I am not a debunker although I have believed a whole lot of bunk. What concerns me as I've watched this discussion unravel, is the "I'll throw as much mud against the wall as I can find, believing that some will stick" mentality. Oxy, if you actually believe that real planes hit the twin towers, why belabor the point of poor quality news feeds that are in direct contradiction to your own views? What relevance does poor video footage have if you believe planes really hit those towers?
Firstly, thank you for such a reasoned and IMO balanced post. I am interested in how you transitioned to accepting the OS.
You are not alone in believing bunk. Every person on the planet has swallowed plenty in their time, no matter what they believe.
It's quite simple I know Bush & co were involved
... the only question is to what extent and that may never come out.
The poor quality and dubious editing of the footage which was played worlwide and over and over and over again is, as you say, a bit off topic but I thought it appropriate to raise due to the similarly poor quality of the video you posted which someone was using to demonstrate 'in a scientific manner', how the collapse of 7 occurred. NIST, Mick and Jazzy claim it collapsed internally due to one support failing, leaving a skin which fell in near free fall.
One it should not have fallen at all and remains to this date as unique in being the only steel framed structure to totally collapse due to fire.
You can argue 'oh it was near twice free fall' if you like but as it only took seconds anyway, it hardly matters.... it did not fall in stages... it did not topple... one side did not fall followed by another etc etc.
Anyway, I find it incredible that people are using such poor quality video to try to back up their argument as what anyone can see on it is so distorted you can interpret it virtually how you like.
This is the common thread of the truth movement. Throw as many incredible theories against the wall expecting that in the end, one conspiracy theory will stick. It doesn't even matter if any of them can individually stand scrutiny because the sum of the parts is greater than the individual theories themselves.
The 9/11 truth movement is all over the place. Some swear that the networks were part of this grand illusion as the "Fake Planes" video attempted to prove, while others believe varying fragments of that story i.e. that there was little wreckage and only bone fragments of bodies found.
Some believe this and others believe that and some just plain don't know but they do know it stinks.
If I see someone make an elephant disappear before my eyes, I probably will not be able to work out how they did it but I will know that it isn't real.
As a former card carrying 9/11 truther who believed that 9/11 was an inside job; Sandy Hook was a false flag hoax; that we didn't land on the moon; that the NWO is trying to decrease developed nations population through chemtrails, GMO's and vaccination programs etc., I began to see that I was becoming so irrational that I believed opposing views of the same story. On the one hand I didn't believe that planes hit the towers or the Pentagon, nor did a plane crash in that PA field, and yet on the other hand I believed that the planes that hit the twin towers could not have caused the collapses. In other words, I had all angles covered with the belief that one of them was true. This is ludicrous.
I am having a little trouble with this section... it sounds as if you only very very recently stopped believing in CT's.
Yes, I am incriminating myself as a temporary fool, but that's the point. There's a level of schizophrenia that is built into the conspiracy equation. The thought process is convoluted. How could I applaud the video shown above "proving" that no planes hit the towers and yet believe that they did hit the towers but could not have precipitated the collapse?
The answer is simple. Instead of attempting to prove each theory and let it stand on its own merit, I believed the sum of the theories by virtue of the sheer number of the possibilities. I never even considered that, amidst all the evidence, that each conspiracy theory could in fact be false.
I think I covered that with the elephant.
Oxy, why is the "fade to black" in that video feed relevant if the plane actually hit the tower? Listen, I think building 7 is the one that's being questioned here, so can't we stick to that? The video "If this does not get through to you nothing will" was supposedly proof that WTC7's collapse was due to controlled detonation/demolition. I've watched that video numerous times and looked for others like it. There are none.
I think it quite possibly is fake... which is why I posted it to see if anyone better qualified and more knowledgeable than I could shed any light on it... if it was layered or anything, I don't know, I am not into grphics and morphing so have no idea on it.
Can we determine first of all, if this is a mirror image (since the penthouse is shown on the right but in all others the penthouse is on the left)
That would be a step in the right direction if we could determine if it is a mirror image or not.
And second, were the detonations added? They look fake and the sound could be easily added, but I'm not a video expert. It would be far more believable if this video was of the rear of the building (south side) where the damage was far more visible. I've not seen one video from the south side of WTC7. This would be the only one. And I also find it odd that it would be buried at the end of another video if it proved conclusively that detonations were both seen and heard. I've heard no such sounds from any of the other videos.
But don't you think it very strange there is no video of the collapse from the other side? Cameramen must have been jostling to get the best views... that's their job.
So can we please stick to WTC7. In my view, this is the centerpiece of the 9/11 truth movement. This is the one that swayed me and many others to believe that the whole thing was a grand conspiracy of the US govt.
I am happy to stay on topic