Australia's Unprecedented Fire Season 2019/2020

Mick West

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https://myfirewatch.landgate.wa.gov.au/

The red icons above are fires that are less than 12 hours old. While Indonesia is certainly having problems, the larger fires seem to be in Australia:
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Mostly on the East coast between Sydney and Brisbane.
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Sydney is wreathed in orange smoke.
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(Source: Angela Dapper)

Surprisingly, I've not noticed any conspiracy theories (other than regular government incompetence, corruption, and cover-up). But I'm sure it's just a matter of time.
 

dc_hatman

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https://myfirewatch.landgate.wa.gov.au/

The red icons above are fires that are less than 12 hours old. While Indonesia is certainly having problems, the larger fires seem to be in Australia:
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Mostly on the East coast between Sydney and Brisbane.
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Sydney is wreathed in orange smoke.
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(Source: Angela Dapper)

Surprisingly, I've not noticed any conspiracy theories (other than regular government incompetence, corruption, and cover-up). But I'm sure it's just a matter of time.

Yesterday (Tuesday 12th November) the New South Wales Government listed the fire danger as “catastrophic”, which is the first time that danger earning has been used.
Although not exactly a conspiracy theory, there right wing folks on the radio have been blaming the “greenies” (environmentalists) for this by saying they they blocked local council's from taking preventative measures by not allowing hazard reduction burning during the winter, and this combined with the drought that we are currently under in Eastern Australia means there is a huge amount of highly combustible extraneous dry undergrowth. I guess they are technically correct about that, although the Greenies are hardly responsible for the drought and the extreme heat we had yesterday.
 

derwoodii

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Im keeping an eye for the expected CT theory's to pop up or the claims that these fires have been started on purpose by various sub sets of marginalizes groups eg directed by ISS, Greens, Climate change extinction..
 

deirdre

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what is "Australia fire season"? June to May?
why is this year 'unprecedented'? is it because the locations of fire are more 'popular/populated'? or are there actually more fires than other years.
 

dc_hatman

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what is "Australia fire season"? June to May?
why is this year 'unprecedented'? is it because the locations of fire are more 'popular/populated'? or are there actually more fires than other years.

Australia Fire Season is usually late spring to Early Autumn, November to February. However Australia has had an extreme drought for the past few year s meaning there is a huge amount of dry combustible materials lying around. This is combined with the fact that we had an unseasonably hot and windy day yesterday, all adding up to a perfect day for fires to start and spread. The lack of water due to the drought also made it a lot harder for the Fire Service to fight the fires.

At one stage yesterday there were about 80 fires burning across New South Wales. The fires start usually in unpolished areas but travel quickly and can suddenly engulf an entire town This all stretched the resources of the Rural Fire Services who are mostly volunteers. The fires traveled quickly due to the high winds, destroying homes. Around 20 people were injured but thankfully nobody died yesterday.
 

derwoodii

Senior Member.
what is "Australia fire season"? June to May?
why is this year 'unprecedented'? is it because the locations of fire are more 'popular/populated'? or are there actually more fires than other years.


It more complex as Australia large mass and variation in weather and climate.. In the northern parts fire season is August to December then monsoon should start.. In middle where current fires are its October to January in the southern parts its December to March with variable within these ranges.. What OZ is experiencing is AGW anthropogenic global warming input driven fires of greater number with higher intensity over longer season duration start and finish in all parts..but our current government cant say climate change sad but i guess not as sad as suggesting CT DEW weapons or magic whoo..

sums it up with humor & pathos
https://www.facebook.com/thefeedsbsviceland/videos/2482728975338842/

comedy skit OZ Government responds to bushfires
 

Dingo

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Queenslander dingo here, can confirm that there's not much in the way of conspiracy ramblings save for the anti-Greens narrative. There was a statement from Barnaby Joyce (an MP) about how the Greens were to blame, usual political bull.

