UFOs and Nukes: Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapons Sites (Malmstrom)

[Jason]

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/09/23/aliens-monitoring-nukes-worry-ex-air-force-officers/
http://www.citizenhearing.org/witnesses_robert_s.html
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=utamtXmxX8E


I didn't know where to discuss this sort of thing since it happened almost half a century ago, and I couldn't find anything about this on this forum. I've never been one to believe in aliens or UFO's, but I have to be honest this kind of gave me the chills. I was watching tv with my wife last night on the science channel and this topic came on. A captain in the US Airforce claims a UFO shut down our nuclear missile site at Malmstrom AFB in Montana in 1967.
He discusses this with Fox News;

"We're talking about unidentified flying objects, as simple as that," Salas told FoxNews.com. "They're often known as UFOs, you could call them that," he added. Salas, a former U.S. Air Force nuclear missile launch officer, will host the event along with researcher Robert Hastings, author of "UFOs and Nukes: Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapons Sites.

According to the pair, witness testimony from more than 120 former or retired military personnel points to an ongoing and alarming intervention by unidentified aerial objects at nuclear weapons sites, as recently as 2003. In some cases, several nuclear missiles simultaneously and inexplicably malfunctioned while a disc-shaped object silently hovered nearby.

"I was on duty when an object came over and hovered directly over the site," Salas said, regarding the March 16, 1967, event at Malmstrom AFB in Montana. "The missiles shut down, 10 Minuteman missiles. And the same thing happened at another site a week later," he said.

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Does anyone know the about the validity of these sightings? Is Captain Salas lying about what he witnessed?

 

[WeedWhacker]

I am actually intrigued by these stories.

Perhaps a personal infatuation....but, as always, I require facts before rendering an opinion.

Since it is indisputable that we live, in just this ONE galaxy (of billions), and in just this ONE galaxy there are (at minimum) 100 BILLION stars...and as we are learning, MANY stars may have planets that orbit, similar to OUR Solar System....the question then becomes:

IN the vast amount of time that is known to be part of our Universe....isn't it logical to presume that 'IF' intelligence can evolve...that WE may not be the "first"....to evolve intelligence?

 

[Pete Tar]

How does an inert (inactive) missile malfunction?

 

[WeedWhacker]

How does an inert (inactive) missile malfunction?

THAT is a good question!

 

[Jason]

THAT is a good question!

I think the question is why would a captain in the US Air Force lie about what he witnessed. What benefit does he stand to gain by doing this? There's no doubt in my mind that the CIA was instrumental in using UFO's as a ploy to divert attention away from their top secret projects. But when Salas experienced these events, at the time I don't think he was thinking aliens. He expressed concern that it was possibly Russian technology, and because the 10 minute men missiles at his site deactivated, he was worried that the entire nation could be under attack. I don't see that as not being a possible concern at the time. I mean these were the most powerful weapons in the US arsenal at the time, and they were secured in such a way that no outside interference could disarm them. We can see that all 10 in fact did disarm, and there was no known cause for it besides the fact that it happened. I believe most events can be explained away, but for some reason this event is more believable because of the source.

 

[Jason]

THAT is a good question!

Is there even a such thing as an inert inactive nuclear missile, unless its been decommissioned? Wouldn't all warheads sitting in missile silos be ready and able?

 

[Pete Tar]

Well my question was how were they determined to be malfunctioning? What malfunctioned? Do missiles have some kind of active running program when they're just sitting there that was interfered with?

I see you've said they were disarmed - can you give some technical detail on what this actually means and how it was determined they were disarmed?

 

[Jason]

Well my question was how were they determined to be malfunctioning? What malfunctioned? Do missiles have some kind of active running program when they're just sitting there that was interfered with?

I see you've said they were disarmed - can you give some technical detail on what this actually means and how it was determined they were disarmed?

I'm sorry the missile systems shut down, not disarmed.

 

[Pete Tar]

Well that was in the news in 2010. And it is unfortunately just their word, there doesn't appear to be any corroborating evidence for these events.

