Why are there so many CTs surrounding the Battle of Fallujah?

Rafterman

Member
With Syria being a hot topic over the past few days, I've suddenly become aware of a multitude of conspiracy theories related to the 2004 Second Battle of Fallujah.

These usually come up when someone is attacking the US' moral authority to strike against the Assad regime and its recent use of chemical weapons. "Well the US is a hypocrite because they used XX in Fallujah"

And as I've read, XX appears to be any or all of the following: Mustard Gas, Sarin Gas, NUCLEAR WEAPONS (yes, nuclear weapons, but some new kind that's undetectable), Napalm Gas (whatever the hell that is), and good old fashioned napalm. Then there are the folks claiming that the more conventional weapons like white phosphorous and depleted uranium are chemical weapons - debatable I guess.

As "in tune" to most CTs as I tend to think I am, I just found it odd that all of these Fallujah related CTs are out there. I realize that it was one heck of a battle and probably the closest US forces came to a battlefield defeat during the Iraq conflict, so maybe that's the answer.

Any thoughts?
 

David Fraser

Senior Member.
I not aware of any conspiracies. They admitted to using White Phosphorus rounds and it is suspected that fuel bombs (like napalm) were used. That's as far as my knowledge.
 

Badnews Bear

New Member
I have found a few reports of white phosphorus used on humans and some others of deformed babies possibly linked to depleted uranium, but nothing regarding 'XX'

Those deformed babies are seriously messed up, but some do look Photoshopped. If there is any truth to the statistics on the rise of birth defects or use of white phosphorus on humans, I don't see any way of avoiding the "US is a hypocrite" argument.
 

pseacraft

Active Member
I am with Dave here what CT's?

WP and DU are not against international law or any international treaties on warfare that I am aware of. Certain gas agents are also not illegal such as CS, DN and others. I also heard that both sides had lobed chlorine at each other a few times as an irritant to flush them out. However the agents that were allegedly used in this particular event seem to be one of those that are banned. However, I also believe Syria is not a signatory to the chemical munitions treaties.

Also, come to think of it, are we not all hypocrites to some degree or another on occasion?
 

80hd

New Member
If you get right down to it, any high-explosive, incendiary, or tracer (or combination thereof) is a "chemical weapon".

Those attempting to put white phosphorus, depleted uranium, or napalm into the chemical weapon category are simply intellectually dishonest.
 

Grieves

Senior Member
Those attempting to put white phosphorus, depleted uranium, or napalm into the chemical weapon category are simply intellectually dishonest.
Like the Department of Defense?
 

Noblelox

Member
I first came across this CT from Muslim posters on the "Innocents of Muslim" video nearly a year ago. Basically it is false reporting which is usually followed up with claims of mass murder, rapes and killing of children. This is some of the disinfo that inspired the Islamist motivated murder of Lee Rigby in Woolwich.

The deformed babies is included in part of a report by an Irish scientist who's name escapes me for now. You'll hear claims of depleted uranium and, get this, enriched uranium and White Phosphorus (WP) being refered to chemical weapons. They will also say depleted shells were used in "the battle of Falluja". The official report is DU wasn't used then but was used in the intitail invasion. The scientists who reviewed the report said it made a point for further research but was not conclusive. Somewhere along the line Iraqi's have twisted the report, sighted it for potential compensation claims and sighted it for reasons of Jihad, even though sectarianism has killed far more Muslims in Iraq than by Allied forced did.
 

Badnews Bear

New Member
This is some of the disinfo that inspired the Islamist motivated murder of Lee Rigby in Woolwich.

The deformed babies is included in part of a report by an Irish scientist who's name escapes me for now.

The deformed babies are disifno? they do raise many questions, but answers are not easy to find. Please elaborate a bit.
 

Noblelox

Member
The deformed babies are disifno? they do raise many questions, but answers are not easy to find. Please elaborate a bit.
What? Why have you sliced and diced two separate sentances from two separate paragraphs and cobbled the word "disinfo", from the first paragraph, into the second?
Would you care to rephrase.
 
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Badnews Bear

New Member
The sentences were from different paragraphs, but were right next to each other. Since you mentioned the babies being in a report, but did not give any info at all about the content of the report, I turned to cobbling. If I am misguided in my cobbling, ok, my bad. But do you remember anything specific about the report?
 

Noblelox

Member
The sentences were from different paragraphs, but were right next to each other. Since you mentioned the babies being in a report, but did not give any info at all about the content of the report, I turned to cobbling. If I am misguided in my cobbling, ok, my bad. But do you remember anything specific about the report?

There is some speculation about an increase in birth defects in Falluja. Pictures on the net and percenrage increase figures. The Irish Doctor made some connection to depleted uranium and white phosphorus which was found in soil samples in or around Falluja. The peir review said it was inconclusive but did establish a base for a proper review. It also said although birth defects do happen there was a lack of official figures on previous historical defects to the area. No account was taken for mental stress on the mothers. It infered that birth defects do increase when mothers are stressed. New to me but I'm no doctor.
There were soil samples but I can't remember if it was WP or DU that was sighted as the most probable cause for any defects.
Certain websights have used bits and bobs from the initial reports to defame the west. Typically they refer to birth defects, WP and DU. Some sites say there was depleted and enriched uranium. A search shows there are no "enriched" shells, morters or bullets. Another search shows the US as saying DU was never used at the battle of Falluja but some DU was used in the initial invasion. All the anti west websights blame all the deaths of Iraqi's on the west. Nothing is mentioned about shiite v sunny secterianism which has killed far more. This is still happened to day...secterianism in Iraq.

I've been in many conversations with muslims from around the world. Falluja gets quoted in depth from time to time as does the amount of people they think have and are being killed and raped by the west. They would have you believe US & UK soldiers are raping women daily as well as murdering civilian men, women and children daily. Hence my reference to Lee Rigby. The fact no Allies are in Iraq escapes them. The fact that more Afghans are crippled and killed by Taliban suicide bombers, car / truck bombs, mortor shells and IED's also escapes them. If you ever read the (search) Taliban website in English you'd think the Taliban only kills their enemy and not civilians. You'd also think the Taliban are winning.

I wouldn't call this a conspiracy theory in the true sense. It's out and out anti western propaganda.

If you want to find the report my tip is to asscertain the name of the Irish doctor and then search the pier review of his paper. You'll get both reports rather than all the anti western websites. Sorry if I was vague in my first post. It would have been better to have provided a link but I remember it took me hours to find it in the first place.

Edited Christopher Busby is the guy. I believe these links are his reports. You'll need to search for the reviews if you want that too

http://www.conflictandhealth.com/content/5/1/15

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2922729/
 
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