UAP Files Orb Videos [Mostly ISS]

[flarkey]

Here's another:

Source: https://youtube.com/shorts/gs3e6EwRxxs?si=LaOA5VNHv9FMGJOF

Orb UFOs | Esplanade, Greenock, Scotland | May 28, 2024 | Credit: @martin_campbell7 | Witness summary: witness reported seeing six bright white objects circumnavigate his house, flashing intensely before stopping for approximately 40 seconds, and then moving towards what initially appeared to be stars but were actually UAPs/UFOs . These objects interacted in a way that seemed to involve telepathy, responding to the witness's mental prompts with flashes. Despite the incredibility of the account, the witness is convinced of its authenticity. The sightings have included fast movements, disappearing and reappearing acts, and interactions that the witness describes as being almost otherworldly in their beauty and malevolence. Additionally, massive shadows and blue-green dashes, believed to be associated with the UAPs, were also observed. The witness has documented these occurrences.

This screenshot from the video shows the "Orb UAP" passing the Moon.

That video couldn't have been May 28th - the moon was in a different phase then.

https://moonphases.co.uk/

Looks more like Sunday 19th May

So lets check for ISS passes on 19 May and see if there's a pass of the ISS , that when viewed from Greenock, above the moon.

Well... guess what.....

@Mendel - maybe you're right. It is a Refusal to even try to identify.

 

[flarkey]

Here's another video shared by Jimmy with the description:

UAPs | Tuesday, August 27 | Approximately 12:45 - 1:15 | Esplanade, Scotland | Credit: @martin_campbell7 | Witness Summary: The witness observed a UFO in the clear sky, describing a red object that appeared to shoot away from the top right of the sighting. The object seemed to split into two before regrouping. A video was recorded (on an iPhone 14). When zooming in, a black dot appeared in the center, pulsating and displaying vibrant colors before behaving erratically.

None of this is seen in the video. Instead we just see two lights in the night sky, one slightly brigher than the other.


Source: https://youtube.com/shorts/MkgcJHXBh_g?si=JNFWQQsgkqbv0btg


The two UAP are zoomed into later in the video and it shows a bright white UAP and a darker UAP which is presumably the red one that is mentioned in the description.

So lets investigate.

This video was recorded in Greenock, Scotland, clearly near the port.

The image at the start allows us to geolocate to 55.9555465,-4.7663198. The 4 blue cranes at Greenock Port have recently been replaced by 2 new red ones, (which have been named by local schoolchildren as 'Craner Swift' and 'U-crane Bolt"). The streetview image shows the old cranes, but allows us to confirm that the video is looking on a bearing of about 075 degrees, or ENE.

https://www.google.com/maps/@55.9555465,-4.7663198,3a,75y,75.83h,101.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s92D7bVz3nb-FxSRHAjgWhQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDkxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==

https://www.multimodal.org.uk/article/port-of-greenock-welcomes-first-of-two-gbp25m-cranes

So we've got a location, a date, a time and a direction to look. Lets check Stellarium and see whats in that direction...

Well it would appear that Mars (also known as "the red planet") and Jupiter (known for its brightness in the night sky) are in exactly the same positions as the two UAP that the witness captured on video. What a coincidence.

Tuesday 27 Aug 2024, 1 am looking ENE from Greenock:

So it looks like the witness captured two planets, not UAP craft that "seemed to split into two before regrouping". This is yet another one of the videos from the UAP Files Podcast (@UAPF)feed that could easily be explained after a short investigation by the right people.

 

[NorCal Dave]

So it looks like the witness captured two planets, not UAP craft that "seemed to split into two before regrouping". This is yet another one of the videos from the UAP Files Podcast feed that could easily be explained after a short investigation by the right people.

Yes and no. Agreed that Jupiter and Mars are very likely what's in the video, assuming the time and direction is correct. But what's in the video, as is often the case, is NOT what the person described seeing BEFORE the video was taken. Once again, it's the word of the witness that carries precedent. Doubting the witness seems to be the same as calling them a liar or unstable. Again as @jarlrmai has noted before, stories can't be debunked.

