Charlie Kirk Shooting

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On September 10, 2025, American right-wing political activist Charlie Kirk was fatally shot while onstage at Utah Valley University (UVU) in Orem, Utah.[1][2] Kirk was speaking at an open-air campus event, the first stop on a campaign planned by Turning Point USA, the conservative organization he co-founded.

Kirk's killing came amid increasingly frequent violence in American politics,[3] following the shooting of two Minnesota legislators, an arson attack on the Pennsylvania Governor's Residence in April, and assassination attempts on Donald Trump in Pennsylvania and Florida.[4]

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At approximately 12:10 p.m. MT, Kirk was shot in the neck while speaking at an American Comeback Tour event. Kirk was answering a question on the number of mass shootings committed by transgender people prior to the shooting.[11][12] He was asked "Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?" As shown in eyewitness videos, Kirk responded, "Counting or not counting gang violence?", and was then shot as the person was responding.[13][14] The shot came from approximately 200 yards (180 m) away and reportedly hit Kirk in the neck.[15]

Kirk's wife, Erika Frantzve, and their two children were in attendance.[16] Former US representative Jason Chaffetz, who was also in attendance, stated "As soon as the shot went out, everybody hit the deck and everybody started scattering and yelling and screaming".[14] Another witness told The New York Times that "no one really got down until the people in front of the stage did" and "people got down in waves."[17] An eyewitness reported to CBS News that there was "blood pouring everywhere" and that there were "no metal detectors or anything" at the venue.[18]



Article:
Shots were fired at an event for right-wing activist Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University in Orem, just north of Provo, according to a statement from the school.
Kirk was removed from the premises by his security team, the school said.
Videos circulating online appear to show Kirk recoiling after a shot was heard, with blood pouring from his neck.
A suspect is in custody, according to an alert the university sent to students.


The video posted online looks very bad, lots of blood loss.

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i saw a video someone took that got a very upclose shot of the shooting i dont think he is going to make it.
 
(WARNING: Video shows the shooting and Kirk jerking backwards, clutching his neck. It is not a close-up video, and quickly cuts away showing the reaction of the crowd)

This deliberately non-embedded URL that you will need to piece together yourself is close up, and unambiguously shows copious letting:

https://twitter.com/ jay_hardy252/status/1965857476412322227#m
 
This deliberately non-embedded URL that you will need to piece together yourself is close up, and unambiguously shows copious letting:
heres another copy of the closeup video in case of deletion as nitter-link (just allow scripts for the site itself to download the video with a rightclick if neccessary for whatever reason).

warning: extremly graphic content:

https://xcancel.com/artdyor/status/1965853739564282371
 
I don't think we should be sharing videos and discussing someone being shot and potentially killed alongside ambiguously supportive comments towards normalizing or justifying positive reactions to the incident. Or conspiracy theories about it being some set up.
 
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USA Today has useful graphic & video of the location & camera positions for various videos....
Charlie Kirk shot and killed in Utah: Maps, graphics, video show location of fatal shooting

BBC reporting on possible location of the shooter...
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Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c206zm81z4gt?post=asset:de0eb82f-23e7-4702-9e05-927b2cc337c3#post

The video at the following link does not show the moment of the shot. The frame pauses immediately before and it's audio only for that portion of the video. There is some video ofthe area prior of the shot, and a wider angle of the crowd fleeing.
Watch: Students flee after shot fired

Warning: This video contains distressing images.

Hundreds of students had gathered at the event were Charlie Kirk was shot earlier today.

He had been answering a question from a student when a single shot was fired.

In the video below, crowds are seen fleeing the scene of the incident in panic after the shooting.
Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c206zm81z4gt?post=asset:7579312b-0654-4032-93e5-5ae4ecfb5447#post
 
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This deliberately non-embedded URL that you will need to piece together yourself is close up, and unambiguously shows copious letting:

https://twitter.com/ jay_hardy252/status/1965857476412322227#m
Video appears to have been taken down.

FWIW There are at least 3 videos from various angles from relatively close so far. (For those inclined to go find them)
 
kash Patel posted at 6:21 (New York Time) a suspect in custody. (not sure if this is a different suspect then the original one but it is posted after Mendels link at 5:56 (NY time) above. https://www.metabunk.org/threads/charlie-kirk-shooting.14430/post-351647


Source: https://x.com/FBIDirectorKash/status/1965903392934633587


It appears the original suspect (older guy balding white haired guy) was released and the person in custody is a 'person of interest' they named later, but I don't think the situation is entirely clear yet.

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Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c206zm81z4gt?post=asset:de27f1db-c6ba-4182-b176-82bb967b4f8e#post
 
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Video at the link, you can hear two individuals talking about what they are seeing. One states that a person ran across the roof and then dropped prone.

Social media users claim video shows shooter on campus roofpublished at 19:47


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BBC Verify has been examining a video posted on social media, which people are claiming may show a "shooter" on the roof of a building at Utah Valley University (UVU) where Charlie Kirk was shot dead.

At a briefing this evening, law enforcement officials said that they were studying CCTV from the university and believe the suspect was "dressed in dark clothing" and that the shot "came from a roof".

One post on X says: "Just got sent this video from UVU.... it appears the shooter was on the roof" and shows a video which zooms in to a university building with what appears to be a dark shape on the roof.

We zoomed in on the image but the quality is too poor to make out what it is.

We used the features of the building shown to locate it to the Losee Center – a building at UVU which a university spokesperson is reported to have identified as the place where the shot came from.

We estimate that this was about 150 yards from where Kirk was sitting when he was shot.

The video was posted on X after the shooting. We cannot Verify when it was filmed and have asked the person who posted it for more details.

We have looked for prior versions of the footage online before today but cannot find any.
Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c206zm81z4gt?post=asset:abfc60e2-d88e-47f0-919d-6d840302de01#post
 
Snopes has sourced some of the quotes that are circulating. Its "Charlie Kirk" tag seems to have caching issues and only shows older articles. https://www.snopes.com/tag/charlie-kirk/

External Quote:
Turning Point USA CEO and co-founder Charlie Kirk once said, "I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-empathy-quote/

External Quote:
Turning Point USA CEO and co-founder Charlie Kirk said of gun deaths on April 5, 2023, "I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-gun-deaths-quote/

External Quote:
Conservative activist Charlie Kirk's final words before being fatally shot were: "Counting or not counting gang violence?"
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-last-words/ This related to the topic of transgender shooters.
 
this article is super muddled.

Article:
Who was arrested after the shooting?
Authorities arrested a man shortly after a bullet hit Kirk, Mason said during the news conference. He said that man did not match the shooting suspect but was booked on a charge of obstruction of justice.

Later Cox said a person of interest was in custody and being interviewed, and clarified that the person was not the man booked on the obstruction charge.


from same article:
Article:
At a news conference following Patel's initial announcement of an arrest, Utah Gov. Spencer Cox said that a "person of interest" was in custody and was being interviewed. Utah's Commissioner of Public Safety Beau Mason said at the same news conference that "the suspect is at large."
 
This related to the topic of transgender shooters.
well... technically it was related to non transgenders.

Article:
ATTENDEE: Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?

KIRK: Too many. [Applause]

ATTENDEE: In America, it's five. Now, five is a lot, right, I'm going to give you — I'm going to give you some credit. Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?

KIRK: Counting or not counting gang violence?
 
Earliest source I've found for the video from the BBC post I linked above.


Another video alleging to be of a peson on the roof at the shooting location.
 
It may have been someone running on the roof because he is the shooter. It may also be someone running on the roof because he heard gunfire ...the same reason that all the audience members were running. There will be lots of unfounded rumors circulating in the coming days, but I think our analysis should be based on facts instead.
 
It may have been someone running on the roof because he is the shooter. It may also be someone running on the roof because he heard gunfire ...the same reason that all the audience members were running. There will be lots of unfounded rumors circulating in the coming days, but I think our analysis should be based on facts instead.

