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I have decided to add some reader e-mail which I feel
adds to the argument. Below are some of my favorites. Yes,
they are one sided, just like the ones on conspiracy
theorist sites. I will be updating this page periodically.
Dear Sir or Madam,
Recently, a friend of mine sent me a
link to the now-famous "documentary"
Loose Change. After watching about
fifteen minutes of it, I had to stop
the video, as I was becoming
physically ill from watching it. The
reason for the knot in my stomach
was not the sudden realization that
the Bush administration had
knowingly led nearly three thousand
of my fellow countrymen to their
fiery deaths - it was because I
realized that even liberal cynics
(amongst whom I often count myself)
can be raging morons.
First, I offer a little background
information on myself. I am a 25
year old theater director living in
Chicago (raised in New York). I was
educated at one of the top 20
liberal arts schools in the country,
where I graduated with honors with a
degree in performance theory. My
parents (a tax lawyer and an English
teacher) taught me to make decisions
a) for myself, and
B) based on corroborated evidence. Thus, I am loath
to blindly accept "facts" peddled by
news sources owned by the likes of
Rupert Murdoch, Ted Turner, et
cetera. Thankfully, I am equally
loath to blindly accept "facts"
peddled by self-aggrandizing fear
merchants such as the makers of
Loose Change. My background is not
in physics, structural engineering,
or emergency response theory and
execution. My background is in
theater, which is exactly what the
9/11 conspiracy theorists are
creating. Without getting too deeply
into performance theory, I will
simply say that it is my job to
craft compelling lies that will fool
a group of people into thinking that
they have experienced something that
they have not. An actor dies
onstage, and if I've done my job,
the audience will believe in this
death, albeit only for the time that
they are in the theater. The only
difference I see between what I do
and what the creators of these
conspiracies have done is the fact
that somehow, they've convinced
their audience that the actor is
still dead after the curtain falls.
I believe it was PT Barnum who said,
"nobody ever went broke
underestimating the intelligence of
the American public."
In the spirit of fair play, I
eventually watched all of Loose
Change and visited several "9/11
Truth" websites in order to fully
understand their claims. The more I
read, the more infuriated I became.
With such tripe circulating the
public consciousness, is the
vilification, nay, demonification of
the Left any surprise at all? How
can we defend ourselves when these
fools have made it not only
possible, but PROBABLE that the
revelation of Liberal leanings will
be met with, "Oh, so I bet you think
that 9/11 was a government
conspiracy." My vitriol soon gave
way to a burning desire to have the
factual evidence to refute my
various friends who are foolhardy
enough to buy into "scholars'"
claims of wrongdoing on the part of
the government, and it was at this
point that I came across your
website. I began reading at about
11:30 this evening, and finished
about 2:00 in the morning.
Admittedly, there was a lot of
technical detail that I, as someone
with limited scientific knowledge,
could not follow, but that does not
change the fact that it reinforced
what common sense dictates: the Bush
administration, despite their
horrible opportunism, did not
engineer the 9/11 disaster. Did they know that we
were going to be attacked at some
point? Probably. Did they knowingly
weaken our terror response and
prevention initiatives? It's
possible. Did they plant a bunch of
thermite charges in the World Trade
Center, then blame it on Islamic
Fundamentalists? I'd have to be a
grade-A idiot to believe that.
I think that the most lucid argument
in favor of common sense comes from
Noam Chomsky in the clip you linked.
His argument that unexpected events
take place even in meticulously
controlled scientific experiments
had deep resonance, and immediately
made me consider the following:
Given the fact that "scholars"
believe that unexplained phenomena
are evidence that the towers were
not destroyed for the reasons given
by every scientific body that
undertakes the study must also mean
that they don't believe in
Penicillin or Radium, both of which
were unintentional discoveries that
arose from experiments attempting to
prove hypotheses unrelated to said
discoveries. Must be tough being a
"scholar," not being able to use
antibiotics or get X-rays and all.
But my real reason for writing is
thus: as a theater professional, I'd
like to shed some light on one of
the more subversive tactics used by
conspiracy theorists to prove their
9/11 agendas, specifically by the
makers of Loose Change. The tactic
is the use of what we call a "Play
World," that is, an alternate
reality wherein the events of a play
can be seen as truthful depictions
of events and people. The benefit of
a Play World is that it does not
require a grounding in actual
reality as long as the aberrant
reality of the play is maintained.
