UFO Summoning (2014 YouTube video)

[NightCat1337]

I found some of the UAP footage interesting, would love your opinions on it.

Has anyone tried this? Have we discussed this video by any chance?


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpJAOX5HW8


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[JMartJr]

As far s I can make out, this technique is "stand outdaide and look up, really hoping to see something that is not too obviously a plane, and anything that you see that is too far away to make out means you summoned a UFO. It helps if you are someplace with a ton of stuff in the air at any given time, like, say. LA."

The particular "orb" in the video looks like a distant plane, too far away to see wings and stuff, with sunlight glinting off of it. (There are certinly plenty of planes in that air space!) Is there any reason at all to think that this is not what it is?

 

[JMartJr]

Has anyone tried this?

An interesting idea. No, I never have, but if I did I'd want a control phase where I carefully watched the sky looking for any object out in the Low Information Zone (close enough to make out, sort of, but too far to make out what it is) while asking all alien UFOs to stay away. Could be fun.

 

[Ann K]

Haven't they suggested something of the sort at Skinwalker Ranch, or am I misremembering the source of that discussion?

 

[John J.]

I found some of the UAP footage interesting, would love your opinions on it.

Hi mmtmn.
There's a thread here started by @davo27 which describes something a bit similar, meditating in the hope of increasing the chances of seeing UAP- in this case "flashbulb"-type appearances at night in New Zealand.
davo27 mentions using meditations on an app by someone called Steven Greer.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/flashbulb.13214/

It might be worth asking the question, if summoning UFOs in L.A. works fairly well- say, 1 in 20 (5%) of attempts results in a sighting- why don't the people doing it invest in some decent optics, e.g. a stabilized telescope and camera set-up?
Do it every day of the year, they would have on average some 18 sets of close-up pics of UFOs.
News networks and magazines would pay serious money for that sort of evidence (and the evidence would be repeatable),
plus it would be a revolutionary scientific discovery- a paradigm shift- if it were shown that UFOs were more likely to appear when summoned than at other times.

But we don't see any evidence like that.

There are certainly plenty of planes in that air space!

This might be a more likely reason for lights in the sky over Los Angeles.

There are a number of threads here where balloons (particularly metallic helium party balloons) have been proposed as explanations for UFO sightings, and in some cases appear to be the identified cause.

Approx. 3,898,747 people live in L.A., so roughly 10,681 birthdays every day.
(Wikipedia, Los Angeles, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles)

Let's say only 3% of birthday celebrations involve helium party balloons at some point- that's 320 per day.
And of those 320 celebrations, lets say there's a 3% chance that at least one balloon gets released outside-
-that's a minimum of 9 or 10 helium party balloons released every day in L.A. just due to birthdays
(I suspect the real figure is much higher).

 

[NorCal Dave]

using meditations on an app by someone called Steven Greer.

Greer is more or less the creator of this practice. He's a medical Dr. that got on the UFO bandwagon in the early'00s.

He refers to this as a CE 5 or close encounter of the 5th kind, adding layers to the CE 1-3 of the past. I don't remember if it was Friedman or Hyneck that came up with the original and I'm on my phone right now with spotty cell.

For years Greer offered classes, for a price, where people could learn and/or practice attempted CE5 events. For the most part, it seems they usually amount to what you described. People go somewhere and meditate. Anything not obviously a know item in the sky, can then be called aliens responding to the seekers.

When I was out at Burningman a couple of weeks ago, there was a lady on Facebook trying to get some people together to attempt a CE5, as there's a lot of folks like that out there and the desert sky seemed a good place to try. I volunteered but was up front about my skepticism, she liked my comment but I never heard from her.

It's a lot like some of the claims of Psy, if non-believers try or are involved, they ruin the vibe and the aliens wont show up.

 

[elvenwear]

Has anyone tried this? Have we discussed this video by any chance?

There are two salient things he recommends:-
1) Have an open mind (he says heart, but if you go into a field with an open heart, you will bleed out).
2) Pick a specific patch of the sky and look at it continuously.

If you take step number 2 alone, this increases the likelihood you will see something in the sky in that location or near it. A lot of what is seen in the sky with the naked eye cannot be identified. So this gives you a decent chance of seeing a UFO or UAP. If you cannot identify it, though, how do you know it's not a plane or balloon?

Suppose you went to a field, had an open mind and tried to telepathically call a UFO and there was a plane but it was so far away, you couldn't identify it. You have an open mind, you tried to summon a UFO and you saw a flying object you couldn't identify. That would be a success. It wouldn't mean you'd contacted aliens though but you might think you had because you'd had that success.

