Strange object captured over Malvern Hills, Western England - Reddit

They also don't appear to note how it travels on a curving path.
Right. They show how a straight line can be curved by a rolling shutter. Not how a wobbling arrow can show up as a mostly straight arrow.

Also, we're looking for zebras instead of horses. How likely is it that some guy will randomly capture an arrow passing a few feet over his head versus an insect or a plant part? C'mon.
 
There are two types of oscillation involved:

https://www.bow-international.com/features/dynamic-behaviour-of-arrows/#:~:text=That is, the fletching is,with its direction of travel.
... the fletching is used to minimize oscillation in pitch and yaw (or in archery terms, to minimize porpoising and fishtailing).

Seems that would be a complicated motion. Would the shape of the arrow be so consistent across the entire frame? Even as the oscillation was changing?

Also, I've found lots of examples of straight shapes - in motion - that are distorted into curved shapes. But I can't find any image of a curved shape distorted into a (mostly) straight shape.

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This was caused by a true rolling shutter on a film camera rather than a "rolling shutter" on a digital camera.
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But... the rolling shutter really = the exposure timing pattern. Not the physical shutter.

A old fashioned cloth curtain focal-plane shutter at high speeds creates a rolling shutter exposure.

A visual example. This is an old focal plane shutter with a horizontal timing pattern.



You can see how the bottom of the tires was exposed first and the top afterward. The top of the tires had moved on by that time.
 
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The superposition that Mick posted in post #5 completely rules out an arrow, because it requires that the tip of the arrow and the tail of the arrow move on parallel paths that never cross.
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I wonder if it (grass, pine needle, seed) was launched into the air stuck to the frizbee with some dog saliva and had some elevation and momentum imparted to it.

Is there some equation that will determine at what distances a small object can be resolved with a camera based on point of focus, size of object and distance from camera (for some given camera and lens)? Perhaps it fell of the disk but was too small to resolve, then drifted in the wind until it came close enough to resolve even though it was out of focus.

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Posting this has been on the back of my mind for a long time (obviously, since the thread has been dead for almost 10 months).

Carlo, a friend of mine, developed a tool for calculating the speed of vehicles from videos using the cross-ratio equation and a known dimension on the vehicle as reference (usually, vehicle length or wheelbase - axle spacing). The tool is available on his GitHub, only available in Brazilian Portuguese, at https://github.com/demusis/fotogrametria

When this thread first popped up, so about a year ago, we had been discussing this tool, and I showed him the thread. At the time, he was creating material for a short course where he would teach other forensic professionals about photogrammetry, including how to use the tool he had developed and he actually included this thread as an example in the course just for fun.

Our object here seems to be rotating, so it fails one of the assumptions for cross-ratio, but it does so for a very small angle, so we just take that into consideration, meaning our error bars are increased.

At the time, since I was still learning the tool, I didn't feel very comfortable discussing it here. But now I have used it several times, so I have no excuse to keep procrastinating this (and do this to procrastinate other stuff I have to do, instead).

So, the tool requires knowledge of the framerate of the video and a known dimension.
In a post on this thread, @Mick West said it looks like 8x slow-mo, or 240 fps.
The length of a blade of grass is very much variable, so we can run the test for 10 cm and 15 cm.

I'm not going to get into the nittygritty of it, but the tool allows us to load the video into it, select two frames, create a composite that overlays the two frames with the chosen object visible in both positions, correct camera distortion if needed, apply one of several image filters if needed. And then comes the actual estimation part.

We choose two points on the moving object for which we know the distance - say the wheels on a car -, and we just click the composite image on their locations, one at a time "A, B, C, D" ("C" is point "A" after it moved, same for D and B) and we do that a dozen or a couple dozen times to create an estimate of the actual position of these points in the image. Then the tool does a Monte Carlo simulation to calculate a probability distribution of the distance that the object travelled between the two frames, and of the speed, by dividing the distance by the time between frames, and it also calculates a confidence interval (usually a 95% CI, but in forensics a 99% CI is common).

Doing this to our video, using two frames that are 10 frames apart, and running the calculations for 10 cm, we get an estimated speed of 42.5 km/h (39.7 --- 45.8, 95% CI), which is 26.4mph.
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And doing the same for 15 cm, the result is 63.9 km/h (59.6 --- 68.8, 95% CI) which is nearly 40mph.
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Assuming I used the correct frame rate, if wind speeds are 10-15 mph (16-24 km/h) with gusts over 20 mph (>32km/h), since anything carried by the wind wouldn't be moving faster than the wind itself (this isn't the funny sailbike from Veritasium), so it's unlikely to be anything much larger than 10 cm.

So it could be a small blade of grass, around 10 cm, traveling at ~26 mph at a gusty moment when wind speeds are slightly above that. Or a smaller piece, more likely.

I hope this makes sense.
 
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