COVID-19 Coronavirus current events

Early days but it seems while cases numbers in OZ state NSW are going exponential deaths and hospitalization seem to be reducing.

Is this due to high Vax pop% vs the O variety lower harm ?
I suspect (guess ;) ) that on the community side the cause is lax personal discipline and carelessness. Despite the success of hard lockout/lockdown the overall numbers have been consistently low. Most people have no real appreciation of infection as a risk distinct from the frustrations of "obeying the rules". (Yes I'm not in a capital city but I have so far not had a known single case of infection in my range of contacts.)

From the Government response side I judge that a return to harsh rules will not be easily re-considered. Our new state premier is allegedly "laissez-faire".

My second guess is that omicron is not (yet) significant. The more infections due to apathy whilst the fewer hospitalisations, intensive care or deaths most probably a reflection of the success of the near 94% fully vaxed status. You may still get it but the symptoms and impact are less severe. So "live through it" is attractive BUT if the exponential continues - time to think again. Politicians probably will play for time for minimal interference with the "festive season"... -
 
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Early days but it seems while cases numbers in OZ state NSW are going exponential deaths and hospitalization seem to be reducing.

Is this due to high Vax pop% vs the O variety lower harm ?
2020 knowledge is that deaths trail cases by a few weeks.
And hospitalisations trail by about a week, they are on the upswing.
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Note also that age demographics and vaccination rates play a part in how severe infections are.

Is there evidence that omicron is less harmful in countries that are not in Africa?
 
hospitalisation and deaths are following cases but with the Omicron variant perhaps they won't be as high as the previous variants. that is all i know for now. hope everyone has gotten as vaccinated as they possibly can as i think that does provide some protection against being hospitalized and death.

i also hope everyone has a good holiday season and we're all done with this pandemic in a few months.
 
Is there evidence that omicron is less harmful in countries that are not in Africa?
There are at least 2 studies in the UK (separately in England and Scotland, if I recall) suggesting that Omicron is less harmful than Delta. Reported in the UK press in the last few days, but I'm not going to search for them just now, as it's Christmas Day! 'Less harmful' doesn't mean harmless, it's more like a substantial reduction in hospitalisation rates per infection. But Omicron is much more infectious, so the net outcome may still be a worsening. Hospitalisations have increased notably in London in the last few days, but NB London has relatively low vaccination uptake, especially among ethnic minorities.
 
There are at least 2 studies in the UK (separately in England and Scotland, if I recall) suggesting that Omicron is less harmful than Delta.
Found something, thank you!
SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England: technical briefing 33, via https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-sars-cov-2-variants-technical-briefings

SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England
Technical briefing 33
23 December 2021
This briefing provides an update on previous briefings up to 17 December 2021

Severity
The risk of hospital admission for a person detected as a case of Omicron appears reduced compared to a case of Delta. This analysis excludes known reinfections. The current hazard ratio is 0.62 (95%CI 0.55-0.69) for emergency department attendance or admission, and 0.38 (95% CI 0.3-0.5) for admission alone. This analysis is preliminary because of the small numbers of Omicron cases currently in hospital and the limited spread of Omicron into older age groups as yet. It has not been adjusted for undiagnosed reinfections. It will be iterated regularly. In addition, Imperial reported analysis using the same data set but imputing a potential previous infection variable and estimated the intrinsic risk difference between Delta and Omicron as between 0 to 30% and the reduced risk of hospitalisation in those previously infected estimated as 55 to 70%. In the Scottish study, the range of estimates for their analysis was similar, though based on only 18 total admissions detected for Omicron in the study and only 7 individuals admitted with 7 or more days of follow-up.