The six former U.S. Air Force officers and one former enlisted man, are to present declassified information which they claim backs up their findings. They have witness testimony from 120 former or retired military personnel which points to alien intervention at nuclear sites in the U.S. as recently as 2003.

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However, it is unclear to me what evidence that proves their claims was actually presented - anyone know what it was?
This page has various press-releases of the event on the 27th sep 2010 but they're short on any details of proof, they just repeat the claims.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/ufos/ufos_national_press_club_witness_testimony

So unfortunately without further information it's just a story about a group of people saying what they believe. They could be right, they could be mistaken, they could be victims of being out of the loop of classified information.

I would also note that the idea is a powerful one that captures the imagination, and it's very similar to The Day The Earth Stood Still which was made in the 50's, which these people would probably all be familiar with on some level.
They could be (mis) interpreting phenomena in a way that fits with that.

 

[deirdre]

also Salas, who was only in the airforce 3 years at the time of the 1967 incident, did not actually SEE anything as he was in the [bunker?]. sounds like all his information is 2nd or 3rd hand. someone should read his book.

a bit concerning this 'has been happening' for 40 years and this group has only got this far? ; /

That said, according to the wargames movie, Joshua could shut down the missiles.

 

[cosmic]

For what it's worth, the UFO/nuke plot device is almost 63 years old.

 

[George B]

For what it's worth, the UFO/nuke plot device is almost 63 years old.

We are left with several possibilities :

1) Lies by the witnesses
2) delusions
3) confusions
4) exaggerations
5) misconceptions
6) Intentional deception by others
7) a combination of some or all of the above.

I vote #7. Why, because when I have investigated events where human opinions are the major components of the evidence, that is what I normally found.

 

[Balance]

I haven't re-searched for this, but I'm sure I read the debunking of this event some time ago.

This appears a good read http://www.afterdisclosure.com/2010/09/malmstrom-analysis.html

(Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/2010101...isclosure.com/2010/09/malmstrom-analysis.html)

 

[Soulfly]

We are left with several possibilities :

1) Lies by the witnesses
2) delusions
3) confusions
4) exaggerations
5) misconceptions
6) Intentional deception by others
7) a combination of some or all of the above.

I vote #7. Why, because when I have investigated events where human opinions are the major components of the evidence, that is what I normally found.

You forgot 8) Alien intervention.

 

[George B]

You forgot 8) Alien intervention.

Yes, I see how it could be an additional option.

1) Lies by the witnesses
2) delusions
3) confusions
4) exaggerations
5) misconceptions
6) Intentional deception by others
7) Alien intervention.
8) a combination of some or all of the above.

 

[deirdre]

Yes, I see how it could be an additional option.

1) Lies by the witnesses
2) delusions
3) confusions
4) exaggerations
5) misconceptions
6) Intentional deception by others
7) Alien intervention.
8) a combination of some or all of the above.

was Mothman around back then? I'm not sure I believe aliens would 'attack' in a red pulsating ship. seems a bit flashy.

 

[Soulfly]

was Mothman around back then? I'm not sure I believe aliens would 'attack' in a red pulsating ship. seems a bit flashy.

I don't think Mothman is radioactive, Mothra is though.

 

[cosmic]

I'm sorry the missile systems shut down, not disarmed.

Several skeptical authors (Robert Sheaffer, Tim Hebert, and Tim Printy) have written about these "incidents" at length -- this recent blog entry contains a wealth of information. Included is a very detailed article by James Carlson, the son of Echo Flight commander Eric Carlson: Echo Flights of Fantasy - Anatomy of a UFO Hoax.

Well worth reading.

 

[George B]

was Mothman around back then? I'm not sure I believe aliens would 'attack' in a red pulsating ship. seems a bit flashy.

They are into red, especially when it pulsates!!

 

[Jason]

Several skeptical authors (Robert Sheaffer, Tim Hebert, and Tim Printy) have written about these "incidents" at length -- this recent blog entry contains a wealth of information. Included is a very detailed article by James Carlson, the son of Echo Flight commander Eric Carlson: Echo Flights of Fantasy - Anatomy of a UFO Hoax.