One of the issues with this video is the automatic conclusion that an unidentified flying object is always alien technology. The person in the video says they can summon UFOs telepathically. This means he is saying that UFOs have telepathic sensitivity. If you can't identify something, how can you be certain it has telepathic sensitivity?

One of the issues I have with this is why would an alien species respond to telepathic calls from humans, and then only fly close enough to be seen but not identified? Why not land and say hello? Also, what incentive would they have to fly close enough to be a tiny little dot? What would they gain from that? What would you gain? Would they be trying to help you believe? Trying to prepare people for disclosure? This is something I have difficulty understanding.

 

[FatPhil]

He refers to this as a CE 5 or close encounter of the 5th kind

Remind me what the "close" in "close encounters" stands for?

 

[FatPhil]

It might be worth asking the question, if summoning UFOs in L.A. works fairly well- say, 1 in 20 (5%) of attempts results in a sighting- why don't the people doing it invest in some decent optics, e.g. a stabilized telescope and camera set-up?
Do it every day of the year, they would have on average some 18 sets of close-up pics of UFOs.

You're not scaling things up correctly - if everyone in the US did it, you'd have sixteen million occurances every day. Unfortunatly, it would then cease being newsworthy.

 

[Ann K]

As far s I can make out, this technique is "stand outdaide and look up, really hoping to see something that is not too obviously a plane, and anything that you see that is too far away to make out means you summoned a UFO. It helps if you are someplace with a ton of stuff in the air at any given time, like, say. LA."

It might be interesting to ask one "believer" (or "summoner", or whatever they call themselves) to spend some time doing that in a location that's filled with planes, and another doing it in a place that's relatively remote from air traffic. Chicago vs Montana should do it, or Los Angeles vs southwestern Texas.

 

[Duke]

Greer is more or less the creator of this practice. He's a medical Dr. that got on the UFO bandwagon in the early'00s.

Twenty years ago, there was a guy from Las Vegas who made a name for himself calling down UFOs on live TV. (No it wasn't Knapp who did the live segment. It was a young reporter who appeared to be on the verge of wetting himself.) He claimed to be a religious mystic of some ilk, called himself "Prophet Yahweh," and he explained he learned how to call in the UFOs from reading the OT.

Here is the live broadcast as seen by LV TV viewers in 2005. The claim was there were two UFOs, but only the second, an "orange sphere," was readily visable. The sphere arrives at about 2:00, but watch the whole (~4 min) video. It's pretty entertaining. I'd love to see the unedited video.


Source: https://youtu.be/qOE4VQojMfM?si=Z8MUruQWyWgnLp-0


Sadly, Phophet Yahweh (real name Ramon Watkins) passed away in Aug 2014. He did appear on a number of podcasts and radio shows (including C2C AM), so those wishing to hear him more in depth should have little trouble finding him.

Ramon Watkins also known as The Prophet of Yahweh has died. Ramon died on August 7, 2014 of a heart attack. He was a very noble man and was moreover infamously known for showing people how to summon UFO's after he had learned from studying and reading certain passages in the Hebrew Bible. He was only 61 when he died.

https://jayedoubleseyee.wordpress.c...he-prophet-of-yahweh-dies-at-the-age-of-61-3/

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

This particular Las Vegas newscast sighting: Specular reflection of the Sun from a distant aircraft. It appears when the angle is just right to get that kind of reflection and disappears when the angle is no longer just right.

When a distant aircraft is visible by diffuse reflection only, and the reflected light is affected by atmospheric scattering, the contrast between the image and the diffuse light of the sky is low and its visibility is low. When the angle is right to see a specular reflection of the Sun, the contrast is much greater. But you only see the specular reflection itself... which is just a blob. It doesn't show the shape of the aircraft. So it looks like a mysterious non-aircraft-shaped light.

I've seen this kind of thing myself a thousand times. But I'm an eccentric who looks at the sky, night or day, to see what's doing.

If I'd been there with my favorite pair of binoculars - 11 power by 80 mm University Optics - I'm confident I would have been able to tell them exactly what kind of aircraft it was by name. I'd pick this set because the relatively low power and the large objective size produces bright and contrasty images. They cut through the haze.

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

I found some of the UAP footage interesting, would love your opinions on it.

Has anyone tried this? Have we discussed this video by any chance?


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpJAOX5HW8


Not sure if another post covering this video, if so please feel free to lock/delete this post.

At least some of these involve specular reflections of the Sun from aluminized plastic balloons - (so-called mylar balloons). All of them involve specular reflections of the Sun off of some object; be it balloon, aircraft, plastic bag or whatnot.

