Mendel
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The Bombing of the Shajareh Tayyebeh Girls School in Minab, Iran
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NoParty
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You left out the part that I always remember the most:
"In January 1992, it was revealed that Nayirah had never been a nurse and that she was the daughter of Saud Nasser Al-Saud Al-Sabah,
the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States at the time the testimony was made."
ETA: So, for those of you too young to remember: Kuwait wanted Iraqi thug Saddam Hussein chased out of their country. A reasonable desire.
But the Nayirah performance was a despicable lie designed to inflame people and demand war against Hussein.
The Bush Administration--filled with lots of people who had looked for an excuse for years, to kill Hussein--used the lie to justify military action. (Like Trump, Bush was mostly apolitical: no real deeply held political beliefs, which is why Cheney, the neocon hawk, was there to "help' Bush, similar to how Heritage used Trump [pro choice most of his life] to achieve many of their political goals...)
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deirdre
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It's amazing how every single example on Metabunk of America doing something wrong or a media company doing something "bad" is ALWAYS a right leaning example. lol.
if it looks like a propaganda site, and it smells like a propaganda site... it might just BE a propaganda site.
if it looks like a propaganda site, and it smells like a propaganda site... it might just BE a propaganda site.
Giddierone
Senior Member.
That three adjacent buildings were hit in their exact centre, as well as the school, seems conclusive that the US is responsible. Get ready to hear more of that "human shields" bullshit.
https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/06/...ests-us-responsible-iran-school-strike-digvid
https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/06/...ests-us-responsible-iran-school-strike-digvid
NoParty
Senior Member.
Yeah, I think the coming days will bring more clarity about the individual buildings.
But the precision + Israel saying they know nothing + Hegseth, Rubio, Leavitt etc., saying exactly what you would say,
if you knew your side did it, but you wanted to sow confusion, choosing words very carefully, to make it seem like you
were denying it, but that you could later claim was kind of technically not a straight-on lie... = We did it.
Okay, Ima try to stay just on the school bombing...
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Mendel
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I'd say they used it to sway popular opinion.
Justification was Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. The way I heard it, Saddam Hussein had used diplomatic channels to gauge the US response beforehand, but what happened afterwards was not what had been indicated.
There's a long list of civilians targetted by the USA. There is no "clean" war.
https://theintercept.com/2015/10/07/a-short-history-of-u-s-bombing-of-civilian-facilities/
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They had targeting packages so accurate that the leader of Iran (Ali Kahmeni) was assassinated in the first wave of bombings. They knew where he'd be and when he'd be there.
Those same targeting packages identified a girl's school (which had been such for at least 2 years) as a legitimate target?
It's "Heck yeah! Technology FTW" on the first count and "oops" on the second count?
Willfully negligent homicide is the starting point for charges.
Those same targeting packages identified a girl's school (which had been such for at least 2 years) as a legitimate target?
It's "Heck yeah! Technology FTW" on the first count and "oops" on the second count?
Willfully negligent homicide is the starting point for charges.
NoParty
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Another really bullshit technique of this deceitful administration, which still--unbelievably--claims to be ultra-transparent, 
is this well-worn trick of (when they do not want to admit what's going on) telling the press that another government
entity is better suited to answer the question. But, of course, the second entity also has no intention of answering.
Faux transparency. Heres an example, from today, re. Shajareh Tayyebeh:
"When Futurism reached out to the Pentagon regarding the use of AI in recent military operations — specifically the targeting of the Shajareh Tayyebeh girls' school — we were referred to US CENTCOM, one of eleven unified commands under the Pentagon's umbrella. CENTCOM didn't provide any further information."
https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/pentagon-ai-claude-bombing-elementary-school
is this well-worn trick of (when they do not want to admit what's going on) telling the press that another government
entity is better suited to answer the question. But, of course, the second entity also has no intention of answering.
Faux transparency. Heres an example, from today, re. Shajareh Tayyebeh:
"When Futurism reached out to the Pentagon regarding the use of AI in recent military operations — specifically the targeting of the Shajareh Tayyebeh girls' school — we were referred to US CENTCOM, one of eleven unified commands under the Pentagon's umbrella. CENTCOM didn't provide any further information."
https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/pentagon-ai-claude-bombing-elementary-school
John J.
