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  1. skephu

    Debunked: J. Marvin Herndon's "Geoengineering" Articles in Current Science (India) and IJERPH

    ...considered the whole set of data, and didn't create a graph of them. Herndon only seems to suggest that these values are high, although he doesn't compare them to anything that he would accept as "normal". I guess he is under the false impression that rainwater should contain no aluminum at all.
  2. Mick West

    Aluminium value in rainwater

    Rainwater essentially has random amounts of aluminum in it, depending on how much dust there is in it, and the type of dust. So there is no real "acceptable value". Plus the collection methods can have quite an impact. If done poorly then the majority of the aluminum can actually come from...
  3. Belfrey

    Debunked: "Rainwater Samples From Alachua County Florida Test Positive for Aluminum"

    He linked to the source in the OP: A preliminary study of the composition of rainwater in SE Ontario. It's one of many examples from the historical literature which show that the range of Al in rainwater being reported by chemtrails believers is generally similar to what has always occurred...
  4. skephu

    Debunked: J. Marvin Herndon's "Geoengineering" Articles in Current Science (India) and IJERPH

    ...samples. Then if we manage to develop a reliable classifier with low false positive/false negative rates, we can apply it to the rainwater and air samples. (It is doubtful, though, that such a classifier can be built as the composition of coal fly ash is so diverse that probably it cannot be...
  5. Miss VocalCord

    Aluminium value in rainwater

    ...analysed. What was the container he caught the water with? Where was the sample taken etc etc. I'm a little short in time right now, but here is another report (2007) on rainwater and certain elements present (all in Dutch) http://www.riool.net/documents/10180/2bae3a4e-95b2-4fcb-8246-c3a407b3af7d
  6. Trailblazer

    What would it take, and how much would it cost, to test a "chemtrail"

    ...that samples like this, which contains about 7 parts per BILLION of aluminium, and an order of magnitude less of barium and strontium, are touted as "proof of chemtrail contamination"... well, good luck...
  7. Leifer

    People still misunderstand units of measurements, percipitation, Al, Ba

    (title of video) My video recorded Barium Aluminium rainwater precipitation official test results test Defra, UK Well here are the test results from DEFRA`s own website and the Dept. of the Environment. WOW ! Speaks for itself. Seems like Easyjet, Ryan Air flying out of Ireland and a host of...
  8. SR1419

    J. Marvin Herndon's chemtrail letter to San Diego City Council

    Who knows?..."reportedly" could mean anything...Dane told him, he read it on the internet etc...As a scientist, you would think he would reference specific test results rather than rely on hearsay. As for cloud seeding- deliberate cloud seeding to enhance precipitation has nothing to do with...
  9. Hama Neggs

    Debunked: J. Marvin Herndon's "Geoengineering" Articles in Current Science (India) and IJERPH

    It's just a fancier and more complex version of the same old false claims about water and soil testing and that things like aluminum shouldn't be found there.
  10. MikeC

    Debunked: J. Marvin Herndon's "Geoengineering" Articles in Current Science (India) and IJERPH

    ...that the primary source of highly mobile aluminum is aerosolized coal fly ash. This suggestion is relatively easy to verify by taking rainwater samples and analysing them for aluminum, barium and strontium. If aerosolized coal fly ash is indeed verified as the major source of highly mobile...
  11. WeedWhacker

    Debunked: "Rainwater Samples From Alachua County Florida Test Positive for Aluminum"

    I believe it is true to say that in terms of "rainwater analysis" by amateurs? There is a serious lack of proper scientific control methods, to suggest any "result". I would encourage those who believe in some sort of "metal spraying" to conduct a proper scientific evaluation, that can be...
  12. tadaaa

    Debunked: J. Marvin Herndon's "Geoengineering" Articles in Current Science (India) and IJERPH

    the detailed science/math is way beyond me, but from your post in essence unless you know what "wrong (or right)" looks like, you can't ascertain what "right (or wrong)" looks like just sloppy science not establishing a baseline
  13. Trailblazer

    Debunked: Australian Rainwater "Chemtrail" test

    ...from New Zealand, which is used as "evidence" that metals are being sprayed from planes: http://chemtrailsnorthnz.wordpress.com/2013/12/17/rainwater-test-result-from-nelson-shows-aluminium-barium-strontium-present/ This time the units are grams per cubic metre. One cubic metre is 1,000...
  14. M Bornong

    Debunked: J. Marvin Herndon's "Geoengineering" Articles in Current Science (India) and IJERPH

    It looks like he might be publishing his evidence for coal ash, soon. https://www.facebook.com/j.marvin.herndon/posts/10206843485467289?pnref=story (his privacy setting is set for friends only)
  15. Belfrey

    Debunked: J. Marvin Herndon's "Geoengineering" Articles in Current Science (India) and IJERPH

    ...10 times higher than that shown in Herndon's first article: I notice that in this newer paper, Herndon used (unpublished?) analyses of rainwater from San Diego, rather than the sources used previously. I haven't had a chance to go through it in detail, but this stands out for me: First...
  16. MikeC

    More analysis of "rainwater" - New Zealand

    The latest report on rainwater from New Zealand shows 0.25g/m^3 - that's 1 parts per 4 million - which is high according to Northland New Zealand Chemtrails watch.
  17. Trailblazer

    Photos of trails over Switzerland [back to the 1970s] and Chemical Analysis of Jacuzzi Cover Water

    Oh dear. Don't these people understand that if you want to sample rainwater, you have to sample RAINWATER, by collecting it as it falls, in a CLEAN container? You can't sample it after it has collected on a jacuzzi cover which has God knows what kind of dust on it! Soil contains huge amounts of...
  18. skephu

    Debunked: Pilots Doctors and Scientists tell Truth about Chemtrails

    ...into the air while it burns. So yes, they could be measured, and something would be found. But we wouldn't know where it's coming from and what its effects are. Anyway, Wigington et al. would complain as they also complain about normal amounts of aluminum in rainwater. It would not prove...
  19. skephu

    Debunked: J. Marvin Herndon's "Geoengineering" Articles in Current Science (India) and IJERPH

    ...99% confidence intervals for the means, and performed a statistical test based on this. I can't reproduce what he did because he omits the rainwater data from his paper. But I can calculate the 99% confidence intervals for the means for the Moreno data. These are huge, and their lower limits...
  20. Efftup

    What would it take, and how much would it cost, to test a "chemtrail"

    ...so maybe they still sprayed but sprayed something else we didn't test for. and the myth of how there should be NONE of these things in the rainwater of course by another commenter. Interesting that Claire Swinney, the originator of the post or Ngaire Small who had the tests done didn't pop...
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