It might be held up on the same DOPSR desk as the historical AARO report. Or did I miss something?
Yeah I’ve seen somewhere on the bonkers place that is twitter / X that it’s still with DOPSR. Although the AARO report has been supposedly been given to Congress this week and is due out to the public v soon so maybe means Grusch’s will be signed off soon. Should be interesting anyway.
Grusch has laid low in the mainstream since the story broke about his mental health and alcohol issues. He's appeared on some podcasts and talked at events, but they have been partisan in nature where he's among friends/supporters. Think his handlers would let him do a podcast with Mick?
Can you link to those reports, please?
For posterity, AARO report thread: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/aaros-historical-uap-report-volume-1.13375/
https://www.theblackvault.com/docum...epeated-attempts-to-engage-with-david-grusch/
Timeline of AARO’s Attempts to Engage David Grusch:
- June 8-13, 2023: Initial contact was made with known associates of Grusch, urging them to have him speak with AARO. These efforts were clarified during dialogues between AARO’s Director and individuals close to Grusch.
- June 26, 2023: AARO staff reached out directly for Grusch’s contact details and extended an interview invitation, which Grusch declined.
- June 28, 2023: After Grusch’s congressional testimony, AARO sought any verifiable information he might have shared with Congress.
- July 27, 2023: Further attempts to arrange an interview through another associate of Grusch, who was meeting him the following day.
- October 6, 2023: A secure call was made to encourage Grusch to participate in a formal interview.
- November 10, 2023: Grusch agreed to be interviewed on November 14, after Congressional staff urged his cooperation.
- November 14, 2023: Grusch failed to appear at the scheduled interview, expressing doubts about AARO’s authorization to handle classified information.
- November 19, 2023: AARO contacted Grusch again, reiterating their authorization and inviting him to discuss his claims, which he declined.
- January 8, 2024: AARO provided additional documentation to address Grusch’s concerns about confidentiality and classification handling, maintaining a standing invitation for an interview.
It appears to me that Grusch has systematically avoided talking to AARO despite publicly claiming that he would like to, and that they have not contacted him. His main excuse appears to be that they have not assured to his satisfaction that AARO is truly authorized to receive this information from him, and that he would be in legal jeopardy if he did so. That seems like a wild claim, given the rather broad protection given by SEC. 1663 of the 2023 NDAA. Also, see the final document of the FOIA pdf for a memorandum from the director of the DoD Special Access Program restating that AARO can receive the information.
The All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) extended multiple invitations to Mr.
David Grusch for the purpose of conducting an oral history interview in support of the
Congressionally directed Historical Record Report (HRR). Invitations, both direct and through
intermediaries, to interview Mr. Grusch regarding his claimed knowledge of U.S. Government
possession of extra-terrestrial material and reverse-engineering programs were met with negative
results.
To me, all of this is blatant evidence of Grusch's bad faith. He refuses the meet with AARO even to discuss his supposed concerns. He's practically been begging for a mechanism to disclose UAP information to the public (or at least congress), but refuses to engage with the mechanism created to start do exactly that.Individuals with current or previous access to Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP)-related information which is subject to a USG Nondisclosure Agreement are authorized to provide this otherwise protected information to AARO representatives. AARO personnel are authorized to receive this information pursuant to Section 1673 [sic] of the National Defense Authorization Act(NDAA) for Fiscal Year (FY) 2023.
Article: Ms. LUNA. OK. On the 19th of April, Dr. Kirkpatrick, head of AARO, had said that he did not find any evidence of UAPs. You also stated that you had—in your interview that you briefed him on information that you were uncovering but that he did not followup with you. Were the items that you divulged to him pertinent to national security?
Mr. GRUSCH. Yes. Him and I had a classified conversation in April 2022 before he took over AARO in July 2022 and I provided him some concerns I had.
Ms. LUNA. Do you know why he might not have followed up with you?
Mr. GRUSCH. Unfortunately, I cannot read his mind. I wish he did. I was happy to give sage counsel to him on where to look when he took the helm of AARO.
While he's kept a relatively low profile, Grusch hasn't been hiding. He been on a smattering of podcast since last fall and has also given some presentations outside the USG. I know I've read at least a couple articles about these presentations, but here's the only one I could find.
https://www.unexplained-mysteries.c...grusch-allegedly-held-secret-talk-in-new-yorkNow according to an anonymous attendee, Grusch recently gave a secret talk in New York to a group of investors, CIA and FBI officials, tech entrepreneurs and other prominent individuals.
