Video shows missile hitting West Texas fertilizer plant

[joelb79]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KNs3CQKjQo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9S7yVbqcmg

please help me debunk this. This one seems to be picking up steam online, lots of videos and content being created on this.

 

[solrey]

The heat of the fire and/or embers caused a nearby storage tank to explode down wind from the fire, the force of which triggered the larger explosion. There are usually numerous tanks inside and outside of a fertilizer plant. Pretty straightforward if you ask me, no need for missiles, directed energy weapons or other exotic hooha to explain this one.

 

[F4Jock]

My take: It's apparently a gas flare from one of the anhydrous ammonia or other tanks just before it blew.

What caused the explosion was apparently one or more of the anhydrous ammonia or other tanks blowing. The fires seen burning out of control before the blast would have heated the liquid and the gas present in the tank above that liquid to a point where, expanding rapidly, it would have either ruptured the tank or blown a safety. The escaping gas would not have ignited until the air / gas mixture supported combustion, "(Think butane lighter.) hence the initial gap shown between the flame and the ground.

The explosion just afterward was caused by the rest of the tank(s) contents cooking off.

Understand that I've pieced this together based on my work in refineries and my knowledge of what might have been present in a fertilizer plant so I may not have identified the compound in the tanks properly, but I'd be willing to put some money on the explosive mechanism being as I described it.

There was no missile, only the uninformed observations of some fool looking for another conspiracy.

 

[Trigger Hippie]

My take: It's apparently a gas flare from one of the anhydrous ammonia or other tanks just before it blew.

My thoughts too.

Here are the frames in question. There seems to be a flare entering from the left.







Anhydrous ammonia gas can be explosive in concentrations over 16% and at temps of 1,200 F.

Is it explosive?
Yes--under certain conditions, at least. It's not, on its own, very flammable, but if there's a leak of the chemical, it can ignite when it becomes about 16 to 25 percent of the air--a huge, usually detectable concentration--and reaches temperatures of at least 1,200 degrees Fahrenheit. Since it takes that much heat to ignite, the gas likely wasn't the source of the fire, although it could've ignited and exacerbated it if the fire was caused by something else. The tanks are also stored at high pressure, so could become explosive during a fire. And in the case of the West, Texas explosion, there was a lot of the stuff: as much as 54,000 pounds.

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So we have large storage tanks venting anhydrous ammonia and when the gas plume reaches a critical temperature and concentration it combusts... or the government is using a drone attack to detonate 27 tons of ammonia instead of using a stick of dynamite.

 

[JRBids]

My take: It's apparently a gas flare from one of the anhydrous ammonia or other tanks just before it blew.

What caused the explosion was apparently one or more of the anhydrous ammonia or other tanks blowing. The fires seen burning out of control before the blast would have heated the liquid and the gas present in the tank above that liquid to a point where, expanding rapidly, it would have either ruptured the tank or blown a safety. The escaping gas would not have ignited until the air / gas mixture supported combustion, "(Think butane lighter.) hence the initial gap shown between the flame and the ground.

The explosion just afterward was caused by the rest of the tank(s) contents cooking off.

Understand that I've pieced this together based on my work in refineries and my knowledge of what might have been present in a fertilizer plant so I may not have identified the compound in the tanks properly, but I'd be willing to put some money on the explosive mechanism being as I described it.

There was no missile, only the uninformed observations of some fool looking for another conspiracy.

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Like I have to ask when I read the chemtrail forums "is there any weather that is NOT manufactured", these people think there is no natural disaster, no murder, no attack no NOTHING that is not a false flag/gov't plot.

 

[F4Jock]

My thoughts too.

Here are the frames in question. There seems to be a flare entering from the left.


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Anhydrous ammonia gas can be explosive in concentrations over 16% and at temps of 1,200 F.

Is it explosive?
Yes--under certain conditions, at least. It's not, on its own, very flammable, but if there's a leak of the chemical, it can ignite when it becomes about 16 to 25 percent of the air--a huge, usually detectable concentration--and reaches temperatures of at least 1,200 degrees Fahrenheit. Since it takes that much heat to ignite, the gas likely wasn't the source of the fire, although it could've ignited and exacerbated it if the fire was caused by something else. The tanks are also stored at high pressure, so could become explosive during a fire. And in the case of the West, Texas explosion, there was a lot of the stuff: as much as 54,000 pounds.

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It's not entering, it's leaving. Once again think butane lighter. The unignited source gas is screaming out somewhere behind that tree or black smoke hugging the ground center left. It expands, reaches the proper air/gas mixture and after it ignites it approaches top left and expands further as it burns and its velocity slows.