Well worth reading.

Thanks Cosmic

 

[James Carlson]

[Admin: Large quote removed. You can read it at the link. Summary: Salas and Hastings are liars]

http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1688&p=38093#p37975

 

[hamishsubedei]

http://www.ufohastings.com

UFO's are as real as the planes above us.
Source- Personal experience

 

[JRBids]

My question would be why no contact? Why no appearing where more people can see them? It's just not logical to me.

 

[Pete Tar]

UFO's are as real as the planes above us.

UFOs are as real as people not knowing exactly what everything they see in the sky is.

 

[hamishsubedei]

Your right because we don't know exactly what a UFO is or who is commanding it makes them mysterious.
When 10,000 people see a black triangle hover above phoenix arizona for example it is impossible to say exactly what this technology is or where it came from but it ain't from earth thats for sure

 

[hamishsubedei]

My question would be why no contact?

Good question, We can only speculate .. There is a tribe of people in the amazon that haven't made contact with human beings yet. People have flown over and taken photographs of them , I wonder if they are asking the same question why don't these sky people make contact?

 

[WeedWhacker]

When 10,000 people see a black triangle hover above phoenix arizona for example

I'd like to see a citation for this claim. If this is in reference to the "Phoenix Lights" incident? (ca. 1997?) I've studied that event a bit, already.

 

[hamishsubedei]

I'd like to see a citation for this claim. If this is in reference to the "Phoenix Lights" incident? (ca. 1997?) I've studied that event a bit, already.

Good then you will know that its a true UFO

 

[Pete Tar]

So is it a hovering black triangle, or a UFO?

 

[hamishsubedei]

http://www.thephoenixlights.net/Myths.htm

This website has some good info, debunking debunkers who claim its otherwise

 

[Pete Tar]

Well it is demonstrably *not* a solid object.


And the claim of restricted airspace seems bogus.

March 13, 1997 was the last night of Operation Snowbird for the year, so obviously any aircraft that had flown off to other destinations, such as Las Vegas, had to return to Tucson. James McGaha reconstructs the story of the V-shaped formation as follows: Five A-10 jets from Operation Snowbird had flown from Tucson to Nellis Air force Base near Las Vegas several days earlier, and were now returning. The A-10 jets were flying VFR (visual flight rules), so there was no need for them to check in with airports along the route. They were following the main air corridor for air traffic traveling that route, the “highway in the sky.” (Why a UFO would follow U.S. air traffic corridors is a mystery.) Because they were flying in formation mode they did not have on their familiar blinking collision lights, but instead their formation lights. In any case, FAA rules concerning aircraft lights and flight altitudes, etc. do not apply to military aircraft. The A-10s flew over the Phoenix area, flew on to Tucson, and landed at Davis-Monthan.

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[hamishsubedei]

The triangle was silent,hovering,the size of several football fields and definitely not military aircraft.

 

[Pete Tar]

The footage shows clearly it was not a solid object. How was it definitely not military aircraft?

 

[NoParty]

The triangle was silent,hovering,the size of several football fields and definitely not military aircraft.

So, which of these witnesses are you claiming as credible?

The ones that say "a couple of miles wide" (10,560 feet) or those that say "several football fields" (900 feet), --a craft less than 1/11 (~8.5%) that size?



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[hamishsubedei]

What footage ? As I said thousands of witnesses witnessed a silent hovering black triangle, the lights are irrelevant to that fact as the object could have turned on or off any lights .

 

[hamishsubedei]

Or there were several craft some miles wide others smaller.

 

[NoParty]

Or there were several craft some miles wide others smaller.

So thousands of people got a great look at it over multiple nights,
but can't agree on if it was a giant miles-wide craft, or multiple little ones?

 

[Hama Neggs]

How does an inert (inactive) missile malfunction?

I have heard this story before. The malfunction was the shutting down of the missiles, operationally. I believe the story is that the launch codes became inactive, or some such.

 

[hamishsubedei]

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[hamishsubedei]

If you watch the video the witness who said several football fields later states could be miles wide.