The great Oxford mathematician Roger Penrose is ultimately responsible for much of this nonsense.
In his pop-science book The Emperor's New Mind he argues (falsely in my opinion) that our minds are non-algorithmic (i.e., not a computer, i.e., not a Turing machine), and then hypothesizes that quantum processes must be at play (quantum computers can perform operations that a Turing machine cannot).
[... I see the above post goes the other way around, the mind has a special role in the quantum universe]
It is not that quantum systems change when we observe them. Rather they change when "observed".
Part of a decent AI program would include the ability of self assessment and observation, so I'm not sure what's so magical about the 'observer'. It's not a physically separate and transcendent entity, it's just another software module whose purpose is to manage and coordinate some of the other modules.
How so? Given that consciousness can be defined in so many ways because we still cannot agree what it is, there's no real empirical standard from which to judge that is there?Penrose is brilliant as a physicist, but his writings on consciousness are just goofy.
How so? Given that consciousness can be defined in so many ways because we still cannot agree what it is, there's no real empirical standard from which to judge that is there?
It is essential to realize that staring at the double slit experiment will not cause the pattern to change.That always drives me batty. If a person staring at the double slit experiment caused the pattern to change then we would never know there was a different pattern beforehand in the first place.
One important thing however is that without 'mind' an atom doesn't exist, you need an observer to detect the atom without an observer there is no atom.
Nah its because I came to the same conclusion before i read the book and then latter found the book and was surprised that there were top scientist who agreed.There's quite a history of distinguished scientists espousing crank ideas when they venture outside areas where their expertise lies. You might want to look into it. In any case, it's just an appeal to authority.
I would no more trust a physicist's ideas on religion (which I consider quantum consciousness to be) than I would a pastor's opinion on general relativity.
Nah its because I came to the same conclusion before i read the book and then latter found the book and was surprised that there were top scientist who agreed.
Debunking types don't seem to like change any new idea is very threatening to their world view that is why they aggressively defend it without examining a new idea with an open mind , that is why I suggest you read the book and maybe you will understand it. If you haven't been blown away by quantum mechanics you don't understand it.
This isn't a new idea though. its just different words. its fun though I admit, "Welcome to THE GRAVITON".Nah its because I came to the same conclusion before i read the book and then latter found the book and was surprised that there were top scientist who agreed.
Debunking types don't seem to like change any new idea is very threatening to their world view
Social consciousness, being aware of the fact that other's have a mind which perceives you, being aware of one's place in the social order, needing to cultivate and maintain one's social standing, basic empathy.Another question is where do morals and ethics come from . . .???
'mind' isn't matter. with a big stretch *maybe* we can refer to it as energy, but... the engine is energy (neurons) but not the thought. the thought is nothing, which I know ties into the void, but it doesn't really.Everything at its basic level is connected to quantum mechanics , all matter at its basic level is made of quantum so therefore is it illogical to say the mind is too ?
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