Their take on the probability of this footage showing birds.What did you ask them?
Their take on the probability of this footage showing birds.What did you ask them?
And what context did you provide them? A link to this thread?Their take on the probability of this footage showing birds.
Do you see the triangle starts to change shape a bit around 1min (full video) I feel like the bottom rear most dot loses the formation a little, problem is there is so much noise it's hard to tell.I also looked up about the rules for flying a drone in and around Utrecht. The whole area seems to be restricted. Its also prohibited to fly drones in the evening hours or at night.
Cant rule out drones, i am wondering if you can switch off lights on a drone but are visible with NV ?
Anyone experienced with drones?
The trajectory is somewhat unusual for satellites in that it appears to be in a slight retrograde orbit whereas most sats are launched into prograde orbits to take advantage of the Earth's rotation. There is however one specific type of orbit that might fit here, a sun-synchronous orbit. Somewhat disappointingly not known to harbour alien spacecraft, but home to the next best thing, the shady military and their spy sats. There's some background on why on Wikipedia.If this was an alien spacecraft, would the southwesterly trajectory make any sense?
Where would come from, where would it go?
And why wasn't it detected elsewhere?
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2021/08/chinese-commercial-hyperbola-fails-return/The vehicle took off from Site 95B at the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center in the Inner Mongolia region of China, with launch occurring at approximately 07:39 UTC. According to the Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) released prior to launch day, the vehicle pitched south from the launch center, strongly suggesting that this launch was to a polar Sun-Synchronous Orbit (SSO) like the rocket’s previous flights.
Witnesses captured the vehicle’s liftoff and ascent, both of which appeared to look nominal, with the vehicle soaring through the stage of flight where the last mission failed.
There are a multitude of reports regarding what happened to the mission during and after ascent. The most official of reports was from the state owned Xinhua news agency, who released a brief statement a number of hours after launch. They confirmed the launch occurred at 07:39 UTC, and corroborated with reports that it was an unsuccessful mission, notably outlining how the satellite “did not enter nominal orbit after separation” and that mission objectives were not achieved.
Before this statement was released, several reports claimed or alluded to the possibility that the payload fairing did not separate, resulting in the payload being unable to nominally detach from the upper stage. The spacecraft colliding into the two joined fairing halves would immediately result in the loss of payload operability in orbit.
Another report claimed the vehicle successfully burned through the solid propellant first and second stages, but that the third solid fueled stage underperformed. It’s unknown if this is linked to the above scenario, but the payload would not be able to offset this lack of performance with its own Reaction Control System (RCS) if fairing separation did not occur.
If fairing separation was successful, but the third stage underperformed, then it is also not known if the satellite’s onboard RCS would have enough performance to offset the below-nominal orbital parameters.
With a VLEO orbit, it would. The question is, how much.EDIT, another one is the fact the 3 dots start to show perspective changes during the clip. This cannot happen with a satellite.
Possibly, I'm not knowledgeable about birds, but on the other hand three birds will always be in straight line -- or some form of triangle.I believe only migratory birds fly in a V-formation
Would depend on the birds. My own observations out my back door its that, three small starlings (blackbirds) would fly around in a very chaotic pattern while heading in a general direction. Three vultures will tend glide and follow the wind and rising thermals as they make there way along. Out hunting I've seen that geese can follow along in a straight path in a V formation. After seeing the zoom in video above with possible wing flapping, I'm leaning that way. He may have just happened to catch a few stray geese at just the right distance and angle.Possibly, I'm not knowledgeable about birds, but on the other hand three birds will always be in straight line -- or some form of triangle.
I sent them a link to the hi-res video and the basic details (time, location, heading). I don't want to color their judgement too much with other theories.And what context did you provide them? A link to this thread?
The problem is it takes time to understand what you are looking at, they may not be familiar with IR night vision devices, they may exclude birds because "birds don't glow at night." If they don't ask the questions like what device is being used etc you are also possibly colouring their judgement.I sent them a link to the hi-res video and the basic details (time, location, heading). I don't want to color their judgement too much with other theories.
Ah, you're absolutely right. And I explained we're looking at IRNV footage and how IRNV works in case they were not familiar, so all good there. They've just replied and this is their (translated) response:The problem is it takes time to understand what you are looking at, they may not be familiar with IR night vision devices, they may exclude birds because "birds don't glow at night." If they don't ask the questions like what device is being used etc you are also possibly colouring their judgement.
I wonder where these alien ships come from. If they come from our galaxy, I'd expect the orbit/trajectory (it might just have been a swing-by) to be more in line with the ecliptic; if they came from above or below the galaxy, aiming for and hitting (narrowly missing) a planet seems quite the feat of navigation! And obviously all these restrictions we worked out with respect to satellites would apply to them, too!It is rather funny that on this forum we have a (sort of) consensus towards explainable bird like situations, whereas on other boards (reddit..) they feel it is an alien ship. Hilarious, but fun!
On that note it is a interesting co-incidence that the 2 biggest UFO vids at the moment both seemingly have a duck connection, must be duck season.
As a Swede, I take offense at the notion that witches would be flying anywhere south of Blåkulla.I mean, all we really found out is that nobody can disprove it was ducks.
That's not much of an explanation, and there are many other options.
When shall we three meet again?
In thunder, lightning, or in rain?
Does anyone know if witches prefer a V formation?
I tried to find out if there are witches in Utrecht, and found this:As a Swede, I take offense at the notion that witches would be flying anywhere south of Blåkulla.
It was believed that witches weighed next to nothing. After all, how could you fly all night on a broomstick to a witches’ sabbath if you didn’t? Oudewater became famous for these weighing tests.
It wasn’t that difficult to accuse someone of practicing witchcraft. A rumor was often enough for those who were superstitious or malicious to accuse innocent people of sorcery. It was much harder however to be cleared of these accusations. From the mid-15th until very late in the 18th century, thousands of innocent people, mostly women, were put to death in Europe.
The Witches Weighhouse in Oudewater became famous for its refusal to participate in the delusions about witchcraft. All of the so-called witches who were ever weighed here were not found to be too light, and were thus not sentenced.
My hometown Amersfoort has a picturesque little bridge that I only recently learnt is named the Heksenbrug (witches bridge). Similar to Oudewater, this is where those accused of witchcraft would be pushed over the edge for the so-called 'water test'. If you would float it would mean you were light enough to fly a broom and would be put to death; if you sank (because those accused would often weigh themselves down with rocks), well, tough luck.Practical debunking, hundreds of years ago!
Indeed! Depending on where one lives.On that note it is a interesting co-incidence that the 2 biggest UFO vids at the moment both seemingly have a duck connection, must be duck season.
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I'm one such person who "specializes" in satellites and unfortunately this video isn't anything like the NOSS trios I've seen. Sorry about that. Looks like a plane to me.I've pretty much settled on satellites.
There are amateurs astronomers who specialize in "satellite spotting." They keep track of known satellites and work out orbits to satellites that have no published data.
"Triads" is the hobbyist jargon term for three satellites in formation. Wish I could help with the hunt but I'm insanely busy.
You might want to start here with this article that has useful links to get you going.
The links are old, and I don't have time to find more up to date stuff. But this will give you the idea of how to get started. Good hunting, chaps.
One of the interesting sights in the night sky are the Naval Ocean Surveillance System (NOSS) satellite formations, each having two or three satellites in close proximity to one another. Normally these satellites are relatively dim to the unaided eye, but on occasion they brighten sufficiently to be easily seen in a dark sky.
NOSS satellites locate and track ships at sea by detecting their radio transmissions and analyzing them using the TDOA (time-difference-of-arrival) technique.