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(Admittedly off topic, but) Nayriha's account was well-publicized and was no doubt influential in shaping some perceptions, but the main justification for military action against Iraq at that time was its invasion of Kuwait. Hussein didn't do himself any favours by taking hundreds of Westerners (and other non-Iraqi residents of Kuwait) hostage in the process.
After approximately four days of concerted ground combat, Kuwait was liberated, coalition (mainly US) forces were very much in the ascendency, with far fewer casualties than some had anticipated- and George Bush declared a de facto ceasefire, so killing Saddam Hussein probably wasn't the primary rationale for US involvement.
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NoParty
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Middle East Eye, (a source I had not heard of before, but rated "MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY"
says that evidence indicates this was a "double tap" incident, wherein a target is initially bombed, and then shortly
thereafter, once first responders, family, etc., arrive to address the carnage & help the wounded,
a second bomb arrives, designed to kill them. (Same technique that got people angry with Hegseth after the Venezuela boat bombings)
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-iranian-girls-killed-double-tap-strikes-minab-school
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/middle-east-eye/
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/12/16/hegseth-wont-release-boat-strike-video-00693041
says that evidence indicates this was a "double tap" incident, wherein a target is initially bombed, and then shortly
thereafter, once first responders, family, etc., arrive to address the carnage & help the wounded,
a second bomb arrives, designed to kill them. (Same technique that got people angry with Hegseth after the Venezuela boat bombings)
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-iranian-girls-killed-double-tap-strikes-minab-school
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/middle-east-eye/
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/12/16/hegseth-wont-release-boat-strike-video-00693041
Ann K
Senior Member.
Explain to whom? Congress? In a democracy, at least in OUR democracy, our government would not have gone to war without a vote of Congress. Unfortunately we seem to be in our post-democracy phase right now, and have carelessly left the keys to the car in the possession of an eight year old with anger issues.
NoParty
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Remember how many times we were given stern warnings about the "Elite Republican Guard"...and what nonsense it all turned out to be?
Anyway, I appreciate the note, but I'm gonna try to keep myself on Shajareh Tayyebeh...
NoParty
Senior Member.
I'd give anything if we could get that dope's intelligence, psychology & maturity up to the level of the average eight year-old.
deirdre
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i was wondering how long it would take you to find that article. Thank you for providing links but you also have to provide quotes (and quoting one word doesnt cut it)
Article: The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States. The resolution was passed by two-thirds each of the House and Senate, overriding the veto of President Richard Nixon.
It has been alleged that the War Powers Resolution has been violated in the past. However, Congress has disapproved all such incidents, and no allegations have resulted in successful legal actions taken against a president.[2]
Gary C
Senior Member.
More likely this was a secondary target. Aircraft not able to strike their primary targets due to visibility or operational constraints would have this IRGC compound programed into their nav systems to hit if the pilots still had adequate fuel and unexpended ordinance.
NoParty
Senior Member.
You might be right. I'm fine with saying I don't know.
But that assessment seems incongruent (to my inexpert eye) with the expert opinions we've read from the PBS, CBS,
New York Times, and Middle East Eye investigations. Just now, add CNN to the list:
Analysis suggests US was responsible for deadly strike on Iranian elementary school
https://www.cnn.com/2026/03/06/middleeast/iran-minab-elementary-school-investigation-us-strike-intl
Gary C
Senior Member.
Someone did not do their homework: Joint Publication 3-60, Joint Targeting, pg III-1
Warning; May cause drowsiness - https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading Room/Joint_Staff/21-F-0520_JP_3-60_9-28-2018.pdfExternal Quote:
NoParty
Senior Member.
Well, yes. If it's true, that the bomb site has been used as a civilian school for at least a decade,
it seems inexcusable to try to claim you couldn't have known.
"The findings reveal that the school had been clearly separate from an adjacent military site for at least 10 years."
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/3/questions-over-minab-girls-school-strike-as-israel-us-deny-involvement#:~:text=Some websites and social media,for at least 10 years.