Vaccine effectiveness
Repeated VE analysis continues to show lower VE for symptomatic Omicron disease compared to Delta. There is evidence of waning of protection against symptomatic disease with increasing time after dose 2, and by 10 weeks after the booster dose, with a 15 to 25% reduction in vaccine effectiveness after 10 weeks. This waning is faster for Omicron than for Delta infections. There are insufficient severe cases of Omicron as yet to analyse vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation, but this is expected to be better sustained, for both primary and booster doses. This analysis will be iterated next week, although numbers may still restrict a robust analysis of protection against more severe outcomes. The VE data will also appear in the weekly COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report published routinely on a Thursday.

Reinfections
The population reinfection rate has increased sharply and disproportionately to the number of first infections. 9.5% of Omicron infections have been identified to have previous confirmed infections, which is likely to be a substantial underestimate of the proportion of reinfections. The first infections of the individuals with Omicron reinfections occurred in both the Alpha and Delta waves and are likely to have been undetected if in the first wave. There were 69 identified cases with Omicron as a third episode of infection and 290 cases where the Omicron infection was between a 60 to 89 day interval after a confirmed first infection.

A total of 14 people have been reported to have died within 28 days of an Omicron COVID-19 diagnosis. The median time from Omicron specimen date to death was 4 days (range 1 to 10). The age of those dying ranged from 52 to 96 years.

Stratified Cox proportional hazard regression assessed that the risk of presentation to emergency care or hospital admission with Omicron was approximately three-fifths of that for Delta (Hazard Ratio 0.62, 95% CI: 0.55 to 0.69). The risk of hospital admission alone with Omicron was approximately two-fifths of that for Delta (Hazard Ratio 0.38, 95% CI: 0.30 to 0.50). These analyses stratified on week of specimen and area of residence and further adjusted for age, exact calendar date, sex, ethnicity, local area deprivation, international travel and vaccination status.
This effect is still present when stratified by vaccination status. However, this is preliminary analysis including only 431 attendances to the emergency department and 70 hospital admissions with Omicron. These analyses also are not adjusted for undiagnosed previous COVID-19 infection, or co-morbidities of these individuals. It is not an assessment of in hospital severity, which will take further time to access. Despite adjusting for calendar week, there may still be reporting delays for hospital events. It is important to highlight that these lower risks do not necessarily imply reduced hospital burden over the epidemic wave given the higher growth rate and immune evasion observed with Omicron.

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There seems to be about a week of lag between actual hospital admissions and the analysis, so putting that on top of the delays associated with the symptoms developing after infection, I wouldn't be surprised if some of these number went up in the future. (Additionally, the omicron-infected are comparatively young so far, which also skews severity.)

tl;dr you're ~half as likely to end up in hospital when you catch omicron as you are when you catch delta, but you're far more likely to catch it
 
Michigan has finally peaked (in terms of hospitalisations not in terms of infections) and come down from the Delta wave, but the Omicron wave has yet to fully arrive. The next four weeks should be telling as to whether this is the knock-out punch that Covid needed or if we just settle into some other arrangement of coexistence. By the looks of things in the UK and South Africa the Delta variant is displaced by the Omicron. Michigan is vaccinated enough that we'll see some upwards moves in hospitalisations but I'm trying to be hopeful that enough people won't get sick that it won't get the system stuffed up again. I'm still pretty sure that the majority of hospitalisations and deaths are still from those who have not been vaccinated.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news...ichigan-covid-19-hospitalization-data-trends/
 
