1. AluminumTheory

    AluminumTheory Senior Member

    http://nypost.com/2013/11/18/census-faked-2012-election-jobs-report/


    From a more conspiracy centric website....

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/...e-economic-lies-the-government-is-telling-you


    This will be probably gain traction pretty fast....

    But here is some info regarding how unemployment numbers are calculated.

    http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment_in_the_United_States#Obtaining_data

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_Population_Survey

     
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  2. Josh Heuer

    Josh Heuer Active Member

    This is pretty interesting stuff, is there something in particular you're trying to debunk?
     
  3. AluminumTheory

    AluminumTheory Senior Member

    Claims of evidence.

    More investigative at this point. Doesn't seem to much to verify at this point. But I suspect this will gain traction so it's worth keeping an eye on.
     
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  4. Joe

    Joe Senior Member

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  5. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    What's the actual story here? Some guy made up some numbers (more than twelve) to fill his quota, which might have made the results go slightly up, down, or stay the same?

    Seems like there's a lot of bunk simply being repeated in the OP. What's the actual individual claim of evidence?
     
  6. Joe

    Joe Senior Member

    We dont know we will have to wait for a investigation . Which means its unlikely we will ever know .
     
  7. Josh Heuer

    Josh Heuer Active Member

    The claim seems to be this...
    The Labor Department requires that each division of the Census hit a 90% quota of households (phone or door to door). Some sections were coming up short, and according to the whistleblower Julius Buckmon, who was in a division coming up short, he was told by higher ups to literally fake the remaining households that couldn't be reached, giving inaccurate results.
    It seems all we have at this point is Julius Buckmon's word.

    A couple points I took:
    There are supposedly more people than just Julius Buckmon doing this, although the amount is unknown. This is something time will tell.
    The higher ups who gave the order never specifically said to fill in the blanks one way or the other , employed or unemployed, etc. which to me says if they really are doing this, the conspiracy would shift towards some higher ups just trying to meet their 90% quotas in a dishonest manor, but not necessarily rigging it one way or another for some political reason.
     
  8. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    If people are faking data simply to meet their quota, they would generally just make the data look similar to the data they have already collected.

    So it would make the data less statistically valid, as it would be based on a smaller sample, but would not necessarily change the outcome.

    If someone wanted to change the outcome, a better way would simply be to tweak existing data at the collection stage.
     
  9. AluminumTheory

    AluminumTheory Senior Member

    Basically the claim is that Obama and or the Democratic party encouraged the census to falsify data to Make unemployment numbers to look better and win re election. I saw coverage of this on the news last night. And although info is limited at this time, I think is worth keeping an eye on because I'm sure there will be more 'info' to this story. From day one there have been CTs that claim Obama stole the 2012 election and this would end up bolstering those claims.
    Not taking a side on the issue here, but rigging numbers to win re election would be a serious charge, so I think it's worth looking into.
     
  10. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Problems with the claims have been pointed out elsewhere:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/ny-post-election-jobs-numbers-bls-obama-census-julius-buckmon-2013-11
    Weisanthal's piece does a very good job at looking at the actual figures, and not just some vague "whistleblower" rumors.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/report-on-unemployment-rate-being-faked-2013-11
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  11. Joe

    Joe Senior Member

    Does the report factor in the amount of people in the workforce ? Does it factor in if they are making the same salary ? Does it factor in weather or not they are part time ? Its just flawed Data
     
  12. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    The report uses statistical methods that are mandated by law. They are required to count things a certain way, so the figures are consistent from year to year, and so trends will be visible.
     
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  13. Bill

    Bill Senior Member

    The NY Post story doesn't lay the blame at the feet of either the Obama Administration or the Democratic Party. While Obama may have benefited from the actions, the blame is being place on bureaucrats padding numbers to meet their quotas and keep their jobs. The blog then takes the story and puts its own spin on it and attempts to sell all the panic oriented products around the article.
     
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  14. Joe

    Joe Senior Member

    Sure iv seen it for years and then a week later they come up with revised numbers when no one is paying attention . Like have a front page story then a week later in the middle they print a retraction .
     
  15. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

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  16. Joe

    Joe Senior Member

    Sure I trust the minister of propaganda or the government to tell me the truth ? http://www.people-press.org/2013/10/18/trust-in-government-interactive/ Much like Jay Carney when he was asked about this story he labeled it a conspiracy .
     
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  17. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    If someone (like, say, Glenn Beck) thought these figures were faked, then they could easily pay someone to do the same survey using the same methodology, and see if there's any statistical difference.

    They don't because they know it's going to be the same, and there's more milage to get from rumors than from actually figuring things out.
     
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  18. Joe

    Joe Senior Member

    It depends on who they call and where they call . very easy to manipulate
     
  19. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    And very easy to check if it is being manipulated. So why does Beck not check?
     
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  20. Bill

    Bill Senior Member

    Because it's easier to yell "the sky is falling" and sell they next wave of survival products than it is to actual do the research to prove the claim.
     
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  21. Tim TheToolman Coles

    Tim TheToolman Coles Active Member

    Time will tell as usual on these things. Many subjects that have been posted on the Blaze have eventually been picked up and confirmed by the Mainstream media(Finally), like that of the Benghazi scandal, and others have not.

    So, it is a crap shoot. Either they did fudge the numbers or not. At some point we might find out. With this administration, I would not put it past them.

    They seem to make the Nixon admin' look like choir boys. History will judge at some point in the future. One thing is for sure. That Hope and Change he spoke of is not exactly what many had hoped for, and to most of us, has been a horrible dream. :)

    That is about the extent I think I wish to get into when it comes to my views or opinions on politics. :)
     
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  22. Josh Heuer

    Josh Heuer Active Member

    So it's panning out to fall in the 'nothing as usual' category?
     
  23. Joe

    Joe Senior Member

    I didnt think it was Beck who exposed it . Darrell Issa wants a investigation but Im sure theyll stall that as well . If it comes out that its true its election fraud becuase our dear leader was using the data to get reelected so he can continue to destroy America
     
  24. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I think "mountain out of a molehill".
     
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