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  • Gary C
    Gary C reacted to Charlie Wiser's post in the thread The Westall School Incident with Winner Winner.
    The technician I spoke with (pseudonym Steven Thorn, who wrote a memoir of his time on the program in the 60s), identified this *witness illustration (R in the composite) as a deflating Hibal (that is, one with a slow leak because of a...
  • Gary C
    Gary C reacted to Charlie Wiser's post in the thread The Westall School Incident with Agree Agree.
    Thanks - and urgh, there is so much misinformation and twisting of facts in that presentation - starting with James Fox at 1:45: The significance of the Westall case is the sheer volume of eyewitnesses saying the same thing that they did 60...
  • Charlie Wiser
    Both the contemporaneous illustrations (above) show featureless blobs. It's plausible that the "dome" on Joy's drawing is an artifact of her style, given she clearly went over the shape a few times with the pen. The description on the report she...
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  • D
    Spend enough time in the Lazar echo chambers and you'll find that his fans expend far more energy creating contrived excuses for his lack of evidence than Bob himself has ever bothered to do.
  • D
    DarkLight reacted to John J.'s post in the thread S4: The Bob Lazar Story Evidence? with Like Like.
    Using Giddierone's location of 37.11573046856453, -115.83865333123748 in Google Maps, it looks like the linear-ish features are probably natural, just as they do in Giddierone's post #16, and in @Ann K's post #12 featuring the same hill. The...
  • D
    My point has never been so well made for me.
  • NorCal Dave
    NorCal Dave reacted to RTM's post in the thread Debunking Humor... with Funny Funny.
  • NorCal Dave
    I'm assuming that they're going to pretend to be bayesian. However, knowing the correct bayesian conclusion (in the absense of any hits, you're remain, on average, permanently half way to your first positive data point - a target that recedes...
  • Minus0
    Minus0 reacted to Charlie Wiser's post in the thread The Westall School Incident with Like Like.
    Thanks - and urgh, there is so much misinformation and twisting of facts in that presentation - starting with James Fox at 1:45: The significance of the Westall case is the sheer volume of eyewitnesses saying the same thing that they did 60...
  • Todd Feinman
    All but guaranteed with primitive medical knowledge, e.g. The view that epilepsy is caused by demonic possession prevailed throughout the Middle Ages and re-emerges in rare cases of misguided exorcisms even in modern Western societies. This...
  • Todd Feinman
    Exorcisms and apatropaic magic are some of the most ancient forms of magic. Early depictions of Jesus show him brandishing a wand </Harry Potter> I knew a lot of Hairy Potters in Eugene… So during the European witch crazes, demons, via...
  • Todd Feinman
    That is correct as far as I am aware. There was a Jewish and early Christian belief that angels/demons were disembodied spirits that roamed the air. Seen most directly in the epistle to the Ephesians. Ephesians 2:1-2 You were dead through the...
  • Todd Feinman
    I think it's likely Vance thinks of demons as the entities referred to as such in the Bible (or at least his understanding of what Biblical demons are). (From OP) "I mean, every great world religion including Christianity, the one that I believe...
  • Ann K
    All but guaranteed with primitive medical knowledge, e.g. The view that epilepsy is caused by demonic possession prevailed throughout the Middle Ages and re-emerges in rare cases of misguided exorcisms even in modern Western societies. This...
  • Ann K
    Ann K reacted to RTM's post in the thread Debunking Humor... with Like Like.
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