1. Gary Cook

    Gary Cook Active Member

    You make an interesting point and back it up with things I have not read before. Thanks for that. Not that I wanted to subvert this thread but for me what I like about that theory we are talking about is that it says that instigating violence is wrong. That is something I strongly agree with. If that makes me an absolutist than I guess I am cool with that. I think we can do better than the crime and punishment system we have. I think it lets some people get away with the worst crimes possible by obfuscating them with millions of man-made laws. Lets start another thread about this or talk about it in private?
  2. Landru

    Landru Moderator Staff Member

    Private would be better as Metabunk is not a discussion site but a site for debunking bunk.
  3. meganix

    meganix New Member

    Sure. You can start out by hearing the Audio books. Then we can start at thread in the "chit chat" section to see what empirical observations that would either support the "AnCap" principle or puncture it. Especially all modern economic theory runs completely counter to it, but I don't have enough knowledge about Economics to make a case against free market, maybe other people has.

    Edit: This forum would be better suited for a discussion like that
    http://www.debate.org/search?q=Anarcho Capitalism

    Also Books I would recommend is the series of "Big Ideas explained simple"
    There is about
    http://www.amazon.com/Philosophy-Book-Ideas-Simply-Explained/dp/0756668611/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1395417718&sr=1-2&keywords=big ideas simply explained
    http://www.amazon.com/Business-Book-Ideas-Simply-Explained/dp/1465415858/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1395417718&sr=1-1&keywords=big ideas simply explained
    http://www.amazon.com/Economics-Book-Ideas-Simply-Explained/dp/0756698278/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1395417718&sr=1-3&keywords=big ideas simply explained
    http://www.amazon.com/Psychology-Book-Ideas-Simply-Explained/dp/0756689708/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1395417718&sr=1-4&keywords=big ideas simply explained
    http://www.amazon.com/Politics-Book-Ideas-Simply-Explained/dp/1465402144/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1395417718&sr=1-6&keywords=big ideas simply explained
    http://www.amazon.com/Religions-Book-Ideas-Simply-Explained/dp/1465408436/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1395417718&sr=1-5&keywords=big ideas simply explained
  4. Svartbjørn

    Svartbjørn Senior Member

    I just ran across a book called "The Israeli Solution" By Caroline Glick... any of you read it yet, or familiar with the author? Looks pretty interesting tbh.
  5. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    Not a book, but an article..
    "The Belief Engine"
    copyright 1995 by James Alcock

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  6. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Moderator Staff Member

    Just picked up a volume of Wind, Sand and Stars and Flight to Arras by Antoine Saint-Exupery (The Little Prince) for 2 dollars.
    Did any pilots here read him and were inspired by his writings? It's very romantic and sentimental, evocative with great passages.
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  7. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    I'm ordering the book Flight to Arras from a private seller....
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  8. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Slightly longer excerpt you posted in 2010 :)
  9. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    I'll scan the passage(s) when I receive the book......or make a short video.
    Thanks for remembering my old post !
  10. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I didn't, Google did :)
  11. Jazzy

    Jazzy Closed Account

    Hmm. Jealous. A pioneer of his time. A bit like Cousteau. I've only read quotes of his work. I'll have to wait for the Reader's Digest version. :)
  12. TWCobra

    TWCobra Senior Member

    B-17 the fifteen ton Flying Fortress. It blows the the "B17 contrails weren't contrails" theory out of the water. Early operations (by the RAF!) in the B17 were cancelled when they began to contrail.
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  13. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Senior Member

    Now, I must go to Amazon and find that book...uh oh, we should be "boycotting" Amazon atm...

  14. David Fraser

    David Fraser Senior Member

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    jaydeehess Senior Member

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    derwoodii Senior Member

  17. jaydeehess

    jaydeehess Senior Member

    That would be some fairly dense reading I suspect, even though it appears written for people who are not necessarily math junkies.
  18. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    I am currently reading (listening/audio books) subjects that are the antipathy of science - and my current thinking.......some books on metaphysical, spiritual, New Age, and other subjects that I assume I disagree with.
    I think it's somewhat important to at least gain a broader understanding of some of the ideas I do not embrace, thereby expanding my understanding, and dialog......when the subjects are brought up.

    In the past, I've read on subjects like....western Buddhism from Jack Kornfield, Jung, the AA "big book", and others......even very good classic books like Siddhartha (Hesse, 1922) (one of my favorite books).

    Penney Peirce, Frequency: The Power of Personal Vibration
    Icke, 2012: An Awakening

    ....and more.
    Suggestions welcome.
  19. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    ....example.....Peirce's notion of good body frequency (high and low) and living within "certain frequencies and vibrations", is often contrary to bad frequencies like HAARP and cell towers (low and high).
    Yet some people tend to believe both at the same time.
    Peirce confuses the issue by somehow reinventing the term "frequency" as some sort of inner awareness, soul, and unexplored intuitive energies into the unknown.