It looks like vaccinations won't help most people not get infected, but they may still help make symptoms less severe - we don't know that yet because you can't find that out in the lab.
Preliminary data from South Africa suggests that, unlike the neutralizing antibodies, the T-cell immune response (that is also trained by vaccines) still works well on omicron SARS-CoV-2.
Article:
The SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant has multiple Spike (S) protein mutations that contribute to escape from the neutralizing antibody responses, and reducing vaccine protection from infection. The extent to which other components of the adaptive response such as T cells may still target Omicron and contribute to protection from severe outcomes is unknown. We assessed the ability of T cells to react with Omicron spike in participants who were vaccinated with Ad26.CoV2.S or BNT162b2, and in unvaccinated convalescent COVID-19 patients (n = 70). We found that 70-80% of the CD4 and CD8 T cell response to spike was maintained across study groups. Moreover, the magnitude of Omicron cross-reactive T cells was similar to that of the Beta and Delta variants, despite Omicron harbouring considerably more mutations. Additionally, in Omicron-infected hospitalized patients (n = 19), there were comparable T cell responses to ancestral spike, nucleocapsid and membrane proteins to those found in patients hospitalized in previous waves dominated by the ancestral, Beta or Delta variants (n = 49). These results demonstrate that despite Omicron's extensive mutations and reduced susceptibility to neutralizing antibodies, the majority of T cell response, induced by vaccination or natural infection, cross-recognises the variant. Well-preserved T cell immunity to Omicron is likely to contribute to protection from severe COVID-19, supporting early clinical observations from South Africa.

We'll have to see if these findings replicate elsewhere, and how that converts to actual people getting actually sick (aka clinical findings), but it's making me cautiously optimistic.
 
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I'm still pretty sure that the majority of hospitalisations and deaths are still from those who have not been vaccinated.
That's correct.
Article:
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This roughly reflects vaccine efficacy because Michigan's vaccination rate is 63% (first vaccinations), which puts vaccinated:unvaccinated at around 3:2; to compare them, all "vaccinated" numbers should be multiplied by 2/3.
As more people in Michigan get vaccinated, their proportion in hospitals will grow correspondingly, so watch out against people misinterpreting that.
 
While this headline

In the Long Term, Rise of Omicron Could Be a Good Thing​

may initially seem counterintuitive to the max...if the premise is true that the less lethal
(though more contagious) "Omicron is likely to push delta out," the headline does make sense.

On one hand, the reduced lethality makes me want to give a sigh of relief...
but the predictions of how widespread Omicron could get
(upwards of 300,000 cases day, already, with some predictions of 500,000 soon...
and some experts saying we might have 60% of the U.S. ultimately infected!)

makes me as vigilant as ever...masking in marginal circumstances...maintaining 6 feet even when
it's awkward: I didn't endure this for 21 months (and counting) to come out of it with
any compromise of my system, from unknown long-term COVID effects...

https://www.newser.com/story/315021/rise-of-omicron-could-be-good-news-against-delta.html
 
Omicron has outcompeted Delta in the UK and in South Africa, this is documented in recent statistics from each. As to how high hospitalisations go so far South Africa has remained pretty flat and the UK has so far had a slight increase, but nothing like what has happened before. Of course everyone in the UK hopes it remains so, but I think there are a few weeks yet to go to see if they mirror the South African experience. The Michigan stats seem to also be reflecting this decrease as Omicron takes over.

Michigan stats are usually poor on the Monday report and I only consider the mid-week stats as more reliable. With the holiday this Friday/Saturday I don't really expect to see accurate reports then either - so by mid-next-week perhaps we'll see a better indication of where this is going in my state.

From our own net of contacts a large number of people are currently sick but only mildly so, a few friends picked up cases of Delta and are having a harder time of it. I got a booster shot almost two weeks ago so I've done as much as I can to avoid this round but it would not surprise me if it comes through our house anyways since Mom is out and about and while she does take basic precautions I know that this variant is more highly contagious. I just didn't want the chain of transmission to go from me to her if I pick it up somehow. Right now as much as possible I'm just staying home anyways. I normally am not the out and about person anyways so this is routine for me. My next plan to try to attend an event is towards the end of February and I'm really hoping this all will be pretty much over by then and we can get back to more regular activities again.
 