 

[F4Jock]

And you won't disabuse them of that if they are "true believers." After you state something so many times further discussion becomes pointless and it only serves to feed the conspiracist's need for attention.

 

[Trigger Hippie]

It's not entering, it's leaving. Once again think butane lighter. The unignited source gas is screaming out somewhere behind that tree or black smoke hugging the ground center left. It expands, reaches the proper air/gas mixture and after it ignites it approaches top left and expands further as it burns and its velocity slows.

Are we saying the same thing?

I'm speculating that origin of the gas is within the frame (like behind the tree or whatever), but the ignition source looks like it's beyond the left edge of the frame.

 

[F4Jock]

Are we saying the same thing?

I'm speculating that origin of the gas is within the frame (like behind the tree or whatever), but the ignition source looks like it's beyond the left edge of the frame.

Apparently. Sorry, didn't understand what you meant. Thanks for clarifying!

 

[Oxymoron]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KNs3CQKjQo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9S7yVbqcmg

please help me debunk this. This one seems to be picking up steam online, lots of videos and content being created on this.

1) There is nothing to debunk... it is a fertilizer plant that was on fire and the exploded.

2) The people on you tube called it what it was and debunked it in situ.

 

[joelb79]

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It's this video that has me thinking that one explosion happens a split second before a much larger detonation happens. Much like one spot of the plant exploded causing a detonation of a larger area. This all looks local to me from this view from farther away and not like a missile. This was the focus of my debunks on forums sites for this issue, but people are still spreading stupid and of course starting ad hominem attacks like I am a CIA agent, ect.

 

[Unregistered]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KNs3CQKjQo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9S7yVbqcmg

please help me debunk this. This one seems to be picking up steam online, lots of videos and content being created on this.

Why are you do intent to debunk this. Shouldn't you just seek for the truth?

 

[Mick West]

Debunking IS seeking the truth, by getting rid of bunk.

 

[Pete Tar]

Why are you intent to *believe* this? Shouldn't you just seek for the truth?

 

[Unregistered]

http://youtu.be/7hG7Mbkj2AQ

Science can explain this one.

 

[RolandD]

That candle video is freakin' awesome.

In addition to the anhydrous ammonia, they were storing 470 tons of ammonium nitrate on site. One of the two, sitting at some distance downwind from the fire at the plant, appears to have reached critical temperature and the ensuing explosion set off the other.

It appears that that amount of ammonium nitrate is 1300 times the amount that on site storage must be reported to the DHS, which it appears that they failed to do. I foresee lots of civil and criminal trials resulting from this incident.

 

[joelb79]

Today I ran across somebody postulating that the motive for the government to strike the West Texas fertilizer plant was that they filed a lawsuit against Monsanto; and therefore since the Obama administration is in bed with Monsanto that they struck the plant with military planes.

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Of course this is a ridiculous claim that I have no idea how to address at all.

 

[Trigger Hippie]

Of course this is a ridiculous claim that I have no idea how to address at all.

One possibility is to follow Hitchens' example and simply don't address it, it's just too ridiculous and not worth your time or effort.

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[Mick West]

One possibility is to follow Hitchens' example and simply don't address it, it's just too ridiculous and not worth your time or effort.

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I love that.

I know many people feel I'm wasting my time arguing with truthers, etc, but I do try to draw the line at a certain level of improbability, or at things that got to far beyond simple misunderstanding. I see no point discussing things like shape shifting reptiles, astrology, or the no-plane 9/11ers.

You don't have to answer every question that is raised, and characterizing the question as a waste of time is generally all the reasoning that is needed.

 

[F4Jock]

....,,;characterizing the question as a waste of time is generally all the reasoning that is needed.

But if we do so, doesn't that violate the politeness doctrine?

 

[F4Jock]

That candle video is freakin' awesome.

In addition to the anhydrous ammonia, they were storing 470 tons of ammonium nitrate on site. One of the two, sitting at some distance downwind from the fire at the plant, appears to have reached critical temperature and the ensuing explosion set off the other.

It appears that that amount of ammonium nitrate is 1300 times the amount that on site storage must be reported to the DHS, which it appears that they failed to do. I foresee lots of civil and criminal trials resulting from this incident.

Yeah! The local FD wasn't told. They walked into a death trap!

 

[lotek]

f4, it is mick's site, and he states openly that the policy is enforced selectively and unevenly, usually more harshly against us than unreg/new/CT supporters to be honest.

i am okay with this.

a sort of member by the name of lee oswald(blanket ct supporter) tried to say mick was censoring his posts with the policy to which i told him in private message mick had deleted many more of mine in the past week(i was having an angry week...) than his, and not to take it as some omen or conspiracy... i was told promptly to fuck off =] its got nothing to do with your pov, in fact i think he tends to hold the rest of us to a tighter format to help the site look less angry/full of douchebags.