John J.
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If the school was believed to be a military target, an attacker might well have used more than one munition.
Unpalatable though it may seem, striking a target again is not a forbidden tactic: Some locations might have bunkers underneath; military airfield repair crews are combatants and an enemy would want to disrupt repairs (obviously not relevant to the school). An attacker might simply want to maximise damage to reduce the amount of materiel that can be retrieved or to maximise military casualties.
The scenario apparently described by Middle Eastern Eye-
- is dependent on the assumption that a civilian location was intentionally hit (in the knowledge that it was a civilian location), and then a second munition was used with the deliberate intention of killing more civilians ("family").External Quote:
I think this is profoundly unlikely, although it might be believed by some with strongly anti-US or anti-Israeli sentiments.
Unless there is reliable evidence for a deliberate plan to murder schoolgirls and their would-be rescuers, I think a more likely default theory would be that the Shajareh-Tayyebeh school was targeted, and struck, in the belief that it was a military target.
Again; the distinction will be of little comfort to bereaved parents and those injured. The attack was horrific and wholly unjustifiable.
NoParty
Senior Member.
Stunning: Two "independent" supposed public servants, both try to dodge serious war questions,
with the attempted red herring that trying to get serious answers is actually trying "...to make the president look bad."
Verbatim. Unbelievable. Unprofessional Childish.
(Maybe ask why facts so often make this man look so bad)
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...rnments-reluctance-to-show-human-costs-of-war
with the attempted red herring that trying to get serious answers is actually trying "...to make the president look bad."
Verbatim. Unbelievable. Unprofessional Childish.
(Maybe ask why facts so often make this man look so bad)
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...rnments-reluctance-to-show-human-costs-of-war
deirdre
Senior Member
well thats all you ever do, so why is it so surprising to hear the media engages in that behavior as well?
Giddierone
Senior Member.
Trump denying any US involvement saying Iran bombed their own children — offers no evidence.
Source: https://youtu.be/DPzjSIhbBCs?si=ntvevb_wn-c7auol&t=62
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Source: https://youtu.be/DPzjSIhbBCs?si=ntvevb_wn-c7auol&t=62
NoParty
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Yeah, saw that.
Even though the press generally reported it as Trump & Hegseth saying essentially the same thing, they really didn't:
Trump, as is 100% usual for him, simply said what he thought was best for Trump, with zero regard for truth.
It's childish & despicable, but also predictable: He's been allowed to get away with it his whole life, so why wouldn't he?
Hegseth, however, has been deep in this for a week. He's almost certainly known what happened that whole time,
and is also aware that all of the serious investigations say it was probably us...and eventually, everyone will know that.
He has been trying all this time to stall, say as little as possible, trying to sound
as if he's saying that we didn't do it,but actually sticking to the same tortured legalese that Rubio & Leavitt have been trying to hide behind.
So whereas Trump's language was just straightforward, blunt (and almost certainly untrue) Hegseth
referred again to the familiar stall: "We're certainly investigating,"
which it looks like he's going to stick to, as longas he can get away with it. But, even more telling, he does not parrot Trump's bull-in-a-china-shop unqualified bullshit:
no, he again hides behind: "The only side that targets civilians is Iran." The goal is obviously to fool Americans
listening into thinking that he's saying that US forces did not bomb that school, when he's actually making a
general statement, asserting that US policy is not to deliberately bomb a school...which he hopes will deceive those
not paying careful attention, but also provide him some deniability when the chickens come home to roost.
You can already picture Hegseth telling an angry panel:
"Hey, I didn't actually say we didn't do it...I just said it's not our policy to intentionally bomb schools...
(in a way designed to make it sound like I was saying we didn't do it.")
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Giddierone
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Yeah, I didn't include Hegseth's remarks because what he said is worthless, and the buck stops with the President, who is incapable of taking responsibility.Yeah, saw that.
Even though the press generally reported it as Trump & Hegseth saying essentially the same thing, they really didn't:
Trump, as is 100% usual for him, simply said what he thought was best for Trump. It's childish and despicable,
but he's gotten away with it his whole life, so why wouldn't he?