Take, for example, Shakespeare's
"The Tempest." It's the rare moron
who'd believe that Shakespeare was
documenting actual magical events on
some island inhabited by spirits and
monsters. Yet, we accept the basis
of this alternate reality as part of
the experience, meaning that he
doesn't need to provide systematic
evidence to prove the existence of
this fictitious island or its
inhabitants.
What the creators of these
conspiracies have done, the makers
of Loose Change in particular, is
choose a Play World that is nearly
inscrutable from our own. The basis
for their alternate reality is that
the United States government is an
omniscient and omnipotent entity, a
machine so well-oiled and organized
that elaborate conspiracies fall
into place like clockwork (a side
note - interesting that these are
the same people who daily flaunt the
incompetence of the current
administration, isn't it?). They've
chosen their Play World well - it's
generally considered to be an
un-disprovable "truth of the world"
that we'll never know the inner
workings of the government. Even
better, it doesn't require any
factual or experiential evidence to
corroborate such a claim - they're
able to argue that while our daily
lives continue unchanged, this
malevolent, shadowy force is
constantly conspiring in the
background. Thus, they've created a
perfect stage upon which to bilk the
misinformed and intellectually lazy.
Given the striking resemblance that
their Play World bears to actual
reality, it's no wonder that so many
people have bought into their
fallacious arguments and outrageous
claims. Were they to have instead
asserted that 9/11 was the result of
an interplanetary war between space
chickens and a highly intelligent
shade of the color blue (a la
Douglas Adams), I doubt they'd make
nearly as much money in donations
and DVD sales. Part of the problem
is that their Play World contains
aspects of reality within it. We're
all aware of government involvement
in such "conspiracies" as the
Chilean debacle of the 60's and
70's, the Iran/Contra scandal, et
cetera. There IS EVIDENCE to point
to the fact that we are not informed
of all the government's wheelings
and dealings, but to point to this
as evidence that 9/11 was engineered
by the Bush administration is
essentially the same as asserting
that the world ceases to exist when
we close our eyes. "Well, I can't
see anything." No duh, pal. You've
got your eyes closed. They're using
microcosmic examples of corruption
to retroactively prove a point,
banging square pegs into round holes
all the while.
Add to this the compounding effect
of the human drama of 9/11. If
there's one thing that will blind an
audience to reality, it's emotion.
We leave our cognitive faculties
behind in instances of extreme
duress - it happens every day. Were
my girlfriend to suddenly break up
with me, I doubt my first thought
would be on how to objectively
assess the causes of such an event.
It doesn't take an enormous leap of
imagination to understand the impact
of 3,000+ deaths and the violent,
unanticipated destruction of a
national landmark on the human
psyche. The maelstrom of emotional
confusion rages, and out of the
disarray, an immensely entertaining
and seemingly compelling argument
arises at a time when most Americans
are struggling to believe in
something....ANYTHING. It's a cold,
calculated maneuver, and truth be
told, I almost respect them for
their theatrical ingenuity. I'd be a
world famous director were I able to
pull off a fleece job like that. Uh
oh...I said "pull." That must mean
that I was the one who ordered the
demolition of WTC 7, right?
The final aspect of this piece of
theater is the basic need of
entertainment. We NEED outrageous
stories and intricate timelines of
events to pull us away from the
tedium of daily life, and there is
no better entertainment than human
misery. It allows us to rail against
the unfairness of the world as it
is, and yet remain safely at home,
doing very little to change the
nature of our situation. The more
intricate and outlandish the the
story, the more attention it garners
- not because there's any truth to
it whatsoever, but because it's
immensely entertaining. This is also
compounded by the fact that the
"scholars" have, in addition to
choosing the perfect play world,
have also chosen the perfect target.
Half the country hated Bush long
before 9/11, and the "scholars" have
supplied us with a tale that a) has
blood, guts, explosions and
clandestine dealings and
B) allows us to blame the whole thing on Bush. That makes for some
pretty great television.