If the policy was enforced firmly and across the board, we wouldnt have anyone(new) to talk to but oxy, joe and grieves, despite the occasional tirades =[


I played with AN/ANFO/APPN/APAN as a child/pre-911, never more than 200 grams secondary and even then it was scary at times. i cant imagine the FD not being told, that is just terrifying!

 

[F4Jock]

f4, it is mick's site, and he states openly that the policy is enforced selectively and unevenly, usually more harshly against us than unreg/new/CT supporters to be honest.

i am okay with this.

a sort of member by the name of lee oswald(blanket ct supporter) tried to say mick was censoring his posts with the policy to which i told him in private message mick had deleted many more of mine in the past week(i was having an angry week...) than his, and not to take it as some omen or conspiracy... i was told promptly to fuck off =] its got nothing to do with your pov, in fact i think he tends to hold the rest of us to a tighter format to help the site look less angry/full of douchebags.


If the policy was enforced firmly and across the board, we wouldnt have anyone(new) to talk to but oxy, joe and grieves, despite the occasional tirades =[


I played with AN/ANFO/APPN/APAN as a child/pre-911, never more than 200 grams secondary and even then it was scary at times. i cant imagine the FD not being told, that is just terrifying!

Yeah they weren't told. The stored quantities were illegal.

Moving right along, I can't disagree with what you just wrote or Mick's overarching site philosophy at all. My problem is that even in friendly debate who hasn't said "Oh come on, that's just plain stupid!!" Forced uber-politeness in the face of total and repetitive disagreement is not only frustrating but comes across as surreal! Somehow I'd rather be allowed to use some sarcasm than go off and bang my head into a wall because it feels so good when I stop. We all have unique ways of expressing ourselves. Makes the world go 'round,

 

[lotek]

perhaps ask him in a pm about this. i took huge issue with him redacting a few large posts i made on one subject in particular so i pmed him and asked for an explanation, he gave one, which i feel the pros greatly outweight the cons.

it doesnt really matter if you alienate people who are off world enough to believe in shape shifters etc by insulting them, but if in passing you do it in a thread about gmo or barium blah blah you may ward of an otherwise receptive reader. i always have to remind myself about the views, not the replies. look at the huge discrepancy there. 20k views on a thread with 100 posts. seems sometimes not offending people uninvolved in the talk could go along way in preventing the formation of future 'awake' to debunkabattle with.

i feel i get away with being an ass often enough ;]

 

[F4Jock]

perhaps ask him in a pm about this. i took huge issue with him redacting a few large posts i made on one subject in particular so i pmed him and asked for an explanation, he gave one, which i feel the pros greatly outweight the cons.

it doesnt really matter if you alienate people who are off world enough to believe in shape shifters etc by insulting them, but if in passing you do it in a thread about gmo or barium blah blah you may ward of an otherwise receptive reader. i always have to remind myself about the views, not the replies. look at the huge discrepancy there. 20k views on a thread with 100 posts. seems sometimes not offending people uninvolved in the talk could go along way in preventing the formation of future 'awake' to debunkabattle with.

i feel i get away with being an ass often enough ;]

People read and hopefully can discern fact from fiction. My question: Do our debates help anyone make informed decisions or change change minds 'cause apparently none of us are budging from our positions.

 

[Mick West]

But if we do so, doesn't that violate the politeness doctrine?

The "waste of time" is what you remind yourself you don't want to do, to avoid engaging people. You can tell people essentially that without being as blunt at Hitch.

I have occasionally turned people away with "this is not the right forum for you" (a "targeted individual" with a rather complex theory).

 

[Mick West]

People read and hopefully can discern fact from fiction. My question: Do our debates help anyone make informed decisions or change change minds 'cause apparently none of us are budging from our positions.

It's a game of inches. Kaizen. I'm not really sure if the debates help other people. I know that the debunking posts and collaborative debunking threads help people. They sometimes write and tell me.

Just recently, one of the people accused of being a Sandy Hook "crisis actor" wrote and thanked me for setting the record straight. I feel that on balance it's doing more good than not, even if it's just a little.

 

[MyMatesBrainwashed]

It MUST be a missile.

Given the infinite number of ways that "they" could cause explosions, including many secret technologies that you don't know about, a missile is by far the most covert and simple method of blowing something up.

They tried using planes before but people noticed.

Definitely a missile. They just didn't think anyone would film it and spot it.

