UAP seen by BizJet Stewardess over Bahamas

Dave Beaty

Dave Beaty

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In a recent UFO sighting a Miami TV station reported a strange sighting by a private corporate jet company that spotted a glowing green light pacing the aircraft. In the report the flight attendant Cassandra Martin decribed the object and filming it. I believe I have located the aircraft and ADS-B track. Apparently there is also FAA flight control radio comms of this event. I'd like to see if someone else can independently find this same fight to compare to see if it's the one I think it is. Everything needed is in this report. @flarkey doesn't count because I gave him the Tail Number :) :cool:

Link to video from NBC-6

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local...w-spots-something-strange-in-the-sky/3511543/

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At 1:13 in the video the registration is visible in the cockpit. Looks like N585JC. Assuming that is the plane they were on when they filmed the video.

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Data for that plane is not available on FlightAware but I'm sure it could be found on playback.
 
Dave Beaty said:
In a recent UFO sighting a Miami TV station reported a strange sighting by a private corporate jet company that spotted a glowing green light pacing the aircraft. In the report the flight attendant Cassandra Martin decribed the object and filming it. I believe I have located the aircraft and ADS-B track. Apparently there is also FAA flight control radio comms of this event. I'd like to see if someone else can independently find this same fight to compare to see if it's the one I think it is. Everything needed is in this report. @flarkey doesn't count because I gave him the Tail Number :):cool:

Link to video from NBC-6

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local...w-spots-something-strange-in-the-sky/3511543/
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I have a few objections to this.
(1) There's a no-click policy on Metabunk.
(2) Your link gives me the story, but whatever video they have is in a format I can't see. I just get a blank screen.
(3) Your comments, especially about @flarkey, sound as if you came here to play games. That's not an honest spirit of inquiry, Dave.
 
Story excerpt gives date and a general location, sounds like they would have been looking west-southwest from over the Bahamas:
On the night of Dec. 23, Martin says she and two pilots were flying back to Fort Lauderdale in an empty jet, high over the Bahamas, when Miami air traffic control sent a message.

"All of a sudden I heard traffic control say, we have a foreign object, can you please identify," Martin explained. "I looked to the left, and pilot saw three objects, I only saw one, and I grabbed my phone, I just pressed it to the window to see if I could get a video of what the object was. I don't know what it was, and then I zoomed in as much as the phone allowed me to. And the object was white, and it turned slightly green, almost kind of like it had an electric field around it of some sort, and it stayed with us for about 45 minutes and then we didn't see it again, and we were about 43, 45 thousand feet and it was way above us."
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Adding a couple of screen grabs to save people from having to watch the commercial before the video plays:

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But its registered to SOUTHERN CROSS AIRCRAFT LLC as 13/2/24

edit Southern Cross are Surjet

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It did land at Ft Lauderdale, but I imagine that's a common jump for US to Bahamas flights
 
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Yeah I was looking through their fleet as well, it's a pain with private jets as they dont use call signs with an airline prefix
 
The video talks about the object "zigzagging" and making manoeuvres that defy physics, but all you can see on the phone screen is a blob against a black background. Absolutely no way to tell if the object is moving or if the phone is just waving around.

My first thought was "that looks like Venus".
 
This is the sky view for 0100 UTC from the Bahamas. Venus was only about 12 degrees above the horizon, from the ground, and south of west. The plane was flying northwest so it would be well off to the left of the plane.

A Sitrec view would give a better idea of how it looked from the plane.

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KML file of the N713SS track is attached if anyone wants to work some Sitrec magic.
 

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There was a few bright objects

Venus, Jupiter, Sirius, Rigel, Capella but apart from Venus and Saturn they were to the E
 
What would have prompted traffic control to ask them to identify a foreign object? A radar track, or a report from another aircraft?

Of course there's no guarantee that she -- or the pilots -- were looking towards or at whatever traffic control might have been indicating.
 
If they were under the purview of Miami ATC then they were likely a bit further along the route past the the Bahamas.

We'd need some timestamps to try and get Miami ATC logs though.
 
Venus and Starlink flares would have been visible all the way up to the Florida coast. The last sightings would have been around 02:05 UTC, (21:05 EST)

This video is in real-time at the start, and then I scrub forward.

