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Chomsky dispels 9/11 conspiracies with sheer logic [video]
On 9th March 2009 Sappers Patrick Azimkar and Mark Quincy of 38 Engineer Regiment were murdered in a terrorist attack at Massereen Barracks, Northern Ireland. They were shot with AKMs and two other soldiers and two civilians were wounded. But clearly it was a false-flag event Hiper as no-one... -
WTC 7 (Building 7)
But doesn't that indicate that the NIST was ultimately correct in choosing not to do so because independent tests indicated nothing conclusive that would warrant revisiting the situation? Do you think the NIST would have found anything different? You don't seem to trust them so if they found... -
Why don't Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth Fund Research?
Hmmmm . . . why would anyone test for explosives or accelerants??? maybe because it was a terrorist act . . . and terrorists are well known for staging an initial attack to draw in first responders and then traping them in a second or third attack, explosion, fire, etc . . . it is not like... -
"100 Critical Points About 9/11 "
Mick one can write 1000's of pages of report and still not though the key investigatory avenues... NIST shows it can be done... just omit the important stuff. Just a simple official test for accelerant & explosive residue would have sufficed. Very simple... it's not like we are asking them... -
Chomsky dispels 9/11 conspiracies with sheer logic [video]
I do not defend the 'government version', I just see no value of any sort for testing for something that is clearly not present. The explosive avenue is a dead end, pursued only by people that have no understanding or experience of explosives. Your unnecessary slur against me was not on any... -
WTC 7 (Building 7)
The investigation i presume you mean...yes. http://ocio.os.doc.gov/s/groups/public/@doc/@os/@ocio/@oitpp/documents/content/prod01_004108.pdf "NIST has stated that it found no corroborating evidence to suggest that explosives where used to bring down the buildings"... -
WTC 7 (Building 7)
But if the collapse could not have been caused by fire, then the investigation would have revealed that, and they could have tested for explosives at that point. But how much explosives are we talking about here, that you could detect in in the dust? A hundred tons? -
"100 Critical Points About 9/11 "
It's really a lot simpler that you make out. I don't think there was a good reason to test for explosive residue, but you do. You think it's significant that no steel was available to test (for something), but I don't. Now we can argue over those points. However you are ALSO using that as an... -
Why hasn't the U.S. mainstream media reported on the claim that nanothermite was found in WTC dust?
Conspiracy theorist James Fetzer has his doubts. If the pro controlled demolition community are unconvinced, is is reasonable to say that it's a non story to the media? http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/has-nanothermite-been-oversold-to-911.html Sunday, May 1, 2011 Has...- Melbury's Brick
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- Forum: 9/11
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WTC 7 (Building 7)
There was nothing for NIST to choose in the first place... genuine scientific research has fixed steps to follow when acquiring evidence. NIST should have been the first to do test tests. It did not. If they would have scientifically investigated the dust and the steel there wouldn't be much... -
WTC 7 (Building 7)
There is a good chance they did in fact test the dust... and found thermate residue in it. What would be their options at that point? A) make public and go against the government narrative B) stick to the "there was no evidence to merit a testing of the dust" fig leaf. -
Does NIST not testing for explosives and not testing WTC7 steel invalidate everything
Some truthers suggest that because NIST does not test for explosives then this means that the NIST report is unscientific, and so nothing it contains should be believed. The same argument is made about the steel. I think there's plenty of science in the NIST reports (most of it really) that... -
WTC 7 (Building 7)
That is a good point but if they said that, there is the danger of a whistleblower or peer review request on 'actual samples'. So perhaps it is safer simply not to test... no point lieing if you don't have to and if you do have to, keep it as close to the truth as possible. -
WTC 7 (Building 7)
I think you misunderstand how thermite burns. The reaction really is quite rapid, and a great deal of energy is released in a way that could easily be described as 'explosive'. When one reaches a solid conclusion while failing to consider all the pertinent data/evidence, it's entirely... -
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The Uniqueness of the WTC7 Collapse
Yes. Unlike others on this thread, I'm not the sort of person that denies what can be seen in the video evidence. Do we agree that there is a remarkable degree of symmetry to the descent of the exterior that follows? I don't know. The first thing I'd do to look for answers, if I was leading an...- jomper
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- Forum: 9/11
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WTC 7 (Building 7)
If high order damage is present the national standards for fire and explosive investigations calls for testing for accelerants & explosive residue. Very simple really. Even if fire would be the most logical cause of collapse they still would have had to test for accelerants & explosive residue... -
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Does NIST not testing for explosives and not testing WTC7 steel invalidate everything
You don't find what you don't look for. Alternative hypotheses are to be eliminated in the scientific method, as NFPA 921 indicates. Apart from FEMA, as noted upthread. No. I'm insisting NFPA guidelines should have been followed, and I'm pointing out that NIST greatly loses credibility for...- jomper
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- Forum: 9/11
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Chomsky dispels 9/11 conspiracies with sheer logic [video]
Yeah "wir haben es nicht gewusst". If you have read your history you should now that was just an excuse, it would become the excuse of the 20th century. Even a couple of university students figured out what was happening. Another example..there is a wealth of evidence in plain sight of the... -
"100 Critical Points About 9/11 "
You are talking about the remaining physical evidence from the terrorist crime of the century. I give weight to physical evidence... you give weight to the opposite namely speculation what went on in a building that totally collapsed. If you want to engage in an honest conversation you have... -
WTC 7 (Building 7)
So you think we perceive facts differently? I don't see how the fact of the existence of the national standards guide for fire & explosive investigations (nfpa 921) can be perceived in more than one way. Neither can I see the fact of NIST's evasion of certain basic guidelines as to be...