    Yes, it's difficult to listen to....like a never-ending Random Deepak Chopra Quote Generator
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  20. deirdre

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  21. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    I think the whole point, which is hard to explain, of New age, metaphysical , occultish stuff is you don't ask for suggestions. "Use the Force Luke" and let it guide you to your own suggestions : )
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  22. Will

    Will Member

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  23. E**

    E** Member

    A magician among the spirits by Houdini.

    Great read it really stresses the importance that critical thinking skills have nothing to do with intelligence.

  24. qed

    qed Senior Member

    I am reading "Hidden Worlds in Quantum Physics" by Gouesbet and would strongly recommend it for anyone who wishes to get a feel for the real debate that has been and is still going on in quantum physics between the scientists. You will understand why our current theory of QM, while brilliantly predictive, is a bit of a "hack". You will also see that the real "magic" is "spooky action at a distance". The book is devoted to discussing the attempts to remove this "magic" (hidden variable theories) as well as the non-locality limits that must be placed on such theories because of Bell's Theorem.

    While the book is mathematically sound ("this is not a pop album"), there is a path for pedestrians. To be honest, most pages have no mathematics at all, but only experienced mechanics will follow the maths.

    The introduction by Jean Bricmont is well worth the investment alone. You can read this introduction on-line at Google Books (just scroll to the top).
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  25. alien

    alien New Member

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  26. mazoola

    mazoola Member

    Slightly OT (or at least orthogonal to it), as a general introduction to the art of critical thinking, I've always been a fan of Gause and Weinberg's Are Your Lights On?

    It's the sort of book department heads often dump on their employees, thinking it will magically make them all expert problem solvers through osmosis. (I should know: In the early 1990s, I bought copies by the case, foisting them upon the technicians I managed.) However, if you're not reading it because you have to, it can be an informative and entertaining introduction to problem solving. (And, after all, isn't that what debunking is -- orthogonally speaking, at least?)
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  27. thanhk44i1

    thanhk44i1 New Member

    I love Killing Patton: The Strange Death of World War II's Most Audacious General Hardcover
    by Bill O'Reilly. I bought it on Amazon.com and got coupon code for saving at http://coupon4share.com/store/amazon.com. You can try
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  28. Leifer

    Leifer Senior Member

    Here's a book I am currently listening to (not reading)....

    "How to Talk About Books You Haven't Read"
    by Pierre Bayard

    I can talk about it because I just started listening to it, and I will never read it.
    It's humorous, serious, and all-to-familiar.
    Click on the title, and listen to a sample......
  29. Efftup

    Efftup Senior Member

    I have this fun book my friend gave me called "gods of the new millenium" by Alan Alford.

    Takes the works of Zecharia Sitchin and completely runs wild with them
    My friend let me keep this copy as he has a newer edition where there is a footnote where the Author admits he was talking complete garbage for most of the book.

    but if you ever wanted "proof" that Adam lived for 93,000 years, there was a nuclear catastrophe in the Middle east in 2024BC, and how the Nazca lines were caused by human slaves rebelling hijacking a nibiru "God"'s flying machine.and defacing his artwork, then this is the book for you
  30. Whitebeard

    Whitebeard Senior Member

    The High Girders by John Prebble (1956)
    Its the definitive account of the building of the first Tay railway bridge, the disaster that befell it in 1879, and the subsequent inquiry. Works on many levels; the historical, the scientific and the social.

    But for me the most interesting aspect is the detailed account of the accident investigation, and how the Victorian method of investigation of such incidents isn't all that different from those employed these days.
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  31. tadaaa

    tadaaa Active Member

    good thread - interesting stuff

    A book that I read (admittedly a while ago now) had a profound effect on my thinking regarding conspiracy theories, especially ones surrounding complex events.

    It was called, The Last Days of Hitler - it was first published in 1947, and the author was Hugh Trevor Roper.

    Hugh Trevor Roper was a British army intelligence officer, who was tasked by British intelligence to investigate the circumstances around Hitler's "death" immediately after the fall of Berlin.

    Posters from the UK will probably know who Hugh Trevor Roper was - but for people unfamiliar

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Trevor-Roper (respected historian, professor of modern history Oxford Don etc)

    His conclusion - was that Hilter shot himself (together with Eva Braun) and the bodies were burnt in the garden of the Chancellery

    he did somewhat blot his copy book later in life when he authenticated the fraudulent Hitler Diaries.

    Anyway I read his updated edition - published in the mid 60's and I always remember the Forward - written by the author to explain the new edition of the book, with added material.

    In it he explained how conspiracy theories (for there were lots around the 40/50/60’s about the final fate of Hitler - it suited the Soviet agenda to create uncertainty) take hold.