Journalists have seemingly since confirmed that the event actually did take place and that it was hosted by Coinbase advisor John D'Agostino and attorney John J. Altorelli.
Not "March or April", January or February!
@Duke being prophetic regarding the Op-Ed, back in January.
"Secret" means "exclusive", it wasn't secret at all, if it was this one:
https://thedebrief.org/the-sol-foun...plying-cutting-edge-research-the-uap-mystery/
According to Grusch’s résumé, he had served since May 2023 as the Sol Foundation’s Chief Operating Officer (COO), an organization described on the document as “The premier center for research in the natural and social sciences, engineering, and the humanities” which “also extends activities to advisory and policy work for the U.S. government/public outreach.”
During our interview, The Debrief inquired with Nolan and Skafish about Grusch’s résumé, as well as his current position with the Foundation, and was told that the whistleblower’s title has since changed to Senior Founding Advisor, rather than Chief Operating Officer.
“Dave was instrumental in helping us establish the foundation,” Nolan told The Debrief. “And really he has a lot more to contribute.”
“His coming forward publicly was a game changer for the premise of what the Sol Foundation will accomplish in terms of why a professional foundation like Sol must be there to shape policy and academic goals,” Nolan added.
“His impact, as everybody can see, has been tremendous, and the landscape has moved so quickly that in discussions with him, we’ve decided that he will remain as he was before—a Senior Founding Advisor—as we collectively change and shape the goals of the Foundation and [its] directions.”
Nolan told The Debrief that Grusch’s title of Chief Operating Officer, as reflected on the version of his résumé that appeared on the Congressional website, had been an accurate representation of his involvement at the time the document was created.
(Sorry Curious George, I somehow missed your post until @Mendel quoted it here.)
I would note the forms of access Grusch would've had towards tracking and monitoring here, we're very unlikely to find out about. There's not going to be very many people with access to public variations of the sorts of sensors places like NRO uses, a lot of it doesn't really have public variations of the sort. A lot of these similarly you can't disclose the specifics of because it would tell our adversaries their vulnerabilities and the potential correlated risks, and we'd have to make new versions of the sensors to achieve the exact same purpose (which is a massive cost sink).
(Oh, and to David Grusch... in this instance anyway).This one particularly upset me, the presentation. I don't understand why David can disclose this information to VIPs of all types (both rich and some ranking military/intelligence members at that meeting) but he cant give everybody else the same presentation? We all saw the pictures, he gave a presentation, didn't that look groovy? I thought it did, why cant we get a look at that presentation? I want some of that private tracking UAPs too, but I think its safe to say we all want to know some of that private tracking UAP business whatever it ends up being.
So from the cited "Debrief" article, Grusch was the COO of the Sol Foundation from May 23 to NLT Sept 23 (date of "Debrief" article), during which at some point his title was changed to "Senior Founding Advisor." If you look at their website now, Grusch is not listed among the Foundation's "people," either as part of leadership or as an advisor.
Aah, I had read it as Mr. Grusch saying he was now part of a secret UAP tracking program, as a private citizen.
@Tezcatlipoca's interpretation (that Grusch was referring to his military / intel career) clearly makes more sense.
B*ll*cks.
Apologies for my post #580.
Did AARO even exist in April 2022? Was Kirkpatrick associated with AARO before July 2022? What did Grusch say to Kirkpatrick in April 2022? Did Grusch even speak to Kirkpatrick in April 2022? Why did he go to Kirkpatrick? I wish it made more sense and Congress would have asked tougher and more probing questions. The first question from Luna is so vague.
I figured it out I think. They WERE established in CA - dissolved and reestablished in CA. I found the SoS website listing for them in CA. ANNND Grusch was listed in the initial documents filed in 7/7/2023.
The Sol website claim the Foundation was established in CA in Aug 23.
https://thesolfoundation.org/launch-announcement/Palo Alto, CA – August 15, 2023 – Today marks the launch of the Sol Foundation, a new think tank that has been established to research the philosophical, policy, and scientific implications of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
probably just a repeat of the same stuff he's been saying all along.
become a investor for SOL. money talks.
Given how these guys usually talk... Understandable.Aah, I had read it as Mr. Grusch saying he was now part of a secret UAP tracking program, as a private citizen.
@Tezcatlipoca's interpretation (that Grusch was referring to his military / intel career) clearly makes more sense.