Hegseth, however, has been deep in this for a week. He almost certainly knows what happened,
and is also aware that all of the serious investigations say it was probably us...and eventually, everyone will know that. He has been
trying all this time to stall, say as little as possible, trying to sound
but actually sticking to the same tortured legalese that Rubio & Leavitt have been trying to hide behind.
So whearas Trump's language was just straightforward, blunt (and almost certainly untrue) Hegseth
referred again to the familiar stall: "We're certainly investigating,"
as he can get away with it. But, even more telling, he does not parrot Trump's bull-in-a-china-shop unqualified bullshit:
no, he again hides behind: "The only side that targets civilians is Iran." The goal is obviously to fool Americans
listening into thinking that he's saying that US forces did not bomb that school, when he's actually making a
general statement, asserting that US policy is not to deliberately bomb a school...which he hopes will deceive those
not paying careful attention, but also provide him some deniability when the chickens come home to roost.
You can already picture Hegseth telling an angry panel:
"Hey, I didn't actually say we didn't do it...I just said it's not our policy to intentionally bomb schools...
(in a way designed to make it sound like I was saying we didn't do it.")
The goal is obviously
NoParty
Senior Member.
I don't know: I can see Hegseth eventually following Noem out the door, for the cover up. Trump has been essentially teflon don...
Gary C
Senior Member.
@NoParty - Rewatch Hegseth's attemp at a self-congratulatory PR event at what was supposed to be a press briefing on the results of the June 2025 attacks on the Iranian nuclear program. When a reporter asks how we can know how much damage was done and how confident we should be on our intelligence on the nuclear sites, he accuses the reporter of questioning the bravery and skills of our pilots and crews. He is operating far above his actual competency and he cannot answer even basic questions about the complex operations DoD is undertaking and gets angry when a reporter asks a question he should be able to answer.
Hegseth is just an iron pumping figure head. If Trump doesn't want something talked about, Hegseth's job tenure depends on not talking about it.
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Hegseth is just an iron pumping figure head. If Trump doesn't want something talked about, Hegseth's job tenure depends on not talking about it.
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NoParty
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Agree completely. Which is why I keep pointing out Hegseth's stonewalling.
But eventually the chickens are coming home to roost...
and then he has not just the "We killed 175 innocents on Day One," problem, but also the "And we covered it up for ___ days" problem. I think it will never occur to Trump that the buck stops with himself, so Hegseth will get thrown under the bus.
fizzBuzz
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Oh, Ann...
This is a list of wars/conflicts/military actions/whateverwhocares the US has engaged in without approval from Congress
https://www.warcosts.org/analysis/congressional-authority
Right... Because Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, Biden did it the democratic way.
There was an AUMF (Congressional Authorization for Use of Military Force) in 2001 that was passed on Sept 14th and signed into law on Sept 18th. No issues there, understandable. However, that AUMF has been used by Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden to "justify" military operations in 22 different countries. I understand there is an obsessive compulsion to damn Trump for everything he does and people just can't help it (TDS) but the double standards always amaze me.
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fizzBuzz
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ETA: I'm so sorry, I see this was already posted this morning.
Trump says they think bombing of school was done by Iran in error. I will be royally pissed if this isn't true and he's playing political games here. You don't play politics with the deaths of 175 kids! I don't mind if they are actually taking their time to investigate it, I'm not as impatient and I don't jump to conclusions like some on here, but I wish he wouldn't say this until they're certain.
Video of gaggle with Press (2:52 - 3:35)
Source: https://youtu.be/5v-An90wAMg?si=rSlkVjZj2L2MzuZP&t=172
Trump says they think bombing of school was done by Iran in error. I will be royally pissed if this isn't true and he's playing political games here. You don't play politics with the deaths of 175 kids! I don't mind if they are actually taking their time to investigate it, I'm not as impatient and I don't jump to conclusions like some on here, but I wish he wouldn't say this until they're certain.