    In the immediate aftermath of any event, things are chaotic, people who witness the event(s) all have slightly differing views and recollections – but after time and piecing together all the material (and new material not initially available), investigating any seemingly contradictory statements etc a common narrative emerges, from chaos comes consensus - the fog gently lifts

    Hugh Trevor Roper also made the killer point that in contrast to the Chaos to Consensus – with a Conspiracy, with people working to a script to get that initial consensus, i.e. everyone knowing what to say things will initially make sense, it will all fit together because that was the intent after all - but, in time it will slowly unravel

    this always struck me as so powerful, so simple and so true - the very fact that there is confusion, the fact that people will have different versions of events is THE biggest damnation of the whole "conspiracy" meme

    maybe the conclusion is CT's like staying in the fog - it saves them from seeing what is really out there
  32. vitorino

    vitorino Member

    Although a literary work and much more than just this, Thomas Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow is a very interesting take on all this world of conspiracy theory, paranoia. Not an easy read, but a must for people who are interested in how these processes work
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  33. Whitebeard

    Whitebeard Senior Member

    not exactly a book, its a satirical magazine, but still a good read. (I get most issues)
  34. jakesteele

    jakesteele New Member

    Alice in Quantum
    Great way to understand(?) QM using Alice in Wonderland as a vehicle...did I mention 'no math'?

    The Arithmetic of Life
    Shows the math behind interesting questions such as, "What are the odds of you being you?"

    The Father of Spin
    It's about Edward L. Bernays, the man who was the master of spin and how people are influenced by propaganda

    Stranger in a Strange Land
    Grok this, mother f*cker! 'nuff said.
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  35. MikeG

    MikeG Senior Member

    I am reading Kathryn S. Olmstead, Real Enemies: Conspiracy Theories and American Democracy, World War I to 9/11 (New York: Oxford University Press, 2009).

    It is interesting to see how actual victims of government power (e.g., individuals caught up in McCarthy's investigations in the fifties) prepared the way for later conspiracy theorists.

    Her chapter "Trust No One" takes the reader from Watergate through the nineties and offers interesting context to the current day.

    Mick mentioned David Aaronovitch, Voodoo Histories in an earlier post. The chapter on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a great study of how a myth is formed, debunked, and persists.
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  36. Rory

    Rory Senior Member

    I probably shouldn't do this, but I'm going to defend Icke and expose Ronson, whose writing and personality I really, really like.

    Thing is, truth is truth, right? And I found something interesting while reading this excellent book.

    Exhibit A: Ronson's account of David Icke's infamous appearance on Terry Wogan's chat show:

    them icke wogan.

    Exhibit B: Actual interview as transcribed from the video footage:
    actual icke interview.JPG
    Source: www.youtube.com/watch?v=NapHiWsoFXI

    Maybe that's not significant to some, but it was to me. To me, Ronson's clearly manipulated events to fit his narrative, and deviated substantially from what actually occurred.

    Still, it really is an entertaining and enlightening book, and his perspective on the Bilderberg/Bohemian Grove stuff in comparison to Jim Tucker and Alex Jones is incredibly revealing of the CT mind.
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  37. Richard Hince

    Richard Hince New Member

    Richard Dawkins - The God Delusion (although that's 'preaching to the converted', for me)

    I find that the best approach in life is to be as generally knowledgeable as possible, so I do enjoy pop science books for their quick and easy delivery of interesting information, although you do have to be wary that they aren't very in depth a lot of the time and only give you an easily accessible version of anything. Some of those I have enjoyed...

    Richard Feynman - The Pleasure of Finding Things Out (great man, everyone should read him)
    In Search of Schrodinger's Cat - John Gribbin
    Electric Universe - David Bodanis (this is a very recommended book)
    The Scientist, the Madman, the Thief, and their Lightbulb - Keith Tutt. Great overview of the silliness of over-unity devices.

    Lastly, for quick reference of great men and women over the millennia, try EUREKA! - Hazel Muir. Very handy.
  38. tinkertailor

    tinkertailor Senior Member

    If anyone hasn't read 'Spook' by Mary Roach, I highly recommend that they do. I gave away my copy years ago to spread the love, but it's an incredible look at some people's beliefs regarding the afterlife. The fact that it's hilarious is a bonus.
    She wrote another book, 'Stiff,' years before that I enjoyed greatly in high school. It's about death, bodies, burial, all that stuff.
    Bonus recommendation: 'Smoke Gets in Your Eyes and other lessons from the crematory' by Caitlyn Doughtery. She's equally hilarious, equally dark and has a spectacular web series called Ask a Mortician, if you're ever morbidly curious about anything.
  39. Alhazred The Sane

    Alhazred The Sane Senior Member

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  40. Whitebeard

    Whitebeard Senior Member


    Interesting bit of social history.
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