Is there something you found to be non-factual?
 
this was a few hrs ago.. roughly 6:30pm New York TIme. my timestamps are off as i watched on ABC but im linking C-span since it doesnt have commercials throughout

basically they did have 2 separate persons of interest.
They have cctv but only description is "dark clothes".

External Quote:
Shortly after this news conference, officials confirmed that a second person taken into custody had been released.
External Quote:


1:15
beau mason, utah commision of public safety

taken by private vehicle to hospital. died shortly after

first suspect taken into custody, George Zimm, but he was released after we identified that he did not match the shooting suspect.

He has been booked for obstruction of justice.


2:48 One shot fired, one victim. while the suspect is at large we beilive it was a targeted attack.

FBI: Robert Bolz
salt lake field office responded.
support and co-lead this investigation.

4:45 University VP. speech you expect.

5:25 Utah Governor.Spencer Cox, Republican.
sheriff Mike Smith
University Police Department.
6:28 "This is a political assassination."

"we have a person of interest in custody, that is not George Zamm. that is correct."

12:37 Beau Mason, they have cctv footage "but you can imagine the quality of that". "Dark clothing. we dont have much better a dexcription than that."

"potentially from a roof, yes."

13:38Jeff Long POlice chief UVU
answers question about university security
https://www.c-span.org/program/news...-of-conservative-activist-charlie-kirk/665477
 
Assuming the person in the videos was the sniper:
Distance 430ft/130m, position about 50ft/15m higher, crowd standing very near to Kirk's tent, about 15ft/5m. Kirk sat on a chair, due to the nearby crowd the only available target was the head region, there was only a rather narrow slot between the rim of the tent and the heads of the crowd. In this scenario the shooter must have been either a professional or very experienced to take on such a task.
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Article:
No suspect was in custody late Wednesday, though authorities were searching for a new person of interest, according to a law enforcement official familiar with the matter who was not authorized to discuss the situation by name and spoke on condition of anonymity. Two people were detained earlier in the day but neither was determined to have had any connection to the shooting and both have been released, Utah public safety officials said.

AP keeps/kept updating this.
 
There is sanitised video footage which gives indications of the trajectory here - https://www.9news.com.au/world/char...hot-dead/efa66348-ea8c-43a2-ae28-7f7ca5620ab0

Information in the video above at various times:-
00:19 - 00:28 - The location of Charlie Kirk at the time of the attack.
02:15 - 02:23 - The alleged sniper perch and alleged sniper.
02:24 - 02:28 - An overall picture of the landscape (Pic below).

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The location in google at coordinates 40.2775292,-111.7140027 is here and in the image below, Charlie Kirk's position is marked in red and the shooter's alleged position in purple -

https://www.google.com/maps/place/8...try=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDkwOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==

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Assuming the person in the videos was the sniper:
Distance 430ft/130m, position about 50ft/15m higher, crowd standing very near to Kirk's tent, about 15ft/5m. Kirk sat on a chair, due to the nearby crowd the only available target was the head region, there was only a rather narrow slot between the rim of the tent and the heads of the crowd. In this scenario the shooter must have been either a professional or very experienced to take on such a task.
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Can you define "professional" in this context?

When I was younger, I hunted deer for a few years. A ~150 yd deer shot is typical and not hard. In my experience, this is a standard shot for several different hunting rifles (.223, .270, 30-06, .308, 7mm, etc) and if you can't make a shot from this distance, you aren't going to be very good at hunting.
 
I see a lot of people claiming that this video is of the shooter running away on the rooftop, but I think it actually might be a spot on the window.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09...bout-the-charlie-kirk-assassination/105761534
Does anyone know what's the earliest source of that video?

What I don't get is that the figure seems to change, depending on the video you are watching.
In this tweet, it does look like a person stumbling while running

Source: https://x.com/TAGnBAMA/status/1965976639109738875

While here, it looks like a messy blob, matching the movement of the window frame, which would suggest it's a piece of dirt on the window itself

Source: https://x.com/CrisisTrackNow/status/1965910417475293690


I would love to do some motion tracking on the figure, but I just can't find the original video
 
I see a lot of people claiming that this video is of the shooter running away on the rooftop, but I think it actually might be a spot on the window.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09...bout-the-charlie-kirk-assassination/105761534
Does anyone know what's the earliest source of that video?