 

[F4Jock]

It's a game of inches. Kaizen. I'm not really sure if the debates help other people. I know that the debunking posts and collaborative debunking threads help people. They sometimes write and tell me.

Just recently, one of the people accused of being a Sandy Hook "crisis actor" wrote and thanked me for setting the record straight. I feel that on balance it's doing more good than not, even if it's just a little.

It'd be nice to see some of these comments. Give us the feeling that we're doing some good......

 

[lotek]

could be cause for social backlash, or breach of their personal privacy.

 

[RolandD]

It MUST be a missile.

Given the infinite number of ways that "they" could cause explosions, including many secret technologies that you don't know about, a missile is by far the most covert and simple method of blowing something up.

They tried using planes before but people noticed.

Definitely a missile. They just didn't think anyone would film it and spot it.

They've been wanting to blow it up for years, but they had to wait for it to catch on fire, first.

 

[F4Jock]

They've been wanting to blow it up for years, but they had to wait for it to catch on fire, first.

Yeah! "They" have had missiles cocked and locked for years with crews manning them 24/7 just waiting for this to happen!

 

[Cairenn]

I understand that the owners were local residents also.

 

[BCP]

https://m.facebook.com/#!/RTnews?id=326683984410&_rdrRT Facebook is where it's at if you want a laugh. It's like a smorgasbord of CT's as soon as anything bad happens in America, yet when the same happens in Russia it's messages of condolences and compassion.

America - False Flag!
Russian - That's terrible my heart goes out to them.

They are still going potty over the Texas fertilizer fire today.















Seriously, this Facebook page is more fun than http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/04/25/300177/washington-planned-boston-bombings/Press TV.

 

[F4Jock]

https://m.facebook.com/#!/RTnews?id=326683984410&_rdrRT Facebook is where it's at if you want a laugh. It's like a smorgasbord of CT's as soon as anything bad happens in America, yet when the same happens in Russia it's messages of condolences and compassion.

America - False Flag!
Russian - That's terrible my heart goes out to them.

They are still going potty over the Texas fertilizer fire

Like I said " You can't fix ......." Oh never mind.

 

[BCP]

Like I said " You can't fix ......." Oh never mind.

I like to keep some more stupid by feeding them all types of crap to believe in. RT Facebook is hilarious for crazy people.

I'm actually working on given them what they want. Sucking up to their paranoia and creating a "Disinfo" site. A few of us including a few professionals (ex-armed forces from a few countries) are working on our own CT website. It'll be total BS with everything made up. From names to interviews to stories but its ALL FACT! Total psychobabble bollocks played straight just for the laffs. Increase their paranoia whilst pretending to be their friends. When they start linking our stories on other sites then i know our job has been done.

 

[joelb79]

I'm actually working on given them what they want. Sucking up to their paranoia and creating a "Disinfo" site. A few of us including a few professionals (ex-armed forces from a few countries) are working on our own CT website. It'll be total BS with everything made up. From names to interviews to stories but its ALL FACT! Total psychobabble bollocks played straight just for the laffs. Increase their paranoia whilst pretending to be their friends. When they start linking our stories on other sites then i know our job has been done.

Of course you have to picture the irony of posting this on Metabunk. In essence, your saying you plan to give the forums future content to de-bunk. Awesome sauce.

 

[F4Jock]

Of course you have to picture the irony of posting this on Metabunk. In essence, your saying you plan to give the forums future content to de-bunk. Awesome sauce.

I think it's time for a cocktail!

 

[BCP]

Of course you have to picture the irony of posting this on Metabunk. In essence, your saying you plan to give the forums future content to de-bunk. Awesome sauce.

Some may read this. I haven't made it a secret. The more they know the better. They just don't know the title or the names we will go under. It'll make them more suspicious of sites they visit in case it might be us, their friends.

We're gonna f**k them up!

 

[Mick West]

I like to keep some more stupid by feeding them all types of crap to believe in. RT Facebook is hilarious for crazy people.

I'm actually working on given them what they want. Sucking up to their paranoia and creating a "Disinfo" site. A few of us including a few professionals (ex-armed forces from a few countries) are working on our own CT website. It'll be total BS with everything made up. From names to interviews to stories but its ALL FACT! Total psychobabble bollocks played straight just for the laffs. Increase their paranoia whilst pretending to be their friends. When they start linking our stories on other sites then i know our job has been done.

That's highly counterproductive. I'm afraid you can't be a member here if you are going to do things like that. They don't need more disinfo - all that will happen is either they will believe it even after you try to "reveal" it, or they will be given more ammo for the claim that you, and everyone you associate with, is a government shill.

So if you are going ahead with that, then I'm afraid I'm going to have to ban you, to avoid association.