I'll end my letter here, as it is
now 4:00 in the morning and I fear
my objectivity may be giving way to
plain old idiot-bashing. Before I
close, however, I'd like to thank
you again for crusading for REAL
truth in the face of unabashed
sensationalism. I hope my comments
have been enlightening. Feel free to
use this email in part or in its
entirety on your website. Any
dissenters are welcome to contact me
at
juxdefinitely@yahoo.com .
Sincerely,
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To:
debunk911@hotmail.com
Subject: ASP claim of 462
interceptions before 9/11? Is it
refuted?
Your web site is great. Thanks for
doing all that hard work.
I am also reading the Popular
Mechanics “Debunking The 9/11 Myths
- Mar. 2005 Cover Story”
In that article they said that only
1 flight had been intercepted before
9/11. Yet the ASP seems to claim
that 462 interceptions occurred.
Popular Mechanics apparently made
the statement that there was only 1
intercept.
Would you care to help me understand
this a bit better please?
Yours Sincerely,
-----Original Message-----
From: Debunking 911
[mailto:debunk911@hotmail.com]
Subject: RE: ASP claim of 462
interceptions before 9/11? Is it
refuted?
First, you/they are wrong, it
doesn't say NORAD intercepted planes
462 times. It says AFTER Sept 11
they " SCRAMBLED or DIVERTED" jets,
Air force jets 462 times. It also
says they Scrambled jets 67 times
before Sept 11. It doesn't say they
caught up to any of them as in
"Intercepted".
That conspiracy site is feeding
people lies. They're lying "in plain
sight" Read it again...
From Sept. 11 to June, [edit - Read:
post 9/11] NORAD scrambled jets or
diverted combat air patrols 462
times, [edit- that happened after
9/11 Obviously they changed the way
they do things because of 9/11]
almost seven times as often as the
67 scrambles from September 2000 to
June 2001 [edit - Read: pre 9/11.
They scrambled or diverted air force
jets but that doesn't mean they
caught any.], Martin said.
Hope that helps...
Best Regards
D911
Reader
Thanks for clearing that one up for
me. I felt that either the article
was wrong or I was not reading it
right. I see now that the conspiracy
site says that some of these were
intercepts, but that is speculation
as you have pointed out from the
very facts cited in the article
itself.
Thanks for setting me straight.
Best Regards,
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How conspiracy theories hurt real people.
My husband started with the 9/11
Truth bandwagon. I will try to spare
you the details, because we our
situation is probably pretty
typical. He is a 9/11 conspiracy
nut, I am not. I found your site
some months ago and tried to show
him the real truth, but nothing will
convince him. We are in marital
counseling now. This is not our only
problem, but it is a big part of it.
I write to you to ask if you have
any advice on how to bring somebody
back once they have obviously
flipped like he has. Our counselor,
a Psychologist (PhD), has told me
that we are better off not trying
that route because it is very
difficult. I am hoping that with
your extensive knowledge and
experience with these people, you
might have some advice. Please, my
situation is real and I am pretty
desperate for help.
_________________________
Any advice?
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Eyewitness research into
crash
Sent: Mon 9/10/07 7:07 AM
To: debunk911@hotmail.com
Since shortly after 9/11, I have maintained a "Personal September 11
Page." I was an eyewitness to
the second twin tower crash,
standing
at Battery Place. I had
self-evacuated from my workplace at
2 Broadway, and was standing next to
a colleague at the time. Rumor
on the street was that the entire
top of the first hit tower may have
been blown off, and I was staring
very intently at WTC 1 to determine
if that was correct. I could
glimpse, through the smoke, the rest
of the tower above the fire line,
and I was pointing at the tower,
concentrating very closely on the
scene, when the second plane came
over my shoulder and slipped into
the second tower. Along with
many others, I screamed, ran, and
went into some form of shock.
My symptoms in the days, months and
years to follow included acute
traumatic stress syndrome,
post-traumatic stress syndrome,
pneumonia
(after I returned to work at 2
Broadway) and chronic bronchitis
(what
my pulmonologist and others have
come to refer to as "World Trade
Center cough"). I created the
website initially as a way to stop
reliving the event - when anyone
learned that I was an eyewitness
(from a position South of the
towers, rare for the metropolitan
region), they would inevitably (and,
due to their natural curiosity,
somewhat insensitively) ask me to
recount my experiences, and I found
it convenient to merely direct them
to read what was on the website.