Video of gaggle with Press (2:52 - 3:35)
Source: https://youtu.be/5v-An90wAMg?si=rSlkVjZj2L2MzuZP&t=172
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deirdre
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How much do you think i would annoy MB if every time the Dems (if they ever get back in power) say "it's under investigation", "the investigation is ongoing" i spam the threads with "it's a coverup!" "they're lying, they know" "Fox News already did a serious investigation"
c'mon man.
deirdre
Senior Member
or get your news off of twitter. That was my first thought. Trump has been extremely busy these last days and i kinda doubt in the daily "war" briefings anyone is giving updates on the school. so unless he specifically asked to see info, which i personal doubt he did, i think what he's seen has been off the internet.
fizzBuzz
Senior Member
I think I'll give him a little bit more credit than this. I think they're probably still investigating it, as Hegseth says, and maybe something is pointing to it being Iran. I think that's totally plausible, I just wish Trump wouldn't say that until they're certain. I think we have a right to know at some point, but we don't have a right to know now.
I disapprove of Trump jumping to conclusions as much as I disapprove of @NoParty jumping to conclusions.
deirdre
Senior Member
i don't. he has meant social media or news reports before when he's said "from what i've seen".
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deirdre
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sounds like the Armed Services Committee has received no updates from the investigators yet. he answers a question on the school at
9:28 ("dont know what happened right now")
9:28 ("dont know what happened right now")
Article: Senator Mike Rounds, a member of the Senate Armed Services and Intelligence Committees, joins "Bloomberg This Weekend" and addresses questions regarding the US military engagement with Iran nine days into the conflict.
John J.
Senior Member.
He's the President of the USA. If he's relying on Twitter/ X as a major source of information about a calamitous loss of innocent life caused by events that he initiated, it's very worrying indeed.
If his staff aren't informing him about what is known about the Minab attack, or he isn't asking them, or they are (incomprehensibly) relying on social media as a source of information about what happened, that has to be problematic.
fizzBuzz
Senior Member
I'm sure he probably has, but were those things in reference to situations as sensitive as 175 kids being bombed? I realize that's a subjective metric, but situations involving US intelligence and "war" actions I can't imagine him conveying hearsay from social media. My worry is that it's actually worse than that, though, I just really hope he's not lying about it for political reasons - but I have no reason to think he is.
Gary C
Senior Member.
About that investigation, as a non-pilot, the first thing I would ask for is the CENTCOM Air Tasking Order for the date(s) the IRGC base was struck.
It would allow me to confirm that one or more US aircraft or missile units was tasked to strike a target at or near the coordinates of the school. That's just a data file that someone in the Pentagon probably either has real-time access to or can get in short order.
I can clearly see seven distinct impact points in the before and after pictures posted on page one of this thread. One or more of those should appear in Field 8 or 9. For any US strikes, one or more of those impact points should appear in the day's ATO.
Edit: If you would rather watch a video than read military jargon, this is a pretty good plain English explanation of the same concepts -
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLHTSg5hEe4
It would allow me to confirm that one or more US aircraft or missile units was tasked to strike a target at or near the coordinates of the school. That's just a data file that someone in the Pentagon probably either has real-time access to or can get in short order.
(This is a generic USAF training document that describes the contents of the ATO without reference to any specific IT systems being used - https://wiki.455aew.com/books/ato-aco-spins-guide/page/ato)External Quote:
I can clearly see seven distinct impact points in the before and after pictures posted on page one of this thread. One or more of those should appear in Field 8 or 9. For any US strikes, one or more of those impact points should appear in the day's ATO.
Edit: If you would rather watch a video than read military jargon, this is a pretty good plain English explanation of the same concepts -
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLHTSg5hEe4
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deirdre
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his mindset (perspective) might be more focused on the military personnel being accused of murdering children. I'm not saying he doesnt care about the children, i'm just saying people can be in the same conversation but be hearing it and answering questions from a completely different perspective than the reader or the person asking the question.
Giddierone
Senior Member.
Bellingcat have just published a report with apparent video footage (linked to Telegram from the Bellingcat site) of a Tomahawk cruise missile strike in Minab.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/202...-missile-strike-next-to-girls-school-in-iran/External Quote:
