If you want to get into the actual science, then do as I suggested. Pick something, verify it is correct, then start a thread explaining how it contradicts NIST.
Maybe because he's not affiliated with an agency with links to Department of Defense which stood to benefit from the attack? Show me these 1000s of scientists who agree with the NIST...Why is his OPINION more important than that of 1,000's of other physicists and structural engineers that agree with the NIST.
Pick a point that hasn't already been debunked to death and start a thread.
http://www.netxnews.net/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/04/09/443801bdadd6eLetter to the Editor
Refuting 9/11 Conspiracy Theory
April 09, 2006
After reading in the Daily Herald the presentations made by Professor Steven E. Jones (BYU Physics) to students at UVSC and BYU, I feel obligated to reply to his "Conspiracy Theory" relating to the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center (9/11/01).
I have studied the summary of the report by FEMA, The American Society of Civil Engineers and several other professional engineering organizations. These experts have given in detail the effects on the Towers by the impact of the commercial aircraft. I have also read Professor Jones' (referred to) 42 page unpublished report. In my understanding of structural design and the properties of structural steel I find Professor Jones' thesis that planted explosives (rather than fire from the planes) caused the collapse of the Towers, very unreliable.
The structural design of the towers was unique in that the supporting steel structure consisted of closely spaced columns in the walls of all four sides. The resulting structure was similar to a tube. When the aircraft impacted the towers at speeds of about 500 plus mph, many steel columns were immediately severed and others rendered weak by the following fires. The fires critically damaged the floors systems. Structural steel will begin to lose strength when heated to temperatures above 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. Steel bridge girders are bent to conform to the curved roadway by spot heating flanges between 800 and 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. It is easy to comprehend the loss of carrying capacity of all the structural steel due to the raging fires fed by the jet's fuel as well as aircraft and building contents.
Before one (especially students) supports such a conspiracy theory, they should investigate all details of the theory. To me a practicing structural engineer of 57 continuous years (1941-1998), Professor Jones' presentations are very disturbing.
D. Allan Firmage
Professor Emeritus, Civil Engineering, BYU
What does that have do to with anything? You do realise that is not evidence for a single thing except your own bias?Maybe because he's not affiliated with an agency with links to Department of Defense which stood to benefit from the attack? Show me these 1000s of scientists who agree with the NIST...
Declassified documents have proven it to be a lie. It was a lie which was used to launch a war at the expense of 58,000 Americans and millions of Vietnamese lives so a few corporate interests could make a vast PROFIT. Such as Brown & Root (which later became Halliburton) who made BILLIONS from the war and it's come out that LBJ received massive cash payments from them.What exactly do you think the gulf of tonkin attack was?
Asking an agency with investigators linked to Department of Defense to carry out this investigation is like asking Eric Holder to investigate himself for the illegal wiretapping of AP reporters. Would you be inclined to consider an independent investigative findings or Eric Holder's investigative findings?What does that have do to with anything? You do realise that is not evidence for a single thing except your own bias?
Maybe because he's not affiliated with an agency with links to Department of Defense which stood to benefit from the attack?
Show me these 1000s of scientists who agree with the NIST...
The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) — known between 1901 and 1988 as the National Bureau of Standards (NBS) — is a measurement standards laboratory, otherwise known as a National Metrological Institute (NMI), which is a non-regulatory agency of the United States Department of Commerce. The institute's official mission is to:
I have an opinion on what was being 'discussed', and shared it. I quoted your post as it was a pretty distinct example of using the question as a platform from which to make negative generalizations about "CTers" as a whole, which was my opinion of this thread in a nutshell.The question was quite clear - what keeps conspiracy theories alive - if you have an opinion share it. If you don't, then that's fine.
First, I'd have to question where exactly this subject was going for me to have 'derailed' it. Second, I'm sorry to have insulted you. None the less, there were some earnest questions in my post as to your opinion on the 9/11 commission which you've not addressed throughout, focusing instead on my 'attack'.This does nothing other than to derail and detract from the subject matter and perhaps to insult. And quite frankly, it is irritating.
I have absolutely nothing against Judges. I'd just be incredibly surprised if you were one, which is why I asked. You still seem to be implying you're a Judge here. I mean no offense when I say I don't think that's the case. And, as I'm sure you were suggesting, my job isn't all that difficult, no.I recognise that not everyone has the ability to be a legal research assistant, but having a personal dislike or problem with certain professions (in this case Judges and the Military) should not be a reason to launch attacks on people you perceive to be in those professions. Just keep to the facts of this topic.
**COUGH-AFGHANISTAN-IRAQ-LIBYA-SYRIA-COUGH**Every government in the world benefited from 9/11.