I am involved in new music (what
used to be called "contemporary
classical music"), a very small but
tight-knit group within the vast
world of musics, and I took the lead
in organizing and publicizing a
survivors' message board. An
e-mail posting of mine was used,
without my permission, as the lead
in "21st Century Music" magazine
(now defunct), and I would at times
refer to myself as "the 9/11
poster boy for new music" (Eve
Beglarian being the "poster girl")
due
to my many post-9/11 activities and
writings.
As a professional musician, a
composer and performer, I have been
struggling for 6 years to complete a
song cycle, "September 11
Songs," of which 3 of 4 are
completed (and been performed in
various
venues). My "September 11
Songs" are not philosophical or
political
or a requiem for the dead, but are
autobiographical, an attempt for
me to try to express my own
experience and emotions relating to
my
living through (and with) the trauma
of 9/11. If there is an
element
of self-promotion in this corner of
my website, it is inevitable, and
my conscious intention is certainly
not to exploit myself. On the
contrary, I have been working on
biographical and autobiographical
forms of new music-theater my entire
life (others working in my genre
have had their work labeled as "CNN
operas"), and have felt chosen to
create this work, although a series
of enormous emotional blocks have
still, so far, kept me from putting
the final touches on the one
incomplete "September 11 Song"
(actually the third in the cycle),
which deals directly with the
eyewitness experience at the center
of my trauma.
On 6/7/2007 I received an e-mail
from a (edited) asking about my
belief that the "CNN video" was shot
by a tourist "20 paces" behind me.
He added some nonsense about the
video being shot from the Hudson,
and asked whether the cameraman was
"part of a TV crew." He
pointed me towards a disturbing GIF
that had been created from the
so-called "Michael Hezarkhani" video
(I
have no way of knowing the name of
the actual source of the video).
I attempted to explain to him the
basis for my statement, and used
some crude tools (Google Earth and
Google Maps) to spell it out for
him.
Over two months later I was in
Battery Park with my children and
attempted to take some photographs
to further justify my
claim. There were problems,
and I returned again a couple of
weeks
later to take some more photographs.
Then I created a new page on my
website explicating my findings.
It was then that I learned that the
"9/11 Truth" movement was performing
some kind of nonsensical
frame-by-frame analysis of the
video, which they referred to as the
"ghost plane" video. I found
this highly disturbing and added
some
choice words to my website. I
was also distressed that (edited)
completely ignored my detailed
response to him.
I found a link to your page. I
have read your FAQ, and
believe it is appropriate to offer
you a link to my page. The new
page, titled, "Where Was I
Exactly?", is at
<http://www.geocities.com/bdrogin/battery.html>.
"My Personal
September 11 Page" is at
<http://www.geocities.com/bdrogin/war.html>.
Unlike you, I have
taken the risk of not being
anonymous in my writings, and my
e-mail
address is not private. Two of
my children's grandparents are
Holocaust survivors (on my ex-wife's
side), and many of my relatives
on my father's side perished in the
Holocaust, and I understand the
importance of them to speak out as
witnesses and debunk the horrible
Holocaust denial "movement."
The subjects of groupthink,
propaganda,
paranoia, and what you call "logical
fallacy" have been life-long
interests of mine, and are a primary
subtext under one of my most
famous pieces, "Alamo!" completed in
1998 (it took me seven years to
finish). My 1985 "Typhoid
Mary" also relates to these subjects
(it
will be available on CD soon).
There's that stupid self-promotion
again. And the emotional
proximity of the anniversary
(tomorrow) is making me ramble, I
hope
you can forgive a victim's
compulsive behavior.
What I am meaning to say is that I
was looking very closely at the
twin towers when the second plane
hit, and my memory of that moment
was very vivid, to the extent that I
could look at the CNN video and
tell that the angle of the building
was slightly different from my
angle. I am extremely offended
that this video is being referred to
as the "ghost plane" video, with the
presumption that it was
fabricated by CNN or someone else.