Right now as much as possible I'm just staying home anyways.
that's what i'm doing. got in all my supplies to last mostly through february (with maybe 4 more grocery deliveries for fresh stuff). i have 2 friends who work from home so are also planning to isolate 100%..this way we can visit each other in between if skype isnt enough.

i'm not boosted yet, and there is no way i'm gonna go to a shot place now :) (or right before xmas which is when i became eligible).
They say everyone will eventually catch omicron, so the plan is to at least wait until the hospitals clear out and the nurses get a few weeks to rest up! and i figure by end of february there will be fairly good herd immunity happening.

obviously coronavirus is basically a cold virus, and we all know cold viruses dont have long lasting immunity, so people have to figure that into the math.

My state, fyi, with pretty high vax rates (76% fully vaxxed, 88% one dose) is currently at 75% unvaxxed in hospitals. which is reasonable since only 41% of our eligible population (2 doses already) have gotten a booster. i dont know what percentage of us got the J&J shot (which basically sucks) or Pfizer ...as far as waning immunity.
 
I just came back from Greece, which is a bit of a hotspot currently, and where they have pretty broad covid-theatre (everyone must have a vax/recovery certificicate for any venue, but that QR code is clearly a magical talisman, as once you're inside there's no concept of further precuations such as distancing or masks), and flew back to via Germany, which again seemed to have the certificate=magic philosophy in the airport.

No such silly nonsense when I got back to Tallinn. There, I just walked off the plane, through the departure lounge, through a door, and onto the tram home without anyone even looking at a single piece of paper or anything. I found this quite surprising. And in some ways quite worrying. But we're below Sweden in the kaputniks-per-kapita lists, so we can't be messing things up too badly (but above Germany, so about New Hampshire levels in US-sprache, so far from perfect).

(Disclaimer: OK, that's tale's not true - I deviated from that path to take a voluntary (and free, even for non-residents, but of course we taxpayers pay for them all in the end) test, obviously, but I *could* have waltzed through without had I wanted to. I'd eyeball under 30% opting for the test, but didn't have a way to estimate whether locals or tourists showed greater preference/avoidance.)
 
I'd just gotten done posting:
"I've always said that if you often feel a need to lie to defend your positions,
you're probably way overdue to reconsider how great those opinions really are"
and here, for the 50 billionth time, people feel a need to lie to defend their idiotic
positions (anti-vax, in this instance): In a nutshell, this time the attempt is (evidence-free, of course)
to blame the death of 99 year-old (!!!) Betty White on getting a vaccine "booster." Beyond shameless.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/betty-white-covid-vaccine-booster/
 
I don't know that, and couldn't turn up support for this. Would you please be so kind?
you googled "coronavirus reinfection"?

edit add: here's a decent one
Article:
Researchers based at the Amsterdam University Medical Center (UMC) and their colleagues at other institutions analyzed stored samples from 10 subjects who had their blood collected every three to six months for at least 10 years, looking for antibodies to proteins from the four known cold-causing coronaviruses that would indicate a recent viral infection.

See “A Brief History of Human Coronaviruses”
The research team knew of the earlier 229E reinfection study, so they weren’t surprised to see multiple 229E infections in the same subjects crop up in their own data, as revealed by increases in antibody levels, says Arthur Edridge, a physician and Amsterdam UMC graduate student who is the paper’s first author. “What was surprising for us is that [reinfection] actually seemed to be a common feature for all the seasonal coronaviruses that we studied,” he says. All but one study subject had been infected with a particular coronavirus multiple times over the period of the study, and in some cases the time between infections with the same virus was as little as six months to a year, indicating an “alarmingly short duration of protective immunity,” the authors write in their paper.
 
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In a nutshell, this time the attempt is (evidence-free, of course)
to blame the death of 99 year-old (!!!) Betty White on getting a vaccine "booster." Beyond shameless.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/betty-white-covid-vaccine-booster/

Source: https://mobile.twitter.com/LAPDPIO/status/1477004130509938694


Article:
According to longtime agent and friend, Jeff Witjas, White "died peacefully in her sleep at her home"

No mention of any vaccine side effects etc.
 
in some cases the time between infections with the same virus was as little as six months to a year, indicating an “alarmingly short duration of protective immunity,” the authors write in their paper. Source: https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/cold-causing-coronaviruses-dont-seem-to-confer-lasting-immunity-67832
Thank you!