On the side of reality we have this news story : https://www.news.com.au/technology/...s/news-story/c06b3e6f9bc7429128d03bdf18a40486

The real reason for limited hazard burns is a narrow window to carry them out safely due to dry conditions.
 

Leifer

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If there is a pattern at all, it seems there is a natural pattern from all areas of the globe, where a dry season is followed by a wet season. Fires burn, then rain puts them out. This seems to be nature's way of managing itself.....a method of destruction that helps bring new life.....and well before humans were established in numbers.
Add the sudden industrial human element, and fires become more likely, and the natural process is disrupted.
 

derwoodii

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some more info to help as i had thought 3 zones when in fact its 5 as i had neglected deeper south tassy & my western Oz brethren




http://www.bom.gov.au/weather-services/fire-weather-centre/bushfire-weather/index.shtml


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Climate change and bushfire risk in Australia
Climate change is influencing the frequency and severity of dangerous bushfire conditions in Australia and other regions of the world, including through influencing temperature, environmental moisture, weather patterns and fuel conditions. There have been significant changes observed in recent decades towards more dangerous bushfire weather conditions for various regions of Australia.

In particular, observed changes in southern and eastern Australia include more extreme conditions during summer, as well as an earlier start to the bushfire season with dangerous weather conditions occurring significantly earlier in spring than they used to


Surprisingly, I've not noticed any conspiracy theories (other than regular government incompetence, corruption, and cover-up). But I'm sure it's just a matter of time.

still not seen claims regards CT inputs but to be fair i dont go looking too hard for these, a quick search finds typical comments on youtube new files

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7asijrT0Qc





redpillbill
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Agenda 21 , (DEW) Direct Energy Weaponary, Agenda 21 , read it and Wake Up
 

dc_hatman

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Queenslander dingo here, can confirm that there's not much in the way of conspiracy ramblings save for the anti-Greens narrative. There was a statement from Barnaby Joyce (an MP) about how the Greens were to blame, usual political bull.

On the side of reality we have this news story : https://www.news.com.au/technology/...s/news-story/c06b3e6f9bc7429128d03bdf18a40486

The real reason for limited hazard burns is a narrow window to carry them out safely due to dry conditions.


Barnaby Joyce also implied that those who were killed were to blame for their own deaths by saying they “most likely voted Greens”, a most insensitive thing to say
https://www.google.com.au/amp/amp.abc.net.au/article/11696654
 

derwoodii

Senior Member.
just to be fair: (video of interview included in link)

Sidney Morning Herald
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...most-likely-voted-for-the-greens-20191112-p53


hi ya Deirdre the link seem to be diverting to another page??

lets see if this works
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...ely-voted-for-the-greens-20191112-p539v1.html
 

Dingo

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If there is a pattern at all, it seems there is a natural pattern from all areas of the globe, where a dry season is followed by a wet season. Fires burn, then rain puts them out. This seems to be nature's way of managing itself.....a method of destruction that helps bring new life.....and well before humans were established in numbers.
Add the sudden industrial human element, and fires become more likely, and the natural process is disrupted.

Well Australian flora are literally evolved to burn. Eucalyptus are highly flammable because it's a crucial part of their life cycle. A bushfire comes through fuelled by flammable eucalyptus leaves and destroys all the underbrush, but the core of the eucalypts is still alive and will regrow. And more importantly the ground is free of clutter and competition and new trees will start growing.

Fire is such an essential part of the eucalyptus life cycle that their seeds won't germinate unless they're exposed to smoke.
 

dc_hatman

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Former Wallabies representative Israel Folau, who was sacked from the Australian Rugby Union team this year for posting homophobic comments on his Instagram account, has now claimed the bushfires were punishment by God for legalizing same sex marriage and abortion in Australia during a sermon he was giving in his church.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...ex-marriage-and-abortion-20191117-p53bf4.html
 
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deirdre

Senior Member.
homophobic comments

:) he sounds more humanphobic (from your link)
 

dc_hatman

Member
:) he sounds more humanphobic (from your link)
True

As John Laws (a talkback radio host) said at the time, “oops. There goes me and all of my friends”.
 

