You make an interesting point and back it up with things I have not read before. Thanks for that. Not that I wanted to subvert this thread but for me what I like about that theory we are talking about is that it says that instigating violence is wrong. That is something I strongly agree with. If that makes me an absolutist than I guess I am cool with that. I think we can do better than the crime and punishment system we have. I think it lets some people get away with the worst crimes possible by obfuscating them with millions of man-made laws. Lets start another thread about this or talk about it in private?