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As far as I’m aware, the fa18 is the only navy fighter with Atflir system. These are two seater jets. I’ve never actually seen written verification of this but that’s my understanding.

:) exactly ! I knew as I was typing it how schoolyard whisper-like it was and how it’s not worthy of much debate here. I was more surprised, and therefore compelled to recount it here, by the fact I had never heard or read that component of the story at all. How ever many years since the gimbal...

And rotating glare, for that matter

Very interesting. I’ve always thought that the rotating pixels in the sky could be from the source if whatever it was, is aiming something at the targeting pod. Some kind of overloading kaleidoscopic artefacts. Thanks for this. If it was some kind of energy aimed back at targeting pod then...

Good question. I think its mechanical rotation into the wind ( if that is what is happening ) is odd at the very least. I would lean towards some kind of spoof IR signature but really don’t know. I haven’t heard anyone here mention that claim that the pilots witnessed it rotate. I guess if the...

At 7.50 in this recent video by Lehto, he states that Lue Elizondo spoke to gimbal pilots and that they eyeballed the object and that it rotated. I’ve not heard this anywhere else. It’s an important piece of information if accurate. I’m not on social media so am out the loop but just found that...

Understood, I thought so but just found it strange aswell that none of others in the background on left are lit at all.

See those final moments where the people are running about the fire and the glare is very pronounced- I always question whether that particular portion is tv mode rather than IR. Could be wrong but the people look lit on one side by the fire which isn’t how I imagine it would look in white hot...

Cheers Mendel. Regarding the outline it seems very pronounced in comparison to other atflir footage. It seems a rather an extreme contrast at its border.

That’s very interesting thanks. Sorry I didn’t see the relevant thread. That laser overloading idea you give is interesting and kind of what I was thinking. Something that, if rotating, would have possible artefacts in periphery/sky.

It doesn’t look like a real return. Just looks fake in a strange way. If the object is at the predicted ranges the outline just doesn’t look right. It’s not exhibiting a normal heat signature of something throwing out a lot of energy. It seems like a false reading. The outline is so defined. I...

Again, rotating glare is a compelling argument but does anyone have another idea regarding IR signature ? Is there any such known technology that could mess with a targeting pod ? That could cause optical effects such as the pixelated rotation in the sky as well as the actual object. As we know...

Well said David. I totally agree. But may I just add on the other side that; I constantly approach this particular conundrum with trepidation and a worry that I’m going against the grain or insulting someone. I should be able to make an argument and not constantly feel the need to preface with...

Regarding bank angle- I mean that if the object is 6 deg below the jets horizon line, it’s not immediately obvious to me that the pod is looking 6 deg down as the jet is in a bank. That’s what I was getting at there. I may be wrong if someone wants to correct me , that’s fine, I’m sure they...

Totally agree. That’s kind of what we see initially in the sim. We are bound by 6 deg fov ? Is that correct ? Apologies I can’t find the spec at this moment. If an object is within this fov then of course, only the fine internal motions are required. As soon as it is out of that ‘window’ then...

I understand Mendel. This is all speculation. The point I’m making is the actual pod which picks out a place in the sky. This is bound by 2 axis. So yes, when we track an object there is a ton of stuff going on inside. All manner of rotation and turning. I’m merely stating that I believe all...

This DCS sim seems to be in line with my projections. Initially there is a smaller amount of rotation due to the combination if the bank angle of the hornet and the turn radius keeping the object target line somewhat perpendicular to the, what I described as, pivot point axis. Ive drawn...

This is fantastic. Thank you ! Sorry I missed this if it was in another thread. We can see that the pod does rotate albeit much slower than I had predicted. Rotation seems to start around 20 deg mark. I had posited a while back in another thread that the bank angle of our hornet might line up in...

:) Dont worry Jarlrmai. I lost my mind long ago on this topic ! :)

Source: https://youtu.be/uDD6DuDZ7Y8 this is a10 footage from Iraq. Visible rotation 2:00 visible rotation as tracking Apache. Also of interest to note is the strange mechanical judder, as if the propellor blades are affecting the passive track ? Whether DCS get the exact mechanics of the...