derwoodii

Senior Member.
This guardian article addresses the claim, what i cannot determine is Australian fire seasons continuing extend over the past 60 years eg they start early and finish later due to AGW climate inputs. The map of winter fire 2019 vs 1950 help illustrate but not conclusive


Australia bushfires factcheck: are this year's fires unprecedented?
Conservative commentators have pointed to a long history of bushfires to suggest there is nothing unusual about this season. Experts disagree

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-factcheck-are-this-years-fires-unprecedented

Australia has suffered a devastating early bushfire season with fires across several states burning through hundreds of thousands of hectares and destroying hundreds of properties with the loss of six lives.



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derwoodii

Senior Member.
Well its 2020 and Australian fires still going & multiplying over OZ states.. People are venting anger at our AGW denying government and crisis Hawaii holidaying PM. Ive not seen any if at all CT claims of DEW weapons etc, it more so push back to Murdoch media shill climate deniers who unsurprising have gone quiet ATM as up to 5+ or more lives lost with hundred of homes burnt..

Australia fires: father and son killed in Cobargo bushfire named as Robert and Patrick Salway – latest updates

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...wales-victoria-fires-news-latest-live-updates


theses picture are from days past and dramatic

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Here are some amazing images shot by our Publisher Ned who was in East Gippsland shooting for DELWP to document this day of catastrophic fire conditions. Images showing crews on the ground and the airborne effort shows the conditions these men and women encountered yesterday. All the images showing houses or structures are only posted as these were saved - we dont post images of destroyed structures out of respect for the owners. Some great saves by everyone out there on the fireground last night. First couple of images were shot near Gelantity, next ones shot in the Ensay Valley area and then down around Sarsfield and Clifton Creek​

more photos in this thread https://www.facebook.com/pg/airattackmag/photos/?tab=album&album_id=2427951470754897&__tn__=-UC-R
 
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CeruleanBlu

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Surprisingly, I've not noticed any conspiracy theories (other than regular government incompetence, corruption, and cover-up). But I'm sure it's just a matter of time.

Today was my first occurrence of seeing one of the other types of conspiracies related to the current fires raging in Australia, based on a reddit post I clicked and looked into a bit more. The photo comes from a New York Times article with a few photos of the destruction, including one showing a fire scorched Subaru with what appears to be melted aluminum components such as the wheels and hood.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/01/world/australia/fires.html



There are a few meme style 9/11 jet fuel steel beam comments, and the inevitable discussions about the melting points of various metals, but the bunk begins with a few comments below, some "just asking questions" and others straight out claiming other various reasons other than typical bush fires.


https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/ej04lo/a_car_in_australia_whose_aluminum_rims_have_melted/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/ej04lo/a_car_in_australia_whose_aluminum_rims_have_melted/

The "Other Discussions" tab shows this photo has been posted to at least 12 different subreddits, as it's becoming popular, so it will be interesting to see where the other discussions go.
 

krisoft

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Today was my first occurrence of seeing one of the other types of conspiracies related to the current fires raging in Australia, based on a reddit post I clicked and looked into a bit more. The photo comes from a New York Times article with a few photos of the destruction, including one showing a fire scorched Subaru with what appears to be melted aluminum components such as the wheels and hood.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/01/world/australia/fires.html



There are a few meme style 9/11 jet fuel steel beam comments, and the inevitable discussions about the melting points of various metals, but the bunk begins with a few comments below, some "just asking questions" and others straight out claiming other various reasons other than typical bush fires.


https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/ej04lo/a_car_in_australia_whose_aluminum_rims_have_melted/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/ej04lo/a_car_in_australia_whose_aluminum_rims_have_melted/

The "Other Discussions" tab shows this photo has been posted to at least 12 different subreddits, as it's becoming popular, so it will be interesting to see where the other discussions go.

or ... part of that Subaru car elements was made from tin which melts easily.
 