Sometime in the late 1980s, in a town in southwest England called Salisbury, 15 volunteers agreed to have a cold-causing coronavirus known as 229E squirted into their noses in a saline solution. Ten of the volunteers were successfully infected, as determined by viruses recovered from their noses in the days following, although only eight displayed symptoms. Researchers monitored the levels of antibodies and immune cells in their blood over the ensuing weeks.

A year later, 14 of the same volunteers came back for another round. Of the nine people who’d become infected with the first exposure, six became infected again, but none developed colds. Moreover, they only shed virus from their noses for a couple of days, compared with an average of five and a half days the first time around. As for the five people who’d resisted infection the first time around, all became infected this time, but only one developed symptoms.

The researchers struggled to explain the results. “These data do not fit any simple model,” they wrote in their report. “It may be that the small amounts of antibody remaining in the original infected group contributed to resistance to reinfection in some volunteers. It may also have prevented colds and shortened the duration of virus shedding.”


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But Iwasaki adds that antibodies don’t reveal the full picture of immunity, as even if antibodies to a virus are at undetectable levels, people who’ve been exposed to the pathogen before may be able to mount a quick response thanks to T cells and B cells that “remember” the previous infection.

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We're seeing the same kind of protective effect with the Covid vaccinations.
 
Post-Covid Patients Report Gastrointestinal Issues

In Uttar Pradesh, COVID-19 recovered patients are now facing problems related to the gastroenterology system.

Anil Gangwar of Lucknow's SGPGI's gastroenterology department, said: "All viral diseases have a tendency to leave behind gastrointestinal issues like rotavirus, dengue etc. A similar pattern is seen in patients of novel coronavirus. Many of these patients showed a pattern of overconsumption of herbal and Ayurvedic drinks like 'kadhas' which caused inflammation of their liver and gut."

‘More and more patients with Covid history are reporting to hospitals with inflamed liver and gut, upset stomach or abdominal pain. Many of these patients are being diagnosed with post-infection irritable bowel syndrome.’

Covid patients with no prior history of gastrointestinal issues (GI) are now visiting hospitals with trouble in their gut, loose motions, stomach fullness, abdominal pain and allied symptoms.

Sumit Rungta, Head of the gastroenterology department at Lucknow's King George's Medical University, said: "Initially, majority Covid patients in ICU had accompanying GI problems. We are still getting patients with persistent GI troubles even after months of having contracted Covid-19 infection.

"We have not correlated if these GI troubles are a new development or related to Covid-19. It could be because of the virus or because the new normal has become more of a sedentary lifestyle."

Source: IANS

https://www.medindia.net/news/post-covid-patients-report-gastrointestinal-issues-203969-1.htm
 
Post-Covid Patients Report Gastrointestinal Issues
At best this seems to be anecdotal reports from 2 Drs.

One of them Dr.(?) Gangwar makes a rather sweeping statement about all viruses causing GI issues:

Anil Gangwar of Lucknow's SGPGI's gastroenterology department, said: "All viral diseases have a tendency to leave behind gastrointestinal issues like rotavirus, dengue etc. A similar pattern is seen in patients of novel coronavirus.
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But then offers a plausible(?) alternate explanation for the GI issues:

Many of these patients showed a pattern of overconsumption of herbal and Ayurvedic drinks like 'kadhas' which caused inflammation of their liver and gut."
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Dr(?). Rungta says a majority of COVID patients had GI issues during and after infection:

Sumit Rungta, Head of the gastroenterology department at Lucknow's King George's Medical University, said: "Initially, majority Covid patients in ICU had accompanying GI problems. We are still getting patients with persistent GI troubles even after months of having contracted Covid-19 infection.
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But then, as above, offers a alternate explanation:

"We have not correlated if these GI troubles are a new development or related to Covid-19. It could be because of the virus or because the new normal has become more of a sedentary lifestyle."
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The whole article is very short and lacks any stats or actual numbers, just a couple of people saying COVID might cause GI issues...or maybe not.