It also so seems Jimmy, like many UFO folks plays a bit of the "heads I win, tails you lose" game. Skeptics are expected to take any and all witness testimony, especial from "trained observers", as prima facia and be open minded about these people seeing alien spacecraft. And let's be clear, when they can't identify something, what they are really saying is: It's Aliens! IF it were just "we're not sure what this is" they would leave it at that.

So, if someone tells of seeing a mysterious object in the sky, the skeptic must accept this. However, if the skeptic can show that the ISS was in the exact spot at the exact time and would account for the sighting, this is often rejected as "debunking", that is challenging or even ridiculing the witness. Skeptics are to accept claims while UFOlogist can reject explanations.

EDIT: Moved rest of post to new thread.

 

[flarkey]

OK, I promise this is the last one I'll do.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tywp7NAsKyU

Orb UFO / UAP | July 8th, 9:45 PM, Timothy Lake, Oregon, near Mount Hood | Credit: Cody_Dun (IG) | Witness Account: While camping at a dispersed site, the witness observed a very bright orb slowly crossing the horizon. The sky was clear with no stars visible and no engine noise. Although they had seen many other unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) the previous night, they managed to capture this one on their iPhone 12 Pro.

Stitched image of UAP path (could it be the ISS?)

Location is Timothy Lake Oregon, looking south east. The horizon peaks match from this streetview (drone 360) image. (although the bearing in the URL is about 120 degrees out)

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.1252632,-121.7792206,3a,42.9y,274.02h,85.82t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipPAzJflbcA1oCn8UgHbtMr6gdc9rFYKDHpnuWHH!2e10!3e11!6shttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/p/AF1QipPAzJflbcA1oCn8UgHbtMr6gdc9rFYKDHpnuWHH=w203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya232.00964-ro0-fo100!7i8192!8i4096?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDkxNS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==

I think the video was recorded at a specific campsite called Meditation Point (sounds about right!) . This photo was taken lookign SE.

Source: https://www.muddycamper.com/oregon/meditation-point-campground/

So, now we have a date, time, location and view - lets check if the ISS was visible in that direction at that time....

July 8th, 9:45 PM, Timothy Lake

The ISS was visible from 9.44pm to 9.48pm , starting at South and ending up entering the earth's shadow over the Eastern horizon.

So , yet again the ISS would have been visible to the witness, at the exact time they took the video, in the direction that they saw the UAP.

 

[JMartJr]

So , yet again the ISS would have been visible to the witness, at the exact time they took the video, in the direction that they saw the UAP.

Which leaves the UFOlogist who doesn't want to explain any cases with a conundrum -- if the video shows a mysterious unknown something-or-other, then where is the ISS? It should be flying along right there, too!

 

[taurusclover21]

OK, I promise this is the last one I'll do.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tywp7NAsKyU




Stitched image of UAP path (could it be the ISS?)
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Location is Timothy Lake Oregon, looking south east. The horizon peaks match from this streetview (drone 360) image. (although the bearing in the URL is about 120 degrees out)


So , yet again the ISS would have been visible to the witness, at the exact time they took the video, in the direction that they saw the UAP.

That is very obviously the ISS. We frequently watch it when it makes an overhead pass.

What's up with calling it an orb? It's a dot in the sky, not an orb.

Thanks for posting this!

 

[flarkey]

That is very obviously the ISS. We frequently watch it when it makes an overhead pass.

Yes , it is obviously the ISS. As is this one:


Source: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-UKCMXAjqFI

Orb UAP/UFO | Itacaré, Bahia, Brazil | 04-09-24 18:24 | Credit: @itacareufo (IG)

Itacaré -14.296251497952804, -38.8748817379916 (Google Maps)

ISS Pass Prediction for Itacaré, 4th September 2024 at 18.24.

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And this one... although there is no time given for the sighting it looks just like the ISS and there was a pass that evening...


Source: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C-a_qRXNssM/?igsh=MWhvYXhoMjdiYTh3dg==

 

[JMartJr]

What's up with calling it an orb? It's a dot in the sky, not an orb.

Any point light source becomes an "Orb" when it goes out of focus!

-- a fact that is extremely useful to UFO proponents and those who think space is fake, with the shimmering of twinkling stars adding a nice "seen through the waters and firmament" or "not really objects, just 'luminaries,' whatever that means"element to the image.