This last one is the most obvious. A bunch of balloons.

IMO, "summoning" just involves looking up at the sky to see what's always there anyway.

I remember, at the age of 12, fantasizing that I was causing it to rain during a very rainy winter in S. Calif. I sort of quarter believed it. I was mostly doubtful about it, but still young enough that the egocentricity of a child's mind was still there strongly enough to give me the feeling that my personal inner world was affecting the outside world like that.

 

[John J.]

'Summoning' by thought would be a useful ability between humans, it's odd it only works between humans and an extraterrestrial species.

Must play hell with their flight plans- "Pilot Zood, as per the briefing we're going to survey tectonic stresses in the area under study, afterwards a covert reconnaissance, passive sensors only, of the physics labs at the human institution termed "UCLA"- -Oh wait, we're being summoned, get to it!"

 

[JMartJr]

Must play hell with their flight plans-

Worth stressing, I think. For this to work, it requires not only aliens that are telepathic with humans and able to detect a summons, but also a pretty constant supply of alien ships anywhere a summoner might decide to reach out, with nothing else more pressing to do. Multiple ships, as they seem to always spot more than one.

I'll also call back to

Remind me what the "close" in "close encounters" stands for?

those who refer to these things as close encounters and accept money to let believers experience a "close encounter" that is in fact way out in the Low Information Zone are not being honest about their product! There is an old maxim about that: Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus. (This of course is less applicable to those who are not using CE5K as a marketing claim, and especially not to those who just do it because they like the experience rather than for money.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsus_in_uno,_falsus_in_omnibus

 

[tinkertailor]

It might be interesting to ask one "believer" (or "summoner", or whatever they call themselves) to spend some time doing that in a location that's filled with planes, and another doing it in a place that's relatively remote from air traffic. Chicago vs Montana should do it, or Los Angeles vs southwestern Texas.

I'm no summoner, but I see daily weird flashy things in the LA sky while commuting during certain times of year. If I leave just prior to sunset, I see probably 2-3 across my ~45 minute commute. The greater LA area has tons of small airports (with hobbyist small planes), some medium airports (with overpriced medium commerical planes and little jets), and a few large airports (with commercial and ginormo cargo flights). I guarantee I can "summon" a UFO within 5 minutes anywhere within the city.

 

[NorCal Dave]

Remind me what the "close" in "close encounters" stands for?

Now that I'm back at my computer, here is J. Allan Hynick's definitions of "Close Encounters":

Obviously a CE3 was used for the title of Spielberg's 1977 film, Close Encounters or the Third Kind. Vallee expanded on CE1-3 and came up with more:

After Hynek's passing in 1986 (38 years ago), his colleague Jacques Vallee extended Hynek's classification system by two steps, specifically close encounters of the fourth and fifth kinds, as published in Vallee's book Confrontations: A Scientist's Search for Alien Contact (1990).[12]​

A close encounter of the fourth kind is a UFO event in which a human is abducted by a UFO or its occupants.[13]​ This type was not included in Hynek's original close encounters scale.[14]​
Hynek's former associate Jacques Vallée argued in the Journal of Scientific Exploration that the fourth kind should refer to "cases when witnesses experienced a transformation of their sense of reality", to also include non-abduction cases where absurd, hallucinatory or dreamlike events are associated with UFO encounters.[15]​[unreliable source?]​​
As stated in Vallee's Confrontations (1990), a close encounter of the fifth kind is where an alien abductee receives some manner of physical effect from their close encounter, typically either injury or healing.[12]​​

With Dr. Greer adjusting a CE5 to include human initiated contact:​

Several years after Vallee's classification updates, some preferred that a close encounter of the fifth kind instead refer to human-initiated contact with extraterrestrial life forms or advanced interstellar civilizations, claiming direct communication between aliens and humans.[13]​ This alternate interpretation of what a close encounter of the fifth kind (ce5) should represent has been contributed to Steven M. Greer.[16]​​

Close encounter - Wikipedia

Giving these newer reworkings of the system, maybe Spielburg's movie should have been called Close Encounters of the Somewhere Past 5th or 6th Kind.

 

[Ann K]

@NorCal Dave (from your reference)

Hynek's former associate Jacques Vallée argued in the Journal of Scientific Exploration that the fourth kind should refer to "cases when witnesses experienced a transformation of their sense of reality", to also include non-abduction cases where absurd, hallucinatory or dreamlike events are associated with UFO encounters.

So does that mean the "fourth kind" is actually defined as being entirely in the mind of the viewer and has diddly-squat to do with any kind of physical entity? I suspect that may be true of all of them, but I'm surprised they'd come out and SAY it.