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derwoodii

Senior Member.
there has been some disinfo spreading regards the cause of these fires in the form of claims from the usual suspect CT feeds of 200 + arsonist arrested.. They seem generally trying to hose down the fires connection to AGW and align it to terrorism false flag by green left groups

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https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2020/01/its-not-arson-you-absolute-morons/
Yet over the past week, a counter-narrative has emerged that no, it’s not climate change. It’s arsonists and nefarious green groups who have pushed to stop back burns and controlled fires that reduce fire risk. While 183 arrests have been made in connection with fires, only 24 people have actually been charged with arson


These numbers best i can check are 24 arrested in NSW state however the crimes are not arson so much as carelessness eg starting a BBQ a camp fires or burning off on restricted days and many have been pinged for minor non compliance to local laws dropping cigarettes butts or failing to mow long grass / lawns eg local order..


Still the main culprits to setting forest fires on OZ sadly seems to be rogue fire man volunteers.


An RFS volunteer has been charged after he allegedly lit seven fires on the NSW South Coast, including one on Tuesday, which he returned to fight as part of his duties as a volunteer firefighter.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...seven-fires-deliberately-20191127-p53ejo.html


Blake William Banner, 19, was arrested on Tuesday evening in connection with seven fires in the Bega Valley area between October 17 and November 26. All are believed to have been deliberately lit


another fireman fire bug caught in Queenland this year


https://www.9news.com.au/national/q...ushfires/ad5442eb-6800-4a84-b6da-24bc2ec5cb00
 
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derwoodii

Senior Member.
thankfully it seems the OZ summer monsoon lows are now propagating rain events over the eastern state fire zones,,, its early call but we may be on our way to see end of these awful fires..

I found a few long reach or unsubstantiated conspiracy claims related to these flames mostly silly some strange

They are set to clear forest to allow new train line?? yet there already is a cleared train corridor
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The fires are being set to kill koalas ?? French island is out my window i can say this is a very unlikely claim

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Fire bug arsonist greens for what gain or cause is unclear

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the best picture is forecasted lows / rain over eastern states
http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/charts/4day_col.shtml

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Leifer

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Large fires of this sort (like California) usually stop because they run out of fuel at some point, and/or the weather changes.
Firefighting emergency duties are mostly for structure and life protection......and eventually try to divert fires to pre-burned or low fuel areas.

The 1991 Oakland, CA fire too, was largely fueled by Eucalyptus and Acacia trees, an exotic family of trees, which carry large amounts of combust-able oils in the leaves (and accumulated leaf-drop). Both are natives of southeast Australia, and they grow well here in California, Portugal, and India. They are often ornamental trees, but some places have begun to ban them from fresh cultivation.
Eucalyptus trees were planted en-masse in CA (late 1800's), in the disappointed hopes they could be used for railroad ties....because they grew so quickly, but were prone to cracking when used as ties.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEN_GU6HCBY


(older video of the Oakland firestorm......)
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NseOhUqZAh0
 
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Leifer

Senior Member.
What baffles me about these overly complicated "laser DEW theories", is that the conspiracy theorists fail to realize the same effect can be created with a 10-cent book of matches, or a $5 roadside flare.
 
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derwoodii

Senior Member.
the view from inside concrete walled steel roofed house as recent OZ fire passed by is intense.. After the radiant heat the embers are the greater danger to structure even this dwelling burnt down soon after as they got into roof cavity
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQAHupUy9w8



oh to be expected some cursing

Occurred on January 3, 2020 / Kangaroo Island, South Australia, Australia "A bushfire engulfing house on a farm on Kangaroo Island with people inside and the escape. Ben Davis, owner of the house and farm, his brother, Brenton Davis, of Kangaroo Island Outdoor
 
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Leifer

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Debunked: Map is a satellite image
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Source: https://youtu.be/oWkl4ai1pf0?t=304
 
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