 

[flarkey]

Any point light source becomes an "Orb" when it goes out of focus!

@UAPF's latest video uses some other (probably unintentional) techniques to obfuscate the identity of the object


Source: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QMImaxPT3T4

The UAP:

The first thing I noticed was that the moon was upside down and back to front and skewed - probably due to the telescope mirror and optics. Turn it and the UAP round the right way and it looks like this:

The UAP starts to look a lot more like a high altitude balloon....

But that of course is conjecture.

 

[FatPhil]

@UAPF's latest video uses some other (probably unintentional) techniques to obfuscate the identity of the object

Looks like we need second maxim: Any slow-moving object moves erratically if you shake the tripod.

 

[NorCal Dave]

Which leaves the UFOlogist who doesn't want to explain any cases with a conundrum -- if the video shows a mysterious unknown something-or-other, then where is the ISS? It should be flying along right there, too!

While I agree with you here, it misses the point. There was no ISS when the UFO was observed. The date or time is off or the ISS wasn't there or the "debunker" is just using a bunch of confusing diagrams and star maps to muddle the waters or there is no ISS, it's just a NASA cover story used to hide the UFOs, or the witness knows what the ISS looks like and this wasn't it or whatever it takes to say this was a UFO and NOT the ISS.

 

[JMartJr]

While I agree with you here, it misses the point. There was no ISS when the UFO was observed. The date or time is off or the ISS wasn't there or the "debunker" is just using a bunch of confusing diagrams and star maps to muddle the waters or there is no ISS, it's just a NASA cover story used to hide the UFOs, or the witness knows what the ISS looks like and this wasn't it or whatever it takes to say this was a UFO and NOT the ISS.

Ha! Might be simpler just to take some videos, one of these days, with ISS and and amazing UAP in the same shot.

 

[flarkey]

While I agree with you here, it misses the point. There was no ISS when the UFO was observed. The date or time is off or the ISS wasn't there or the "debunker" is just using a bunch of confusing diagrams and star maps to muddle the waters or there is no ISS, it's just a NASA cover story used to hide the UFOs, or the witness knows what the ISS looks like and this wasn't it or whatever it takes to say this was a UFO and NOT the ISS.

Not only do we have to trust the witness that they knew what they saw wasn't the ISS, we have to trust that they knew how to use the ISS tracking app they downloaded immediately after they didn't see it.

 

[NorCal Dave]

Not only do we have to trust the witness that they knew what they saw wasn't the ISS, we have to trust that they knew how to use the ISS tracking app they downloaded immediately after they didn't see it.

Yes, but this only assumes the ISS is an actual real thingamajig spinning around the Earth.

When someone sees AND videos their clearly seen UFO experience, just like skeptics ask for, the debunkers can often hand wave it away with a series of complicated star charts, funny time zones and a bunch of red lines or worse some math, to say it was just the ISS, not a real UFO. How convenient.

Sounds exactly like something the government would dream up to keep the lid on real UFO sightings. Show some CGI of this supposed ISS, get Elon to send a few rockets "up somewhere" then create a complicated tracking system that only government shill debunkers have access to, that magically shows this supposed ISS is located wherever a good UFO is recorded.

 

[flarkey]

Another 'orb' video from @UAPF along with an interview with the witness. Looks very much like the ISS again...

A little while back I was contacted by a gentleman named Nat Pierce over on our IG account UAP_Files. Nat said his friend had captured some really interesting footage, He sent me the footage and it was indeed really interesting. I asked to interview his friend who took the footage (Nick Manocchia) and asked for the original raw footage and as much context as possible. The case was so compelling I thought I'd share the who thing with you all - the footage, the witness testimony form his own mouth, the depleted battery life whist filming, the subtle defused light....the whole lot.

Footage was captured in Skowhegan, Maine | 14th September 2024

Hope you enjoy. Thanks to Nat and Nick for sharing this with me!

Source: https://youtu.be/s63FJ1vLGh0?si=GWfCKHm3q68-GZso


The witness did put a post on the Skowhegan Facebook page regarding his sighting, but it has now been deleted.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/5135684249790024/posts/27055324200732714
Google search for "Nick Manocchia ufo facebook".