 

[NorCal Dave]

@NorCal Dave (from your reference)

Hynek's former associate Jacques Vallée argued in the Journal of Scientific Exploration that the fourth kind should refer to "cases when witnesses experienced a transformation of their sense of reality", to also include non-abduction cases where absurd, hallucinatory or dreamlike events are associated with UFO encounters.

So does that mean the "fourth kind" is actually defined as being entirely in the mind of the viewer and has diddly-squat to do with any kind of physical entity? I suspect that may be true of all of them, but I'm surprised they'd come out and SAY it.

There is a post somewhere on here about Vallee and Garry Nolan musing that when people see UFOs, the entities (aliens) can project various "visions" or "hallucinatory" like things so that the descriptions of what people saw are often different.

So, yes what the viewer saw may have "diddly-squat" to do with reality because the aliens are projecting visions into their minds.

Seriously. From a post by Mick in this thread (post #7 bold by me):
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/st...ues-vallee-and-garry-nolan.12549/#post-275625

Garry Nolan
There's a great case. It's in France, this family, this is just within the last few years, driving down the highway, a mother and two children in the back, they have an open top car during the day, a crowded, crowded highway, they see over their head through the window. Craft is obvious and, right. And then she's looking around the mothers looking around and saying and noticing that nobody else seems to see this. Okay, so the kids in the back, have a camera phone, you know, phone, take a picture. When they get home, they will take a look at the picture. There's not a craft, but there's an object, a small sort of star shaped object about 30 or 40 feet over there, over their car. So that's let's say that that's the object, but it projected an image of something else. And yet, that's all they saw. So what what happened, you know, it's sort of like they, it was a projected 3d image of something, but it was only seen by them. So when you start to hear many of these cases, and Jacque really talks about this a lot, that whatever these things are, seem to have the ability to project altered reality into people's minds. I know that sounds crazy. And I'm just repeating the stories

Tucker Carlson
no crazier than any other thing that we've been talking about. I mean, it's all outside the bounds of what we understand the science anyway, right?

Garry Nolan
Yeah, I mean, I have, I have the picture of that they took of that star shaped object, and the story and Jacques had been the person who went and did the interviews for it. And that was sort of a mind bender, for me, the first time that I had seen evidence of something that was different than what people had perceived. Right. And so this notion of projected reality, is something that really has to be part of the discussion at some point.

Unfortunately Mick did not link a source for this quote, though obviously it's from a Tucker episode.

Of course, this means whenever a skeptic points out any kind of discrepancy in a claim, it's aliens!

 

[NightCat1337]

'Summoning' by thought would be a useful ability between humans, it's odd it only works between humans and an extraterrestrial species.

Must play hell with their flight plans- "Pilot Zood, as per the briefing we're going to survey tectonic stresses in the area under study, afterwards a covert reconnaissance, passive sensors only, of the physics labs at the human institution termed "UCLA"- -Oh wait, we're being summoned, get to it!"

> "but sir the mission"
> "Pilot Zood, you know the summoning protocols, they have an open heart and good intentions"

 

[Kyle Ferriter]

That first video looks like planes and then balloon(s)? Nothing to indicate otherwise.

As a comparison video, here's a video I took in Boston, MA when the sun was at a good angle for getting glare-y planes taking off from the airport. At first you can see it is a plane, but around 50s as it's curving and my camera's (iPhone 13) perspective angle is changing, it catches the sunlight and turns into a big ball of white glare. Another plane's sun glare becomes visible at about the 1m37s mark.

Ignore the other white orbs/rods zooming through the frame! (they are insects)

 

[tinkertailor]

Last night I got stuck in an hour and a half of Friday evening LA traffic around dusk, so I counted indeterminate shiny sky flotsam. I was not trying to manifest anything, but I saw 15-20 aerial lights that weren't following the very obvious LAX holding pattern, didn't look like obvious aircraft (e.g., helicopters, ultralights) and looked like they could have been UFOish.

My commute was about 90 minutes, I was paying attention to the road mostly, and I was being really discriminatory. I bet if I was more hopeful and trying to manifest a thing, I could easily see a UAP every 2-3 minutes in urban SoCal.

 

[Mendel]

Last night I got stuck in an hour and a half of Friday evening LA traffic around dusk, so I counted indeterminate shiny sky flotsam. I was not trying to manifest anything, but I saw 15-20 aerial lights that weren't following the very obvious LAX holding pattern, didn't look like obvious aircraft (e.g., helicopters, ultralights) and looked like they could have been UFOish.

Obviously there was a busload of UFO summoners stuck in traffic with you!

(Thanks for the data.)