All EX: https://www.medindia.net/news/post-covid-patients-report-gastrointestinal-issues-203969-1.htm
 
just a couple of people saying COVID might cause GI issues
No, nobody says that Covid causes this. The experts and the writer seem well aware that correlation does not imply causation.

(One possible explanation not mentioned could be that, due to a hygiene deficiency, a stomach bug could have become established at the hospital, and transmitted amomg patients as a nosocomial disease.)
 
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to blame the death of 99 year-old (!!!) Betty White on getting a vaccine "booster." Beyond shameless.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/betty-white-covid-vaccine-booster/
There seems to be a rather vocal group of CTs who seem to struggle with the idea that famous people (or sometimes even people in their own circles) can die without being killed as part of some false flag operation. What's kind of frustrating to me is that in some alternate reality where she comes out as being anti-vax but still dies at the same age the anti-vaxxers would just claim that her old age is evidence of the vaccines being unnecessary, so basically if she said "don't get the vaccine" before dying the anti-vaxxers would call it a win for their side, and if she said the opposite they would still call it a win for their side. Pretty convenient if you're an anti-vaxxer.
 
I'm confused by that statement. If I google "Covid causes GI" I get quite a lot of reputable looking links that appear certain that it does.
I should have elaborated a little more on my post, but it was time to get dinner going. I did use the word "might", but should have pointed out that they weren't saying there was causation.

I think Mendel is saying "no, nobody says that Covid causes this (GI issues)" in reference to that particular article only.
 
OOPS - crossed in posting - the issue already addressed but I'll leave this post here
No, nobody says that Covid causes this. The experts and the writer seem well aware that correlation does not imply causation.
I'm confused by that statement.
Yes. But quote-mining what Mendel said won't help remove the confusion. @Mendel actually said:
No, nobody says that Covid causes this. The experts and the writer seem well aware that correlation does not imply causation.
i.e. in the material leading to @Mendel's assertion none of those agreeing "correlation" were arguing the relevant scenario of "causation". And there are several options for "causation" which neither of you is addressing at this stage. e.g. "COVID always causes." "COVID alone causes" and a couple more variants whilst the realistic one that you identify is "COVID seems to sometimes cause". Which is highly probable but still the subject of ongoing research as you identify by your Google search. Which Google search by the way is loaded to favour your area of concern because it does nothing to identify or quantify the probability of risk.

So:
If I google "Covid causes GI" I get quite a lot of reputable looking links that appear certain that it does.
It probably is a cause and the real issue is how significant - how probable and how serious if it does occur I suggest being the two key parameters.
 
I should have elaborated a little more on my post, but it was time to get dinner going. I did use the word "might", but should have pointed out that they weren't saying there was causation.
Agreed. They are saying "may be causation" "which is what is being researched" -- and they are certainly not saying "Causation is guaranteed" or "COVID will always cause" or making any comment which quantifies the level of risk >> the "chance" of it happening OR how serious the impact may be.
I think Mendel is saying "no, nobody says that Covid causes this (GI issues)" in reference to that particular article only.
Yes. He refers to one specific sub-set of possible scenarios in a situation where there may be others.
 