So, it was overhead Skowhegan at approx 7.30pm.

Lets investigate....

The location seems to be the house of someone else in the witness's family. I have found it in Skowhegan but wont post the exact location out of respect for their privacy. The feature on the wall of the garage confirms it. This also confirms that the witness was looking roughly North East. Here's the annotated streetview. The panelling on the garage, the tree in the distance, the roof line and fence also match.

The ISS was overhead Bangor, Maine (closest location I could find on in-the-sky.org, 40miles east) at 7.20pm on 14 September 2024. It would have been visible from Skowhegan at the same time and would have looked like a bright light descending towards the eastern horizon. The erratic movement we see in the video is just caused by the movement of the camera in the witness's hands as he tried to track it towards the roof. The 'battery drain' phenomenon is a non-sequitur and is completely unrelated to the 'orb'. It is just a coincdence.

I've asked @UAPF on Reddit to confirm the exact time of the video and the direction the witness was recording but he is yet to get back to me. (Edit - he has blocked me)

 

[taurusclover21]

Thanks for the analysis!

 

[FatPhil]

(Edit - he has blocked me)

How do things work on Reddit? Is it simply a setting such that he is no longer pestered by your posts, but the world still see your posts? If so, can the world also see he's blocked you? Or is it more sinister - are you now unable to respond to his posts/threads? I'd consider the optics fairly poor from such a move either way. It's blatently demonstrating bad faith, and no actual interest in wanting to get to the bottom of things.

And I ain't so sure about the battery draining - my phone went flat while *plugged into the charger* 2 weeks back, there's clearly some disturbance in the bogon fields. And my sauna blew up. Explain that, big-brains!

 

[flarkey]

on Reddit when logged in I can't see any posts made by Jimmy @UAPF , but can see everything when not logged in. He's also blocked me on Instagram and X, but I think that is a fallout from me suggesting he was a douchebag, not from the multiple debunks i have done of his 'orb' videos. I see he's now set up his own sub-reddit: www.reddit.com/r/uap_files , and that's where I initially saw the "zig zag orb" video. i had to register for a new throw-away Reddit account to comment on that one.

I'm not sure what I'm hoping to get from this. Although all this may seem pretty, it really annoys me when I see people post claims of 'orbs' or 'uap' when (to me) they are clearly identifiable celestial objects and their status as such can be shown by doing some quick geolocation (of which I enjoy the challenge) and a check of an astronomy website. Part of me thinks if people post claims of 'uap' but can't be bothered to do the simplest check to see if it could be identified then they deserve the response from people who can be bothered to check.

 

[Mendel]

It's misinformation by implication: "surely he'd know how to check it's not something obvious"—and then you see he didn't check, or if he did, he didn't reveal it.

It's similar to being offended when others lie blatantly and get away with it.
I think that's a big part of why we do what we do here.

 

[taurusclover21]

He's also blocked me on Instagram and X, but I think that is a fallout from me suggesting he was a douchebag

Irony?

 

[flarkey]

Source: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAo_JasNNBN/?igsh=MWt3dGNzNmpvanIwcA==

UAP | Hollister, California, USA | 9/11/2024 8:09pm Credit: @ninabina0605

Witness account: A witness describes observing an unusual light in the sky on September 11 while stargazing with their husband. Initially, they thought it could be a commercial airplane, but the object appeared oblong. Upon recording and zooming in, the light revealed a distinct shape: a ring of light around a sphere. The object traveled like a satellite but at the altitude of a commercial aircraft, moving northeast from Gonzales, California, toward Hollister, California.

Looks like the ISS again to me. Lets check....

The ISS was visible over Hollister CA at the same time as the sighting on 11 Sept 2024. It headed from the south west (Gonzales is SSW from Hollister) towards the NorthEast, just like the witness said.

 

[FatPhil]

It seems like it's just bunny bashing at this point.

 

[flarkey]

It seems like it's just bunny bashing at this point.

Is that a suggestion that I should stop?

