Ross Marsden
Senior Member.
Just to be clear here, noone ever will (come forward) because there is no such spraying operation. It does not exist.
Useful Chemtrail Debunking Images and Infographics
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derwoodii
Senior Member.
yes agree thou I am in debate with those who think other wise and so need the politest kindest primmer to take apart the delusion as head on attack has predictable failed. So sheer weight of numbers against hiding the claim is an avenue to explore now.
I said, "so just how many planes are there in this plot" the answer was hundreds. So extrapolate we have 100 x 100 10,000 souls keeping quiet while doing evil to own familys,,,,, this should beg beyond any fools belief
bets on it will still fail but i gotz to know
Critical Thinker
Senior Member.
Cloud Trains Over the Southern Appalachians (Wave Clouds)
February 11, 2014
February 11, 2014
Cloud Trains Over the Southern Appalachians
This photograph, taken by Seth Adams, shows lines of clouds over the southern Appalachian Mountains. It was taken at cruising altitude (approximately 30,000 ft or 9,144 m) during a flight from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to Atlanta, Georgia on January 14, 2014. Notice how the clouds are parallel with the ridges below them. Wind near the surface blowing up the western slopes forms waves in the atmosphere. At the crest of the wave, over the ridge tops, the air has cooled sufficiently to condense into clouds. As this air descends toward the wave trough, it becomes slightly warmer and drier, inhibiting condensation.
Read more about this image from EPOD at
http://epod.usra.edu/blog/2014/02/wave-clouds-over-the-southern-appalachians.html
See more ridges topped with clouds at
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=82451&src=fb
George B
Extinct but not forgotten Staff Member
Old and New Poll comparisons
Doesn't seem like attitudes have changed and the new images did not seem to have any immediate impact . . .
Old Poll . . . 05/08/2011 07:58 PM
POLL: Do you believe in Chemtrails?
New Poll. . . 02/21/2014 01:49 PM
In 1976 Joni Mitchell Sang about jets leaving trails . . . were they Chemtrails? Do You believe in Chemtrails?
Old:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1481413/pg1
New:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2490142/pg1
Yes, and they are all over the sky . . . 38.5% (1126)
Yes, and they are all over the sky . . . 42.9% (144)
No, I do not . . . 22.8% (668)
No, I do not . . . 19.3% (65)
Yes, the TPTB is trying to crowd control, and other agendas 17.8% (522)
Yes, the TPTB is trying to crowd control, and other agendas 18.5% (62)
Yes, they include cloud seeding, Chaff, insecticides, etc. 9.8% (288)
Yes, they include cloud seeding, Chaff, insecticides, etc. 11.6% (39)
Yes, but most are persistent trails from High Efficiency Jet Engines 5.6% (163)
Yes, but most are persistent trails from High Efficiency Jet Engines 3.0% (10)
Yes, but they are rare . . . experimental geo-engineering, etc. 5.4% (159)
Yes, but they are rare . . . experimental geo-engineering, etc. 4.8% (16)
Blank (View Results) (551)
Blank (View Results) (60)
Non-Blank Votes: 2926
Non-Blank Votes: 336
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Critical Thinker
Senior Member.
Great article and pictures, about the unusual sightings in the sky over LA as a result of rocket launches from Vandenberg Air Force Base. I am just posting one of the many images for now, but please check out the slide show of all the images from that article... good stuff.
It’s not the apocalypse. It just looks like that.
Every few weeks, bright streaks and colorful, rolling waves appear in the California sky. They can startle those unfamiliar with their source, spurring speculation of aliens or apocalyptic visions.
But the secret behind the heavenly artwork is much more mundane: frozen fuel exhaust crystals -- the trails of rocket launches from Vandenberg Air Force Base – combined with nature.
deirdre
Senior Member.
should I vote or would that mess up the poll?
I think that first post in the thread is horrible! you show a crazy pic that looks suspicious and theres the poll. I don't think people are scrolling to see your 'debunks' BEFORE they take the poll.
George B
Extinct but not forgotten Staff Member
The first Poll was from 2010 or 2011 . . . while still active it is not been used for some time . . .the new poll is to see if any change in attitudes have occurred since the first poll . . . looks like nothing has really changed . . .should I vote or would that mess up the poll?
I think that first post in the thread is horrible! you show a crazy pic that looks suspicious and theres the poll. I don't think people are scrolling to see your 'debunks' BEFORE they take the poll.
deirdre
Senior Member.