I can assure you that in many,
many details, none of which would
have been available a few hours
after the morning of 9/11, the video
is completely authentic and
matches my vivid personal eyewitness
recollection of the event - the
internal "video" that, for me,
haunted me and played over and over
in
my brain throughout the day, and for
months afterward. Six years
later, and due to the availability
of the video, my brain is now
starting to fuse the two memories,
but I assure you that for years I
had no doubt of its authenticity,
and never imagined that anyone else
would be insane enough to doubt it,
either.
Barry Drogin
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Thank you for your website! My dad
has gone crazy and I have to hear
everything new the conspiracy
theorists come up with. Sites like
yours help keep me sane so I can
keep up with the propaganda thrown
at me in my own house.
I thought you might enjoy the
compliment as payment for your work,
sir.
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I’m a
former special operations operator,
I have a BA in business and one in
Poli Sci with a certificate in
international studies.
I’ve
studied the 911 conspiracies more
then most and enjoy having logical
debates with the people who propel
this stuff forward.
I’ve actually set off tons of
thermite and regular demolitions.
My biggest argument against these
people is the way they claim the
attacks happened;
From a tactical point of view,
meaning if my platoon was tasked
with carrying out a false flag
attack like 911, we would never do
it the way they claim.
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How do you insure the demo
charges go off and are not
knocked off course when the
airplanes hit? How do you make
sure the radio signals reach
there charge?
!!!!The firemen’s radios didn’t work
in the towers.!!!
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If one charge doesn’t go off,
how do you make sure it isn’t
later found in the rubble?
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Why not use car bombs and trace
them back to terrorists?
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Why not implicate Iraq?
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Why not exploit Salman Pak to
tie Saddam and Al Qaeda
together? ( goggle Salman Pak if
its unknown to you)
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If the goal is Iraq, why not
implicate Iraq?
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Why use a missile on the
pentagon? Did they run out of
fake airliners? Missiles do not
look anything like airliners. At
least in real life they don’t,
I’ve shot them before.
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Why blow down wtc7 at 5:20 pm
instead of when it was totally
engulfed in debris and dust
clouds and completely invisible?
When the smoke cleared the tower
would be down and no questions
would be asked. Instead, they
waited tell all the worlds news
agencies were down there
reporting and when thousands of
aid workers had flocked to the
site to do it?
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Bombs in the tower????..If you
set off a firecracker in your
ear, it might sound like a
bomb…but its not, it is just
really loud and really close.
Real bombs are very loud and
would have been very audible and
very noticeable for miles away.
The sounds they heard, which are
commonly reported in massive
building fires, were electrical
circuits, batteries, computers,
fire extinguishers, floors,
steel snapping etc.
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The melted stuff flowing from
the side of the building,
commonly called thermite. Why
would they put it on the outside
of the building? I once stuck a
dive knife into an electrical
circuit in Indonesia…Long story.
The point is, the electricity
instantly melted the tip of my
STEEL knife. Each tower had its
own zip code and millions of
watts of electricity flowing
through it.
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Pods on the planes- If there
were pods, then they were fake
airliners. If they were fake,
then they had no passengers. If
no passengers, why not put the
POD inside the plane?????Why put
it on the outside to be caught
by eyewitnesses? Doesn’t make
any sense.
Again, I can go for a long time
doing this.
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Hi there
I just went
thru your site and it was
interesting to say the least, but to
the point , my comment is on the use
of thermite that supposedly caused
the core of the building to remain
hot for a long time.
Well here
in South Africa we have a company
that makes steel and a while ago ( I
was still a kid then) a stockpile of
steel caught fire ( please note this
was basically a dump with everything
from fillings to big steel beams,
but all metal) and as water would
cause a violent reaction they
bulldozed it closed with sand (to
cut off the O2) it still took
3months for the pile to cool down.
Now I asked
some engineers at the time how this
was possible, and they told me that
metal also
burns at certain temps, and that
the small fillings most likely
caught fire first and then ignited
the bigger pieces. Now the same
would apply to the WTC. “core fires”
as the jet fuel would ignite other
flammable materials and start the
chain reaction that would cause
molten pieces of steel to be found.
Thereby debunking the theory of
thermite usage.
Just my
little comment
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To the person who
runs this web site:
First, let me
say I enjoyed skimming through the
information on your site. The reason I
didn't get into the details therein is that
I don't care to spend a whole lot of time
confirming what I already know. In other
words, from what I saw, I think you have
done an admirable job of debunking this
nonsense.
