1. Curt Collins

    Curt Collins New Member

    A UFO report was recently made, accompanied by a 20-second phone camera video of a sighting in Canada.

    The place and time:
    Jackhead, Manitoba, Jan. 11, 2019 at 3:00 pm.

    I've got a copy of the video, but couldn't figure out how to share it here. Apparently it's been posted on Facebook and has been sent to the media. I've included two screenshots of it.

    The camerawork is jerky, lots of pans and tilts. To my eye, there's no motion in the "object," which looks like a contrail illuminated by the sun (which is out of frame on the right). Is it a contrail - or maybe even just a cloud?

    Chris Rutkowski is looking into this, and he asked me to post it here, hoping that someone can identify it. Specifically, does this match a known aircraft's path found in FlightAware?

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    Moderator add: link to video available here
    https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/fishers-spot-fireball-near-lake-winnipeg-504277072.html

    Moderator add2: above link is blocked for some European viewers, this later article also provides the footage. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/sighting-lake-winnipeg-1.4976634
     
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  2. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    I see no motion. Looks like a contrail to me.

    how do you know it is 3pm? a sun analysis?
     
  3. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    I'm a bit confused because if the sun is SW wouldnt the object be south?

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    aside from my poor spatial skills, i might not be good at converting UTC.. but i think i got it right. (add: this is the 3pmish timeframe, but i think the photo is likely later)
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    edit add: forgot the oom out pic.. yes, there are lots of planes around
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  4. M Bornong

    M Bornong Senior Member

    It looks like contrail with a sundog.

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  5. Curt Collins

    Curt Collins New Member

  6. Z.W. Wolf

    Z.W. Wolf Senior Member

    If I had to guess I'd say this is the persistent smoke trail from a Quadrantid fireball. I think the observer saw the fireball but wasn't fast enough to catch it on camera. He videoed the persistent smoke trail. The blob at the far end is where the bolide blew up.

    There's no specific report of a fireball that matches this place and time, but there are numerous reports all over the Northern U.S. and Canada within 24 hours of this event.

    https://fireball.amsmeteors.org/mem...=-99&event=&event_id=&event_year=&num_report=

    This could be an event that wasn't reported to the American Meteor Society site. Quadrantids aren't known for smoke trails, but no reason why there couldn't be one.
     
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  7. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

  8. M Bornong

    M Bornong Senior Member

    The path of that fireball.

    fireball.

    Video of it, showing the speed.


    https://www.amsmeteors.org/2019/01/...I_VaSrA5s_HvgY8oj5HsOB0-oq7rEfnlJByG8s0b3eK_8

    Still looks like a contrail with a sundog, to me.
     
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  9. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    a location would be nice as well. maybe he was over on this side (green dot?)
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  10. Z.W. Wolf

    Z.W. Wolf Senior Member

    -I didn't point to that particular event. There were many events.

    -Are you sure what a fireball smoke trail looks like? This one from Arizona has evolved a complex shape because of winds.

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    Over time, the smoke trail evolved into a more substantial outbreak of clouds. Why? Because of condensation around the small bits of dust in the trail. In effect it is a contrail.
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  11. Z.W. Wolf

    Z.W. Wolf Senior Member

    That seems to be an inference made by the reporter.

    And this is an inference made by the guy who wasn't there, but got sent the clip.

    Could be just an ordinary contrail. But this sort of story - light moving across the sky leaving a trail - is usually generated by a plane and contrail illuminated in the twilight sky after local sunset.

    If the eyewitnesses saw a daylight fireball it would make sense. No way to tell though, so I think we've gone as far as we can with this one.
     
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  12. Trailspotter

    Trailspotter Senior Member

    Unfortunately, this link is unaccessible to me:

    So it does to me too.
     