I'm actually surprised the numbers are so low. considering its a conspiracy site and normal people wouldn't be there. well, I may be there but I wouldn't be clicking 'chemtrail' threads.
Truthlovehonour
New Member
Not sure where to post this. An acquaintance of mine spends a great deal of time researching this subject. I have posted a few links from contrail science for his to consider. To no avail. Here is his latest. How could one respond to the notion that high-bypass turbines are incapable of producing contrails. Thanks for any help you may provide.
See here:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/de...king-contrails-and-other-misconceptions.2679/
The key point though is that real science tells us that it's actually MORE likely:
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/1520-0450(2000)039<0080:ACOECT>2.0.CO;2
Schrader (1997) explained the use of the Schmidt–Appleman theory and presented a method for the calculation of critical temperature (using the contrail factor to represent the slope of the mixing line) that corrected a few minor errors in the work of Peters (1993). Schrader’s (1997) algorithm also uses different contrail factors for high-bypass, nonbypass, and low-bypass engines to improve forecast accuracy. Although the contrail factor for an individual aircraft varies as flight parameters change, Schrader (1997) pointed out that one can use representative values for the contrail factor that account for the generic propulsion efficiencies of typical engine types when preparing contrail forecasts used for different types of aircraft at the same time. This procedure is currently followed by the AFWA, which produces separate contrail forecasts for high-bypass, nonbypass, and low-bypass engine types. Because propulsion efficiency is highest for high-bypass engines and lowest for nonbypass engines, high-bypass engines have the highest contrail factors, and nonbypass engines have the lowest contrail factors (Schrader 1997).
George B
Extinct but not forgotten Staff Member
This is some older research that shows that persistent contrails from high by-pass engines has been known for many years . . . See paragraph 3.3.2
http://ozone-uv.defra.gov.uk/reports/Contrail_Uncertainties.pdf
http://ozone-uv.defra.gov.uk/reports/Contrail_Uncertainties.pdf
PCWilliams
Senior Member.
Leifer
Senior Member.
I requested some old video from a 1989 research project called CSAE (Contrail Studies Airborne Exhaust) project, ran by NCAR/UCAR/EOL (Earth Observing Laboratory).
They sent me the video footage, and I edited it into a video.
Here's my YouTube description (partial):
...at this page >>> http://data.eol.ucar.edu/codiac/dss/id=148.001
(They'll reply to the request on one day, but it's only available on a temporary FTP link for 72 hours)
They sent me the video footage, and I edited it into a video.
Here's my YouTube description (partial):
Can anyone help me retrieve the data from the same site ?"In this 1989 research mission, a modified Falcon 20 plane purposefully flew into a (persistent ?) contrail of a Sabreliner jet.
Data was collected, and the results compared to the (already in place) Appleman curves used to predict contrail formatio
Here is the CSAE data portal....https://www.eol.ucar.edu/field_projects/csae
and....
https://www.eol.ucar.edu/about-eol
and...
http://www.dlr.de/fb/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-3714/
I have not yet been able to retrieve the data from this mission, as it is in NetCDF format , that needs software and re-formatting to plain text.
I will link to the results when I have it figured out.
Credits go to all those involved with the CSAE project, NCAR, UCAR, EOL, and everybody else at the National Science Foundation for making this rare footage available."
...at this page >>> http://data.eol.ucar.edu/codiac/dss/id=148.001
(They'll reply to the request on one day, but it's only available on a temporary FTP link for 72 hours)
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Looks like you would need the NetCDF tools, which look a bit crufty.
http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf/docs/index.html
http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf/docs/index.html
Truthlovehonour
New Member
Can someone please explain this video for me? http://worldtruth.tv/busted-pilot-forgets-to-turn-off-chemtrails-while-landing/
justanairlinepilot
Senior Member.
passing through a cloud on the left wing, and the rest is aerodynamic clouds.
http://contrailscience.com/files/AC Phenomenology and flow physics.pdf
read page three.
There's a specific debunk for that video:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/de...anding-aerodynamic-contrail-wake-vortex.3551/
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/de...anding-aerodynamic-contrail-wake-vortex.3551/
WeedWhacker
Senior Member
I also noticed, when I attempted to go directly to the YouTube "source" for this already debunked video, that "Comments are Off".
What a (non)-surprise!
Critical Thinker
Senior Member.