 

[Mendel]

Is that a suggestion that I should stop?

some bunnies deserve it

Spoiler

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

Here's another:

Source: https://youtube.com/shorts/gs3e6EwRxxs?si=LaOA5VNHv9FMGJOF




This screenshot from the video shows the "Orb UAP" passing the Moon.
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That video couldn't have been May 28th - the moon was in a different phase then.

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https://moonphases.co.uk/

Looks more like Sunday 19th May
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I've taken the brightness and the contrast down. And rotated the image. I think the Moon phase is a good fit for the phase on May 28th, 2024.

The problem is not the Moon phase. The Moon at this altitude in a dark sky on May 28 in northern Scotland is all wrong. It would have been full daylight.

Edit for clarity: It's the illuminated percentage that I think is wrong.

We unambiguously know the date is wrong because the sky would have been bright with sunlight on the 28th of May when the Moon was this high.

 

[flarkey]

I've taken the brightness and the contrast down. And rotated the image. I think it's a good fit for May 28th.

View attachment 71975

Why would you rotate the image?

 

[FatPhil]

Is that a suggestion that I should stop?

As someone who thinks they could have milked this sketch a bit more, guess... ;-)

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sriKLIR5JaM

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

Because you're looking at a chart that shows the phase. It's not careful about the rotation because it couldn't be.

Due to field rotation the Moon is going to appear to be rotated in different positions at different times from rising to setting. Field rotation is caused by Earth's rotation. As the Earth spins on its axis it carries us along with it and our perspective changes. It creates a perceived rotational movement of the Moon... and everything else.

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

The Moon Rabbit

Rising full Moon. He's on his feet, and bowing.

Source: https://youtu.be/wmupURhi3gQ?si=-yNQEVLfmTT1eHOP&t=42




Setting full Moon. The rabbit is standing on his head.

He rotated 90 degrees during the night.

 

[taurusclover21]

Is that a suggestion that I should stop?

Please continue!

 

[JMartJr]

The Moon Rabbit

I always saw him like this... and he has an Easter Egg, as a rabbit should...

 

[flarkey]

Because you're looking at a chart that shows the phase. It's not careful about the rotation because it couldn't be.

Due to field rotation the Moon is going to appear to be rotated in different positions at different times from rising to setting. Field rotation is caused by Earth's rotation. As the Earth spins on its axis it carries us along with it and our perspective changes. It creates a perceived rotational movement of the Moon... and everything else.

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I accept that sometimes we do have to rotate the moon (see my post #9 above) and that the celestial bodies can change orientation as the move across the sky at night. I should have been more precise with my question. ....

.... why would you rotate the moon (and therefore by inference the the whole image) by almost 180° in this case when we can see two fixed feature (the fence line & vertical post) in the video that give us a reference orientation?

I think the Moon phase is a good fit for the phase on May 28th, 2024.

The whole image rotated to give a 'good fit' for your adjusted moon...

 

[jdog]

Is that a suggestion that I should stop?

The civic value to repeated debunking is that advocates of "disclosure" point to these sorts of alleged sightings as evidence something is happening that requires government action. (Though what action they're seeking varies wildly depending on whether they embrace any of a number of conspiracy theories.)

 

[Ann K]

This video was recorded in Greenock, Scotland, clearly near the port.

Way OT: it was to the esplanade in Greenock that I was taken as a small girl ...er... a wee lassie... to see the young Princesses Elizabeth and Margaret when the royal yacht came into port.

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

I accept that sometimes we do have to rotate the moon (see my post #9 above) and that the celestial bodies can change orientation as the move across the sky at night. I should have been more precise with my question. ....

.... why would you rotate the moon (and therefore by inference the the whole image) by almost 180° in this case when we can see two fixed feature (the fence line & vertical post) in the video that give us a reference orientation?



The whole image rotated to give a 'good fit' for your adjusted moon...
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The short answer is that I was obsessing, perhaps unnecessarily on a pet peeve of mine, which is expecting the Moon in the sky to look exactly the way it's presented in a phase chart. I allowed myself to get sidetracked by that. I was late for work already when I started and made a muddle of it, including using the word "phase" ambiguously.

A really bad habit to rush like that in the morning. But I get worked up.