  13. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    you're not missing anything. M Bornongs pic in post #4 is pretty much it. the wisps dont even change over the course of the '19' second video. here's the tail end. Not much info given in the article written by
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  14. Curt Collins

    Curt Collins New Member

    Thanks for your comments and suggestions. There's a new story out, much better than the first, and the answer seems to be contrail and sunlight.
    Mysterious flying object over Lake Winnipeg likely sun reflecting off plane clouds

     
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  15. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    from your article
    It's not that unusual, i was watching my 3pm-4:30 pm sky yesterday to verify to myself the sun position looks too low for 3pm (although maybe Canada skies differ?)

    anyway, i caught the same thing. it was hard to get pics of because in my case the sun was right behind the contrail and was blinding me. bright end is below the window sash..
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    oops apparently i took many.. this one doesnt have the sash break up
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  16. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    i was wondering why it hadn't made the UFO cycle yesterday.. guess it took them a while to find it. His enhanced pic doesnt look anything like a UFO. i see no "o".

    https://www.ufosightingsdaily.com/
     
  17. Curt Collins

    Curt Collins New Member

    Waring. What a phony. He's a promoter, for sure!

    I've never seen a contrail like this one, but have seen lots of lingering fragments illuminated by the sun. The effect was that of a glowing streak hovering in the sky. I'm sure this was something similar.
     
  18. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    ive never noticed one either. but in your not zoomed still shot in the OP, it doesnt really look firebally so i'm sure i wouldn't notice such a thing in the sky.

    Cool pics (video) though. Glad she took it.
     
  19. M Bornong

    M Bornong Senior Member

    A little better article from the CBC. I don't think it's a very good description of a contrail.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/sighting-lake-winnipeg-1.4976634
     
  20. Trailspotter

    Trailspotter Senior Member

    As already suggested by @M Bornong, this looks very much like a sun dog on a spread out contrail/cirrus cloud. The coloured spot has the same elevation above the horizon as the Sun, and the order of rainbow colours is as expected for a sun dog. It should also be about 22° from the sun, which could be readily verified if the camera did not zoom in and out all the time.
     
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  21. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I also agree it looks like a contrail with a sundog. (late to the party!)
     
  22. ufoofinterest

    ufoofinterest Member

    Iridescent contrail and a lens flare, not a sundog.
     
  23. cloudspotter

    cloudspotter Senior Member

    What makes you think it's iridescence and not a sun dog?
     
  24. ufoofinterest

    ufoofinterest Member

    It depends on what we are referring to: about lens flare I was referring to this:
    Source: https://imgur.com/X5Y515c
     
  25. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    i think he is asking why you are saying this coloring in the sky is iridescence and not a sun dog. ( i have no idea what this thing in the sky is called)

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  26. cloudspotter

    cloudspotter Senior Member

    I didn't mention the lens flare. I was talking about the contrail with the bright coloured spot
     
  27. ufoofinterest

    ufoofinterest Member

    Ah ok, I thought the lens flare was part of the discussion. About the the color of the contrail I thought an effect like this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Iridescent_contrail.jpg
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  28. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    The iridescence in a contrail only a second or so in any one spot, it is also a different spectrum of colors.

    What we see in the OP is a sundog that coincidently lines up with the end of a contrail that a plane created earlier.
     
  29. ufoofinterest

    ufoofinterest Member

    So, it's a sundog that crosses a contrail? What an unbelievable coincidence, thanks for explanation!
     
  30. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Happens all the time. I've seen a few myself.
    https://www.google.com/search?q="contrail"+"sundog"&num=50&source=lnms&tbm=isch
    Metabunk 2019-01-17 09-26-55.
     
  31. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

  32. ufoofinterest

    ufoofinterest Member

    Thanks again Mick, I saw several sundogs but never something like that effect.
     
  33. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    It's not a coincidence exactly - the sundog will appear when the contrail is in the right position relative to the sun. Contrail clouds are ideal for creating solar haloes and sundogs - a phenomenon that was being discussed back in the 1940s, in some letters to The Times newspaper I found:
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    Discussion at https://www.metabunk.org/posts/165862/

    ("Mock sun" is another term for a sun dog, or parhelion)
     
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