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  • Z.W. Wolf
    Another issue. I think there's a good chance that these are frame captures from a video taken well after the incident. I haven't found that video but this is a similar one. (Can't embed video directly.) Some of the shots appear to have been...
  • Z.W. Wolf
    A different question... Is that really an unsecured and lidless glass of water sitting on a shelf? The photos are low resolution and full of compression artifacts. You can convince yourself that you're seeing an unsecured glass and what appears...
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  • Z.W. Wolf
    From the OP: Here is the problem: when a massive commercial airplane plummets 17,000 feet in less than two minutes, it is a violent, terrifying freefall. It isn't a smooth ride. In a real nosedive, gravity goes out the window. Unsecured bags...
  • MonkeeSage
    I have seen a claim that the lack of deployed oxygen masks means it must have been faked. Can no longer find a source, but let me refute it anyway. First, if there should have been oxygen mask deploying, a hoaxer would have included them...
  • Ann K
    Conspiracy theories again? I think it's more likely that they caught a fleeting glimpse of something ambiguous, didn't have time to take a photo, and described it with far more precision than it warranted. Perhaps it grew in the retelling, like...
  • NorCal Dave
    From the OP: Here is the problem: when a massive commercial airplane plummets 17,000 feet in less than two minutes, it is a violent, terrifying freefall. It isn't a smooth ride. In a real nosedive, gravity goes out the window. Unsecured bags...
  • JMartJr
    I have seen a claim that the lack of deployed oxygen masks means it must have been faked. Can no longer find a source, but let me refute it anyway. First, if there should have been oxygen mask deploying, a hoaxer would have included them...
  • M
    Then where are the photos and videos?
  • M
    False flags are possible, but in today's on-line world you can be sure that claims will be posted within minutes of any story about a mass shooting, terrorist attack, airplane/train/bus crash anywhere in the world. There is, I suspect, a bragging...
  • Ann K
    From the OP: Here is the problem: when a massive commercial airplane plummets 17,000 feet in less than two minutes, it is a violent, terrifying freefall. It isn't a smooth ride. In a real nosedive, gravity goes out the window. Unsecured bags...
  • RTM
    From the OP: Here is the problem: when a massive commercial airplane plummets 17,000 feet in less than two minutes, it is a violent, terrifying freefall. It isn't a smooth ride. In a real nosedive, gravity goes out the window. Unsecured bags...
  • John J.
    From the OP: Here is the problem: when a massive commercial airplane plummets 17,000 feet in less than two minutes, it is a violent, terrifying freefall. It isn't a smooth ride. In a real nosedive, gravity goes out the window. Unsecured bags...
  • Ravi
    From the OP: Here is the problem: when a massive commercial airplane plummets 17,000 feet in less than two minutes, it is a violent, terrifying freefall. It isn't a smooth ride. In a real nosedive, gravity goes out the window. Unsecured bags...
  • J
    From the OP: Here is the problem: when a massive commercial airplane plummets 17,000 feet in less than two minutes, it is a violent, terrifying freefall. It isn't a smooth ride. In a real nosedive, gravity goes out the window. Unsecured bags...
  • Mendel
    From the OP: Here is the problem: when a massive commercial airplane plummets 17,000 feet in less than two minutes, it is a violent, terrifying freefall. It isn't a smooth ride. In a real nosedive, gravity goes out the window. Unsecured bags...
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