My purpose in
writing to you is to pass on a little
information that you may have missed.
Please forgive me if it is included, but in
my limited search of the site I didn't see
it mentioned.
Perhaps I should
start by saying that I appreciate your
defense of Rosie O'Donnell. What's
important to understand here is that these
people -- every single one of them -- cannot
fathom what they don't know about the art
and science of structural engineering. They
don't have a clue. Yet, they freely offer
their lame opinions about technical matters
based solely on the opinions of others who
are just as ignorant as they are. This
phenomena forms the "body of knowledge" of
the 9/11 CT crowd.
In witnessing
the effects this CT has on people, it
reminds me of one of my life experiences --
the day I entered college. What I knew
about structural engineering back then (at
the ripe old age of 17) could have been
written on a 3 x 5 post-it note in number 18
Arial font. Five years later with my degree
in hand, I had just enough knowledge about
the profession to be dangerous. After
working for over 4 years under the
supervision of professional engineers, as
required by law to take the PE exam, I got
my license to practice the profession. Only
then was I confident that I wasn't going to
build a monument to my ignorance. (That's a
term for the mess caused by screwing up a
design -- it's what a structural failure can
turn out to be.) By then, I had learned the
difference between what I knew and what I
didn't know. Above all, I learned
that structural engineering is partly an art
based on science, so I learned where to go
for information, and how to interpret that
information -- and when and where to go for
help if I needed it. Like Dirty Harry once
said, "A man's gotta know his limitations."
And that's the
point. People like Rosie have no clue what
their limitations are simply because they
cannot fathom what they don't know. They
are precisely where I was at the age of 17 .
. . a total and complete ignoramus about the
subject of structural engineering.
I might also
point out that structural engineering is a
highly specialized field -- a combination of
several sciences that overlap with other
disciplines. At one point during my formal
education -- my junior year -- I was
actually closer to getting a degree in
mechanical engineering that one in civil
engineering. Of course, the basis to many
engineering disciplines is math and physics,
but neither mathematicians nor physicists
are qualified by education or experience to
practice structural engineering. Such is
the case with several of the 9/11 Truthers.
What they don't know becomes readily
apparent in their lame attempts to formulate
a reasonable argument. Of course, the Rosie
O'Donnell's of the world accept these people
as experts. That's partly because they are
so damn ignorant they can't recognize real
expertise, and/or partly because they
NEED to believe
the CT.
Given all of the
above, I think it's important for people to
understand certain realities regarding
9/11.
The first is
this: There isn't a single person on this
planet that can PROVE
why the buildings at the WTC
suffered catastrophic structural failures.
It isn't possible. Such is the nature of
forensic engineering.
Second: Anyone
claiming otherwise should be regarded with
suspicion.
And last: Some
theories regarding these failures are more
credible than others.
These realities
make the 9/11 CT possible. To ignoramuses,
the official explanation regarding the
failures is simply insufficient which, of
course, leads them to believe there is some
final universal truth about the matter that
needs to be discovered . . . or uncovered.
That's when the chimeral notions of a
conspiracy take flight giving birth to the
CT. What ignoramuses don't understand is
that only when they deviate from sense
does the official explanation become less
credible. The fact is, the official
explanation is the only explanation that
lies within the realm of reason. Meanwhile,
their nonsense knows no logical boundaries.
To be more
precise without going into detail, the 9/11
CT has all the credibility of the
theory with the premise that the rings of
Saturn are made up of lost airline luggage.
Only a naïf thinks controlled demolition is
the best theory available to explain the
failures.
Another aspect
to this nonsense that people need to know is
how structural steel is fireproofed. There
are several methods available, but the two
most common methods were used in the WTC
building, that being spray-on foam and
gypsum board (or sheetrock). All interior
support columns for these structures were
layered in gypsum board which acts as an
insulator to slow heat exchange from a fire
to the steel. The thickness of the gypsum
board determines the fire rating of the
column. For example, a given thickness of
gypsum board will provide heat protection
for a specific amount of time. All building
codes require fire protection for some --
not all -- steel structures.