 
Ann K said:
I have a few objections to this.
(1) There's a no-click policy on Metabunk.
(2) Your link gives me the story, but whatever video they have is in a format I can't see. I just get a blank screen.
(3) Your comments, especially about @flarkey, sound as if you came here to play games. That's not an honest spirit of inquiry, Dave.
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Thanks for your comments Ann. I'm thinking about those and considering changing how I approach things. And my spirit of inquiry.

Mick West said:
View attachment 75707

That's a short hop. Track attached
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This was the plane I thought it was. So I was wrong. Given the news story and the video in the NBC-6 report, it shows that specific jet. Once I located it, and it was indeed flying from the Bahamas on Dec 23, I didn't go further. But this group and NOT posting the tail number helped find the actual plane IMHO.

jdog said:
What would have prompted traffic control to ask them to identify a foreign object? A radar track, or a report from another aircraft?

Of course there's no guarantee that she -- or the pilots -- were looking towards or at whatever traffic control might have been indicating.
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LiveATC replied to me that no mention of any "lights" happened on Miami Center ATC between 7:00 and 8:00 EST on Dec 23, 2024

Trailblazer said:
I think the plane must have been this one. Bottom right. N713SS.

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It was at 43,000ft over the Bahamas that night. Flying from the Dominican Republic to Fort Lauderdale. Over the Bahamas at around 1-1.30am 24 Dec UTC which is 8-8.30pm 23 Dec Florida time.

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Thanks for finding this other Surjet flight @Trailblazer ! I stopped after finding the Gulfstream 5 thinking that was it. After contacting the reporter from NBC-6 Miami, he wouldn't give me the tail number but confirmed it was travelling from the Dominican Republic to Florida and the sighting happened around 7:30 PM EST. But which ATC Center would handle this airspace?

jarlrmai said:
If they were under the purview of Miami ATC then they were likely a bit further along the route past the the Bahamas.

We'd need some timestamps to try and get Miami ATC logs though.
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@Trailblazer's ADS-B track is the correct one, pretty sure based on the confirmation from the NBC-6 reporter. 7:30pm time frame, the flight attendant re-created looking out of the left window of the jet. But she was in the wrong jet in the hanger, not the one that she was in Dec 23. When I posted this I didn't want to post my tail number until others here checked. And indeed I was wrong. @Trailblazer had the correct jet. One of many flying from that company Dec 23.

I was giving a nod to Mick saying "I wouldn't count on it at 1:00 pm" about all the jets in the hanger.
 
Dave Beaty said:
Dominican Republic to Florida and the sighting happened around 7:30 PM EST. But which ATC Center would handle this airspace?
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The aircraft was just of the north coast of the Haiti/Dominican Republic border at 19:30 EST, but maybe US registered planes talk to Miami anyway.

The time frames seem a bit off the cabin staff talk about over the Bahamas but the time is when they are more over DR/Haiti
 
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Dave Beaty said:
Thanks for finding this other Surjet flight @Trailblazer ! I stopped after finding the Gulfstream 5 thinking that was it. After contacting the reporter from NBC-6 Miami, he wouldn't give me the tail number but confirmed it was travelling from the Dominican Republic to Florida and the sighting happened around 7:30 PM EST. But which ATC Center would handle this airspace?
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At 7.30pm the jet was just clearing the north coast of the Dominican Republic.

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From what I can see this would fall under the Santo Domingo Area Control Center in the Dominincan Republic, but shortly about to enter the Miami Oceanic ATC zone

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One other thing that I noticed is that there is another aircraft close to the left of the Surjet plane for several minutes around 7.30pm when the sighting was reported. This American Airlines 737 was just off to the left and 2,000ft lower. I would assume (hope!) that the crew were well aware of its proximity but it does look as if it would also be in the same field of view as the mystery object(s). The 737 ended up passing behind the Surjet flight and ended up on its right before moving back to the left (and behind) as they flew over the Bahamas, by which time it was about 8,000ft lower.

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3.19 NM at closest which is only 5900 metres

Close but maybe not enough for TCAS warning given the correlated direction of travel.
 
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Track maybe indicates some reactive movement of the private jet (green) when they were at closest encounter point with the AAL (blue) aircraft?

Path going forward is towards the top of the image.
 
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