I have seen occasional pictures of these awesome sights attributed to some version of the chemtrail nonsense from time to time, this collage I found on the ScienceAlert Facebook page with the following explanation;
Sadly on the LiveScience website where they also posted a picture and explanation of the sky display, a CT-er posted this comment;
'Fire rainbows' are a rare phenomenon that only occur when the Sun is higher than 58° above the horizon and its light passes through cirrus clouds made of ice crystals. At the right alignment, the ice crystals act as a prism, and refract the light to look like a rainbow.
Read more: http://ow.ly/wFr9i via Livescience
Images: (L) Ken Rotberg (R) UC Santa Barbara Geography
Sadly on the LiveScience website where they also posted a picture and explanation of the sky display, a CT-er posted this comment;
These rainbow looking clouds are not natural, They are formed when NASA or the military dumps chemicals into the atmosphere to block the sun to cool the earth (Geoengineering) for their fake cap and trade I mean TAX cap and trade global warming scam! Global warming is nothing more than science made climate change! The UN NATO and US are manipulating our climate as I write this post! The testing phase is over this is a full on campign IMHO is to control food, water, weather, population control through soft kill aproach depopulation AGENDA 21 THEY WILL ALSO SOON BE moving people to specific areas LIKE CATTLE here is the FOX NEWS link http://www.dailypaul.com/291075/oba...to-move-into-cities-redistributing-the-wealth Now if the government was up front with their climate and weather modification programs us chemtrail activist would not be on here telling you all to look up! contrails and chemtrails are 2 different things! I just saw 4 jets cause a total white out, these skinny jet exhaust lines expanded hundreds of miles in a period of 25 min's Not possible without chemcials!! People need to wake up and LOOK UP pay attention to your surroundings You're air, skies, landscape, trees and food (gmo) are changing ..... All the trees are sick lately! This started around the same time as the 24/7 spraying campaign about 4 years ago also around the same time me my family and my animals were all getting sick! IF YOU HAVE BEEN FEELING TIRED ALL THE TIME, SEVERE FATIGUE this is why, if you have been getting sore throats and bad cough's that wont go away this is why, if you know people that are getting cancer this is why, pneumonia this is why! joint pains this is why! I had my water, rain and soil tested all of them were highly contaminated with aluminum, barium mercury and lead, my soil PH went up 2. 6.6 tp 8.4 in 3 years!! Barium which wears down your immune low vit D from them blocking the sun through geoengineering also wears down your immune, cancer up 400% upper respitroy infection up 600% DURING THE LAST 3 YEARS! THEY ARE ALSO spraying things like strontium, lead, mercury, silver dioxide among other things they use to manipulate the atmosphere, dont believe this? well the info is out there even on legit news stations like CBS, CNN, FOX, ABC, BBC youtube "a chemtrail investigation" or why in the world are they spraying NASA is also engineering artificial clouds (BBC has a great article on this for all of those non believers) you will know when you these artificial clouds cuz they will refract rainbow prism colors ... Geoengineering is destroying this planet!
WeedWhacker
Senior Member
Those are some stunning photos....and yes unfortunately, the un-scientific comments are troubling.
I'm sure we are all familiar with many other examples of people unfamiliar with the science and optics of a prism (YouTube videos abound). But, it's difficult sometimes to explain to a person that a piece of glass (the prism) is "copied" in nature by water droplets.
It's especially hard to understand that most people know and comprehend what a "rainbow" is...and yet, when shown the effect (as in the sample photos above), then jump to a different conclusion, as to the reason for the "rainbow" colors!
I'm sure we are all familiar with many other examples of people unfamiliar with the science and optics of a prism (YouTube videos abound). But, it's difficult sometimes to explain to a person that a piece of glass (the prism) is "copied" in nature by water droplets.
It's especially hard to understand that most people know and comprehend what a "rainbow" is...and yet, when shown the effect (as in the sample photos above), then jump to a different conclusion, as to the reason for the "rainbow" colors!
Ross Marsden
Senior Member.
I think the top right photo in post #261 is of cloud iridescence - a diffraction effect.
Edit: The image on the web site page is different from the one on the Facebook page.
Interestingly, the reply comment to that mono-paragraph rant (see web page link) is also full of errors. *facepalm*
Edit: The image on the web site page is different from the one on the Facebook page.
Interestingly, the reply comment to that mono-paragraph rant (see web page link) is also full of errors. *facepalm*
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cloudspotter
Senior Member.
Looks like it. I saw this effect just about every morning on my way to work in the winter - from headlights shining through misted up bus windows
cloudspotter
Senior Member.