What most people
don't know is that gypsum board or
sheetrock is the same material used to
construct the walls and ceilings of their
home. And any fool knows you can put a hole
in sheetrock with minimal effort . . .
just miss a nail with a hammer. Sheetrock
isn't exactly impact resistant. This
means the mindless nonsense used by the 9/11
Truthers to discredit the idea that the
fireproofing was lost at impact is nothing
but wishful thinking. Hell, both planes
went through the exterior steel walls of the
towers. How in hell
could the insulation have possibly survived
the impact?
I might also
note that I have been to several burn outs
involving structural steel buildings
(warehouses for example) that had
NO fireproofing. Even a
small local fire in a large building will
produce a local failure of the roof system .
. . even when that roof system is
supporting zero live load.
In other words, with sufficient heat
structural steel will fail under it's own
weight.
Now, maybe some
or all of this is on your site. If not, and
you deem it appropriate, then feel free to
post it.
P.S. You should
know I am a registered professional engineer
with over twenty year of experience in
structural engineering. Today, I no longer
practice, but I still keep my license
current, although my status is "inactive".
(In other words, I have forgotten more
engineering science than Rosie O'Donnell
will ever know.) And I also have a hole in
the sheetrock in the wall of my son's
bedroom . . . which was never hit by a jet
airliner going mach 0.7.
I want to thank you for your website and
your excellent work. I, too, am a flaming
liberal. My parents have a thick FBI file,
most of which is redacted for “National
Security” reasons. But I despair at the
seemingly intelligent people among liberal
9/11 conspiracy theorists. A friend of mine
who headed up a department at a major
university is now buying up dozens of David
Ray Griffin’s books and donating gobs of
money to him. What disturbs me most is the
realization that he is not engaging in
critical thinking when buying Griffin’s
assertions. A couple of years ago I was
invited to a screening of a film about 9/11
by a friend that teaches film. She wanted
me to provide the media literacy perspective
on this film called “Loose Change.” I
found myself the lone skeptic in a room of
100 truthers and the “filmmakers.” I told
the crowd that their acceptance of this
piece of propaganda was as dangerous as the
very thing they claim to fear. They
couldn’t understand what I was saying.
Common sense disappears around discussions
of 9/11.
I have also encouraged my friends to direct
their energies toward change that will
actually make an impact on people’s lives.
Even if their theories were true, what value
is all of this discussion and outrage? It
seems like so much mental masturbation
coupled with righteous indignation. I
suggested that if they truly believe the
scoundrels now running the country did this,
then they should put their energy into
reclaiming our democracy. Fight for public
funding of federal elections so that we can
cut the ties between our elected
representatives and the huge industries that
now fund their campaigns.
Thanks again. I live in Phoenix where this
poor guy is on a hunger strike over all of
this. There are so many more worthy issues
he could have chosen as the object of his
protest.
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I want to thank you for your website and
your excellent work. I, too, am a flaming
liberal. I despair at the seemingly
intelligent people among liberal 9/11
conspiracy theorists. A friend of mine who
headed up a department at a major university
is now buying up dozens of David Ray
Griffin’s books and donating gobs of money
to him. What disturbs me most is the
realization that he is not engaging in
critical thinking when buying Griffin’s
assertions. A couple of years ago I was
invited to a screening of a film about 9/11
by a friend that teaches film. She wanted
me to provide the media literacy perspective
on this film called “Loose Change.” I
found myself the lone skeptic in a room of
100 truthers and the “filmmakers.” I told
the crowd that their acceptance of this
piece of propaganda was as dangerous as the
very thing they claim to fear. They
couldn’t understand what I was saying.
Common sense disappears around discussions
of 9/11.
I have also encouraged my friends to direct
their energies toward change that will
actually make an impact on people’s lives.
Even if their theories were true, what value
is all of this discussion and outrage? It
seems like so much mental masturbation
coupled with righteous indignation. I
suggested that if they truly believe the
scoundrels now running the country did this,
then they should put their energy into
reclaiming our democracy. Fight for public
funding of federal elections so that we can
cut the ties between our elected
representatives and the huge industries that
now fund their campaigns.
Thanks again. I live in Phoenix where this
poor guy is on a hunger strike over all of
this. There are so many more worthy issues
he could have chosen as the object of his
protest.
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