Here's a fun study for the fans of long-term side effects and "natural immunity": long-term side effects from mild cases of Covid in Hamburg, Germany. The university/hospital that published this has a good reputation.
Article:
Elina Petersen et al., Multi-organ assessment in mainly non-hospitalised individuals after SARS-CoV2 infection: The Hamburg City Health Study COVID program

Methods and results
Four hundred and forty-three mainly non-hospitalized individuals were examined in median 9.6 months after the first positive SARS-CoV-2 test and matched for age, sex, and education with 1328 controls from a population-based German cohort. We assessed pulmonary, cardiac, vascular, renal, and neurological status, as well as patient-related outcomes. Bodyplethysmography documented mildly lower total lung volume (regression coefficient −3.24, adjusted P = 0.014) and higher specific airway resistance (regression coefficient 8.11, adjusted P = 0.001) after SARS-CoV-2 infection. Cardiac assessment revealed slightly lower measures of left (regression coefficient for left ventricular ejection fraction on transthoracic echocardiography −0.93, adjusted P = 0.015) and right ventricular function and higher concentrations of cardiac biomarkers (factor 1.14 for high-sensitivity troponin, 1.41 for N-terminal pro-B-type natriuretic peptide, adjusted P ≤ 0.01) in post-SARS-CoV-2 patients compared with matched controls, but no significant differences in cardiac magnetic resonance imaging findings. Sonographically non-compressible femoral veins, suggesting deep vein thrombosis, were substantially more frequent after SARS-CoV-2 infection (odds ratio 2.68, adjusted P , 0.001). Glomerular filtration rate (regression coefficient −2.35, adjusted P = 0.019) was lower in post-SARS-CoV-2 cases. Relative brain volume, prevalence of cerebral microbleeds, and infarct residuals were similar, while the mean cortical thickness was higher in post-SARS-CoV-2 cases. Cognitive function was not impaired.
Similarly, patient-related outcomes did not differ.

Conclusion
Subjects who apparently recovered from mild to moderate SARS-CoV-2 infection show signs of subclinical multiorgan affection related to pulmonary, cardiac, thrombotic, and renal function without signs of structural brain damage, neurocognitive, or quality-of-life impairment. Respective screening may guide further patient management.

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The key question is: How does a mild to moderate course of SARS-CoV-2 infection in mainly non-hospitalized individuals impact intermediate-term organ-specific functions in comparison to the general population? The key findings are (i) a mild to moderate course of SARS-CoV-2 infection is associated with subsequent signs of subclinical multi-organ affection; (ii) associations mainly affect the pulmonary, cardiac, coagulation, and renal system; and (iii) no systematic associations with structural brain damage, neurocognition, or quality of life were observed. The take-home message is systematic screening of multi-organ function even after mild to moderate SARS-CoV-2 infection is recommended to identify individuals at risk and initiate appropriate preventive therapies.
 
i.e. in the material leading to @Mendel's assertion none of those agreeing "correlation" were arguing the relevant scenario of "causation". And there are several options for "causation" which neither of you is addressing at this stage.
Thank you!

My main gripe with @NorCal Dave 's summary of "COVID might cause GI issues" is that it sounds monocausal, while nobody in the original article (which I had looked at to be certain) suggested a monocausal link. They report on anecdotal evidence of a correlation between Covid and GI issues, and the article strongly suggests to me that the experts and the author think that there's another, unconfirmed factor (or two) that might explain it.

If you express the correlation as people find out they've got Covid and shit themselves, another explanation suggests itself. :p
 
I'm confused by that statement. If I google "Covid causes GI" I get quite a lot of reputable looking links that appear certain that it does
From your first link:
Article:
Infection of the gut, which expresses high levels of the ACE2 receptor protein that SARS-CoV-2 uses to enter cells, is correlated with more severe cases of COVID-19, but the exact interactions between the virus and intestinal tissue is difficult to study in human patients.

The scientists found that a drug called nafamostat reduced infection while the drug remdesivir, which has been used to treat COVID-19 patients, did not reduce infection and actually damaged the intestinal tissue.

No causation in that article, either.
Instead, they describe a potential cause that isn't Covid itself, but rather a common (in 2020) treatment for severe cases.
 
