pyramid of Menkaure.

They seem even to waffle on what to call their "structures". If they are pillars, they'd have to explain where all those surrounding masses of solid rock came from, and what the pillars are intended to support. If they are tunnels, then their spiral staircases would need to be on the inside of the shaft, not the outside.