B*ll*cks.
Apologies for my post #580.
I think what you say is actually a mix of all three, and still semi-reflective of the statement here.
Yeah that's my guess. I just find it interesting that Grusch doesn't seem to be involved anymore.
One of these is not like the others.
Interestingly in that regard, John Greenewald has also received FOIA documents from DOD IG related to their 2021 probe of what steps the DOD had taken to study UAP, during which they interviewed David Grusch. During the interview Grusch is directly quoted as saying he "has been studying UAPs for 15 years" which would show prior interest, contrary to his public statements that he was not interested in UAP until Jay Stratton asked him to identify SAPs/CAPs for UAPTF in 2019.
Article: (U) Purpose
1. (U) The purpose of this work paper is to document our interview with Major David Grusch on July 12, 2021.
2. (U) We interviewed Major Grusch to determine whether he could provide background information that might be relevant to our evaluation.
3. (U) The Overall classification of this meeting was at the TOP SECRET//TK//NOFORN level due to the vulnerabilities, subject matter discussed, and potential compilation of information. [...]
(U) Scope:
1. (U) The stated objective of the project is to determine what actions the DoD has taken in regard to UAP reporting and policies. The scope of this interview is to determine what efforts DARPA has published, developed, received, and implemented that is associated with UAP sightings and events. [...]
A. Summary of Interview: [...]
2. (U) Major Grusch stated that [REDACTED]. He stated that he “has been studying UAPs for 15 years” and that he serves as the NRO liaison to the UAP Task Force.
Article: ON RECORD COMMENT: "The DoD IG FOIA release to BlackVault today highlights an organization proposal to succeed UAPTF that myself and my colleagues developed on our own time before the AARO office was created. Not only did I brief DoD IG Evaluations team on this proposal, but I also presented the same chart deck to Sen Harry Reid in April 2021 in a personal capacity for his guidance.
He was very enthusiastic on the idea of a National Space Lab to receive records and UAP material from executive branch agencies who would then federate it out to academia and other partners in a whole of government approach. He was going to use the OSAR proposal as a basis of his next discussion with President Biden.
The interview reports that I've been studying UAP for 15 years, I have not and may have misconstrued my total time in uniformed service (cadet+commissioned officer) at the time." - David Grusch
Whilst you are more than likely correct, dont you think "UAP tracking" is groovy IF its not something we have heard before? It might be a little too wild for most people to get excited about. But thats pretty groovy to me, new threads to pull on as well, but David went to a tailor too quickly. Maybe I am just too hopeful, I like to be fair to people even after they give me NO reason to be fair to them (I.E David Grusch). We have more than likely heard it before, just like everything else said so far. But in saying that, I want to see it in full. I want to know what he said to those rich people and intelligence, because I think the below comment could be a winner.
This above would make a lot of sense to me if David was looking for investors. It would also make sense why he wouldn't give this presentation to anybody else.
not really. hasnt SETI been scanning for signals since...a long long time?
kinda sounds like this D'agostino guy just has monthly "cool stuff" gatherings for his friends. Like a monthly book club but the book comes to you, instead of having to read it. or like personal Ted Talks for rich people. i guess it could be like monthly "Shark Tank" presentations, though.
Signals are kind of boring though and from what I have heard they haven't found anything, what David said had to do with tracking UAPs around Earth which was a new one for me, and based on the slides that were shown it looked like he had a lot to say on the topic and I want to know what it was.
Another really good theory. That is something people with money and influence do, especially considering who was in attendance, that theory is as likely as the other.
this one? (those are just stock image photos on the right there. i yandex imaged search them as i was wondering if they were from elizondos slide show.)
You were right, I was mistaken, pictures and videos were banned at the event, so only a 1-3 made it through, I could have sworn I saw a screen that had details about UAP tracking but it doesnt really matter, so I will accept I mistook it for this post about that same event, where the person goes into detail on reddit about what he heard at the event, all information below. I found them not long ago when I was trying to collate all the "first hand experience" comments, and this was thread was one of the posts. You speak of Elizondos slides, its possible i mixed the 2 up. Although most of what he is bringing is all old, bunk or both, the fact that we know so little about this so-called UFO tracking system interests me, and I want to see this through because so far its the only new thing I have heard from Grusch.
seems to me the thank you page is saying "sol foundation.org" (i can only see the "tion.org, but looks like David C. Grusch co-founder)