I neglected to make my real point clear. And why I rotated the Moon in the frame to compare it against the Moon in the phase chart.

Your explanation seems not quite right to me. I agree that this is a waxing gibbous moon rather than a waning gibbous moon.

My real point, which I didn't make explicit, is the percentage of the Moon that's illuminated isn't a good match for May 19th.

74% on May 28th
84% on May 19th

When you take down the glare and rotate the Moon to get a good side by side comparison... the illuminated percentage of the Moon (not the phase) is a good match for the 74% illuminated Moon of May 28th, but not for the 84% percent illuminated Moon of May 19th.

Thus I'm not convinced that this video was taken on May 19th either.

I know it wasn't taken on May 28th. Let's look at the sky on May 28th, 2024 in Greencock (he-heh), Scotland.

The Moon came up not long before the Sun on this morning. For the Moon to match the elevation we see in the video, it would have to be this late in the morning. The Sun is fully up and the Moon is lit on the wrong side for good measure.

Clearly doesn't match what we see the video.

It's clear whoever labeled this video with the date May 28th, 2024 didn't make an innocent mistake. This is clear evidence of deliberate deception.

But I don't think it was May 19th either, because the percentage of the Moon that is illuminated in the video doesn't match what the Moon of May 19th would look like.

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

Does everyone see what I mean?

Video above, Stellarium for May 19th, 2024 below.

 

[Mendel]

Because you're looking at a chart that shows the phase. It's not careful about the rotation because it couldn't be.

Due to field rotation the Moon is going to appear to be rotated in different positions at different times from rising to setting.

However, the North Pole of the moon always points towards the North star, which in Scotland is up. Therefore, if you have to put the moon upside down to match it to a phase chart, you're mismatching the phase. There is definitely a moon phase problem here.

Or maybe the video was flipped horizontally?

 

[flarkey]

@Z.W. Wolf , yes I agree with your points, particularly when trying to get a close match on date & moon phase. In my initial post above my main observation was the mismatch between a waxing moon seen in the video and the waning moon that was on the date given for the video. Working out an approximate date for the waxing moon allowed me to find an ISS pass that was very close to the moon, and therefore a more likely actual date.

@Mendel - re 'is the video flipped' - if we think the UAP object in the video is the ISS then the video can't be flipped horizontally because the ISS can only be seen to move from right-to-left when observed from high northern latitudes such as Scotland.

 

[Mendel]

@Z.W. Wolf , yes I agree with your points, particularly when trying to get a close match on date & moon phase. In my initial post above my main observation was the mismatch between a waxing moon seen in the video and the waning moon that was on the date given for the video. Working out an approximate date for the waxing moon allowed me to find an ISS pass that was very close to the moon, and therefore a more likely actual date.

But if the date must be wrong, we have no clue what the actual date is. Could've been January, could've been 2 years ago. Might not even be from Scotland.

@Mendel - re 'is the video flipped' - if we think the UAP object in the video is the ISS then the video can't be flipped horizontally because the ISS can only be seen to move from right-to-left when observed from high northern latitudes such as Scotland.

Well, yes. It wouldn't have been the ISS then.

What we'd want to look at is the original video file with the original metadata intact.

 

[flarkey]

But if the date must be wrong, we have no clue what the actual date is. Could've been January, could've been 2 years ago.

You're right, and this is a sticky point - if we (as investigators) think the witness is is wrong about the date being 28 May 2024, how can we accept their word with the month & year but not the day? This is a common accusation put to investigators - cherry-picking evidence to suit a pre-defined prosaic conclusion. In this case getting the day wrong is a 'small' error, not a 'gross' error like month or year. All we can do, like in science, is declare an assumption and make a tentative conclusion based on that assumption pending confirmation of the date & location from the video metadata from the witness/podcast host.

Might not even be from Scotland.

True, but I'm pretty sure the witness lives in Scotland. He's the same person (@martin_campbell7 on Instagram) who submitted the video of Mars & Jupiter from Greenock Esplanade in #2 above. (and to be honest, I'm not completely convinced the date on that one is right either, because there's no moon visible in the video, however that doesn't affect the likelihood of the two UAP being Mars & Jupiter as their position does not change as much as the moon everyday)