Helpful site for those of us who don't know their A320s from their 737s http://www.squidoo.com/aircraft-identification
JFDee
Senior Member.
For those cases where you need to illustrate that correlation does not necessarily mean causality:
Spurious Correlations
It even allows you to create new random correlations from a database. Click "Discover a new correlation".
Spurious Correlations
It even allows you to create new random correlations from a database. Click "Discover a new correlation".
WeedWhacker
Senior Member
ALSO.....a great number of B737s now are fitted with those "winglets" that are quite distinctive. They are long, thin UPWARD extensions on the wingtips.
The Airbus A320, A321 and A319 series have a different type of "winglet"...it is smaller, and "diamond shaped" (is my best description...maybe "rhomboid" is better) on the wingtips...they extend slightly above and below.
Of course, one day Airbus as a company may deem it necessary to compete, and offer aerodynamic conversion kits to their airline customers that involve different wingtip shapes....so, this post could become obsolete in just a few years (months?).
cloudspotter
Senior Member.
Pimp my airliner?
WeedWhacker
Senior Member
LOL!!!!
EDIT: Oops...was just reading the thread about the controversy about using "Redskins" as a team name.
This word "pimp" (and the semantics of "pimping") tend to convey, perhaps, the wrong stereotype.
Although, the humor, as intended, is certainly clear, and IN MY OPINION, fine.
cloudspotter
Senior Member.
As in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pimp_My_Ride or customising and improving anything really http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pimp_My_Barrow
WeedWhacker
Senior Member
I know..
I know.....got it immediately. Just added my "2 cents" for public consumption.
AnonymousATCO
New Member
They already do, call them Sharklets. Air New Zealand has new A320's with them fitted operating domestically. They operate about 4-5,000 feet higher than the older A320's.
Critical Thinker
Senior Member.
From 'Earth & Sky Photography by Debra and Peter Caravolo'
360 Degree Rainbow
... also they have a photos of Atmospheric Optics, including:
Rainbows
Solar Halos
Crepuscular Rays
360 Degree Rainbow
The conditions have to be just right to capture a 360 degree rainbow from the air. We looked for isolated rainshowers with just the right sized cloud and the sun had to be low enough in the sky with enough sunlight reaching the shower. We also had to position the plane so that the sun was on one side and the shower on the other. You can see the window reflections on the wing due to the sun being on the opposite side.
... also they have a photos of Atmospheric Optics, including:
Rainbows
Solar Halos
Crepuscular Rays
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Jay Reynolds
Senior Member.
Hama Neggs
Senior Member.
So he finally came out with his study details? Oh wait... this is from 2013. Anything new?
cloudspotter
Senior Member.
Hopefully some UK chemtrail believers will watch this, although what conclusions they will take away from it is anyone's guess
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2013/bbc-two-skyship.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2013/bbc-two-skyship.html
WeedWhacker
Senior Member
Problem is....it doesn't work on a "True Believer".
Just a very random "search" of YouTube will reveal a huge number of people who "believe" it is the U.S. military involved....THESE are always people who reside in the United States and cannot contemplate the fact that the U.S. Military CANNOT act across ALL International borders, without some sort of OBVIOUS "hue and cry" in the media.
BUT....we also observe that MANY people in areas NOT "covered" by the U.S. military ALSO tend to get all "hepped up" about the myth, and HOAX, of so-called "chem"trails.
From Europe (and the UK) to New Zealand.
It is a fair TRUTH to say (and to add) that the United States military does NOT have "willy-nilly" access to airspace above these countries.
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hemi
Senior Member.
Indeed. In New Zealand, for example, we're only just starting to get back to a position of co-operation with the US military after having banned their nuclear ships from our ports back in the 1980s.
The idea that on the one hand we'd stop their warships coming into our waters, whilst allowing their airforce to fly over us spraying chemicals does seem somewhat counter-intuitive.
Especially given the fact that almost all the 'spraying' documented in NZ is done by commercial flights on regular flight-paths.
(Having said that, the US Deep Freeze Antarctic operation operating out of Christchurch does see some of those big military planes going to and from the US and Antarctica, which do occasionally leave trails, which gives the local chemtrail community the barest of excuses they need to implicate the US military-industrial complex).
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Ross Marsden
Senior Member.
More about that incident here: metservices-ross-marsden-misinforms
And there is even more to and fro with Ben Vidgen about it in comments under another thread, but I am unable to located it.
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