What I don't get is that the figure seems to change, depending on the video you are watching.
In this tweet, it does look like a person stumbling while running

Source: https://x.com/TAGnBAMA/status/1965976639109738875

While here, it looks like a messy blob, matching the movement of the window frame, which would suggest it's a piece of dirt on the window itself

Source: https://x.com/CrisisTrackNow/status/1965910417475293690


I would love to do some motion tracking on the figure, but I just can't find the original video

I've seen both videos, it definitely looks like a person running on the roof. Versus parallax caused by something on the window. The person with the camera is turning in place. They don't appear to be walking. So, it seems like the panning of a camera while one is standing in place, would cause minimal parallax. But distances and sizes and all that stuff matters, which we have little info of.

There's also the video @Greene posted of the guy from a completely different angle saying he saw someone on the same roof run across and then go prone.
 
02:24 - 02:28 - An overall picture of the landscape (Pic below).
The distance of 182 m in the image is wrong, also the 60 m in the text. It's about 130 m.
The only logical position to have free view is not somewhere on that roof, but at the corner. That video in #23 could be him at that spot.
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Can you define "professional" in this context?
I have to admit that I don't know anything about shooting. I assumed that at that distance you have to be good for a one shot kill like that, also taking into account that this is a high tension situation for the shooter.
 
The only logical position to have free view is not somewhere on that roof, but at the corner.
I agree that the white corner of the building about half way between those two points appears to be annoyingly in the way (at least from a google eye view). If the news service is inaccurate on distance as you've pointed out, they may be inaccurate on position as well. Maybe they had to rush the images out.

Anyway, I hope the images at least create a decent starting point as further evidence is released.
 
I have to admit that I don't know anything about shooting. I assumed that at that distance you have to be good for a one shot kill like that, also taking into account that this is a high tension situation for the shooter.
I can't speak to the situational stress that a psycho assassin experiences, but as far as the mechanics of the shot itself, this is very typical. Unless it was a very windy day, which I don't think it was. My dad and I always sited our guns in at 100 yds, just because it's a good nominal, average number. 140 yds is a typical shot with a hunting rifle. Granted, we don't know what gun was used.
 
Assuming the person in the videos was the sniper:
Distance 430ft/130m, position about 50ft/15m higher, crowd standing very near to Kirk's tent, about 15ft/5m. Kirk sat on a chair, due to the nearby crowd the only available target was the head region, there was only a rather narrow slot between the rim of the tent and the heads of the crowd. In this scenario the shooter must have been either a professional or very experienced to take on such a task.
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130m isn't a hard shot with a decent rifle and a stable position. 1-2 moa is a good rifle. 3-5 moa is your standard AR platform. Its common for me to hear of hunting rifles and hand loads getting a group less than 1 moa.
5 moa at 150 yards would yield a group of 7.5 inches.

From the angles I saw, it looked like Kirk was sitting a bit higher than the crowd. I hesitate to rewatch the video to confirm.

He is fully visible from the further away video. That one, the camera man is 1 or 2 stories high I think. Maybe he would be blocked by the canopy at higher angles but I'm unsure.
 
So here is a quick motion track I did using the Tanner Maxwell video I downloaded from Twitter (sadly couldn't find it in better quality, or the original upload), and while the shape is ANNOYINGLY close to being a blob on the window, the changing sillhouette seems to fit more with a moving object on the roof.

For my window blob theory, the object seems to keep the distance from the window frame, with some shake you could attribute to the phone's stabilization. But that's about it.


The news got the video in better quality, where the sillhouete is much more pronounced and human looking, but they did an ass job making it stabilized, which is why I did my own little track.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/10/us/charlie-kirk-shooting-video-roof.html

The best course of action for the blob theory would be for someone to go that exact spot and to check the window for that dirtmark. I would appreciate the help if anyone is available at the location.
 
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