Faith v Science

Keef Wivaneff

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Following the "demonstration" of the Defkalion Cold Fusion Reactor and some unkind comments that suggested the test was rigged, the faithful have leaped to the defense.

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg85320.html
Re: [Vo]:Some comments by me at Mats Lewan blog
Axil Axil Fri, 02 Aug 2013 14:34:44 -0700

What Defkalion attempted to do was to instill faith in the LENR community.

It is the same principle where the body of the Church recognizes actions that cannot be explained by natural laws, to inspire faith in the membership. When the blind see again, when the cripple walk, when the dead rise and walk again among us, the faithful believe no matter what is said against the faith. If there is no faith in your heart, there can be no belief. If there is no belief, there can be no Church. Our Church is weak and beset from all quarters. We do not need dissention in the membership.

You are acting like a loathsome heretic in the face of a divine miracle, like a non-believer, like a devil worshiper, like Mary Yugo and Keef who wants to destroy the faith at every turn.

Faith is beyond logic and reason, beyond proof and testing. It is the greatest achievement of the human heart; it is what makes the assent of man march inexorably forward..

Do you require more evidence to bolster your faith like doubting Thomas, a skeptic in the faith who refused to believe without direct personal experience, to plunge his suspicious fingers deep into the gaping wounds piercing the lifeless hands still flowing forth in the sacred blood as proof of the miracle that you so long hoped was possible?


You are demonstrating a total lack of faith, a faith in a process that will not be understood until you have long passed from this veil of tears. Faith has its rules too. there is no middle ground, in this matter. either you have the faith or you don’t; and you don’t and you probably never will.

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The explanation below is not very extensive, but is one I've heard, as an easy explanation that includes "faith".

Your car is not working correctly, so.....you ask a friend to recommend a mechanic.

Trust...you trust that your friend is giving you a sound recommendation, for a good auto mechanic/shop.

Faith....upon speaking with the mechanic (plus your friend's recommendation) you have faith he can fix your car.

Belief...when the mechanic calls you, saying the car is fixed, your belief is that it is indeed fixed.

Truth....only until you drive the car and see that it is fixed, do you find all the above to become a truth.

(this is by memory, I "trust" I got it correct.) ;)
 
Over-zealous?
Put me down as a Doubting Thomas then!


“Science literacy is a vaccine against the charlatans of the world that would exploit your ignorance.” -Neil deGrasse Tyson

Well, I guess it’s that season again. The charlatan who claims to have invented a cold fusion device — the same device whose flaws were exposed here two years ago — has just held an “independent test” of his device, and there’s now a physics paper out claiming that this device works, and must be powered by some type of nuclear reaction!
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http://scienceblogs.com/startswitha...-is-back-and-people-are-still-falling-for-it/

I DOUBT that it would be a good idea to purchase a franchise or license in any of the Cold Fusion companies that are touting their wares on the internet.
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