Thank you!
No problem.
My main gripe with @NorCal Dave 's summary of "COVID might cause GI issues" is that it sounds monocausal, while nobody in the original article (which I had looked at to be certain) suggested a monocausal link.
Understood. That is one of several possible types of "false generalisation" presumptions.
They report on anecdotal evidence of a correlation between Covid and GI issues, and the article strongly suggests to me that the experts and the author think that there's another, unconfirmed factor (or two) that might explain it.
Yes. Or seven??? It is certainly not a "monocausal" or other form of "global" claim.
If you express the correlation as people find out they've got Covid and shit themselves, another explanation suggests itself. :p
Yes. And with varying degrees of possible humour.
 
My main gripe with @NorCal Dave 's summary of "COVID might cause GI issues" is that it sounds monocausal, while nobody in the original article (which I had looked at to be certain) suggested a monocausal link. They report on anecdotal evidence of a correlation between Covid and GI issues, and the article strongly suggests to me that the experts and the author think that there's another, unconfirmed factor (or two) that might explain it.
As I noted above, I didn't express myself very well. In defense, I'll say I was more reacting to the post by Cryptic, who seems to have gotten banned, as the few other post made by him/her seemed to be of an anti-vax bent. I took the post, which had no accompanying comments, as a "look here, COVID causes GI issues!" And.....what? What is the point? Especially, as we've roundly concluded, that's not what it says.
 
I'm confused by that statement. If I google "Covid causes GI" I get quite a lot of reputable looking links that appear certain that it does.

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Detecting the difference between "CoViD causes GI issues" and "CoViD reduces the immune system's ability to deal with underlying GI issues that have not previously been noticed" requires a fairly high power test, and time.
 
Detecting the difference between "CoViD causes GI issues" and "CoViD reduces the immune system's ability to deal with underlying GI issues that have not previously been noticed" requires a fairly high power test, and time.
Especially since some of the preconditions for severe Covid and GI problems overlap.
 
I found an excellent overview paper on the gastrointestinal issues that spanned all relevant papers published in 2020. It suggests to me that there is no simple link.

I found the idea most surprising that nutrition (fiber!) can have an impact on viral disease.
Article:
Van der Lelie et al. have discussed the ‘gut–lung axis,’ where the gut microbiota composition influences lung susceptibility to viral infections and viral infections of the lung alter the gut microbiota composition toward a pro-inflammatory and dysbiotic state. Such dysregulation may influence disease progression and the risk of developing complications.
 
Interesting. I have a nutritionist friend who believes the condition of one's gut microbiome is perhaps the key factor in health and the immune system, as well as resistance to Covid. Maybe she's on to something.
 
The slope on that wave looks scary. With a vaccination rate <30%, [South Africa's] medical system is going to have an intense next two months.
It looks like SA managed to quickly reverse this trend.
Australian growth is exponential on the ourworldindata.org chart; and the logarithmic chart shows it's multiplying faster than it is in the UK or the US, so without countermeasures, Australia is going to overtake them.
Two weeks later, and the US is overtaken (plus/minus amount of testing in each country).
The uptick in deaths in Australia lags the uptick in cases by 16 days.
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Its suspected Australian case numbers are much much higher than reported as the testing venues and laboratory's have been overwhelmed with presenting patients. Lag time from test to report pos / neg is now est 5 days


my State Victoria see link & its middle summer down here the hot warm weather not slowing spread

I note at glance of graphs when in Oct we had ~2000 cases the death and hospitalization was higher than now when we have ~20000 cases

https://www.9news.com.au/national/c...s-return/8d1e962b-d7a0-4e6c-8df2-2798c179ff01

An online registration form for Victorians who test positive on rapid antigen tests has been launched as the state has recorded 21,728 new COVID-19 cases and six deaths.
Hospitalisations have risen to 644, with 58 in intensive care and 24 on ventilators.
The state carried out 68,202 tests yesterday, meaning close to one in three people tested positive.
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New cases 2.5 times the previous high:

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But deaths are at their lowest level since October 2020:

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