The Final Experiment

Z.W. Wolf

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If we're not too wrapped up in mystery drones, maybe we can pay some attention to FE, just to be retro, you know.

The Final Experiment is happening...

https://www.khq.com/pastor-taking-f...cle_c173c24f-3df0-5bfb-bf88-eee906c341ad.html
DENVER, Dec. 4, 2024 /PRNewswire/ -- A pastor from Colorado hopes to end the debate over the shape of the Earth. Pastor Will Duffy's plan? To bring both flat earthers and globe earthers to Antarctica! On December 14th, four flat earthers and four globe earthers will fly to Antarctica for what is being labeled The Final Experiment.

On the globe, Antarctica is an island continent at the southernmost part of the world. But on a flat earth, Antarctica is an ice wall that encircles all the other continents and holds in all the world's oceans. For years, flat earthers have said that Antarctica holds the key to proving the Earth is flat. But not a single flat earther has ever been to Antarctica. The-Final-Experiment.com Why not? They said the Antarctic Treaty of 1959 prevented them from going. And one of the reasons they believe the Antarctic Treaty was put in place was to specifically prevent people from visiting Antarctica during the summer, which is right now in the southern hemisphere. Visiting Antarctica in the summer is important because on the globe, the sun should not set in much of Antarctica during the summer due to the tilt of the Earth. But on a flat earth, since Antarctica is an ice wall encircling the rest of the world, the sun must rise and set each day. It could never circle in the sky all 24 hours, like it does in Antarctica.


Jeranism is in Antarctica, right this minute, - remember him? - and has confirmed that the 24 hour Sun is real.

[I said] there's no 24-hour Sun. In fact, I was pretty sure of it, but I respect Will Duffy for being a stand-up guy, at least in the way that he kept saying it was true. I kept saying it wasn't. He said, "You want to go? I'll take you," and brought me here.

It's a fact—the Sun does circle you in the South. What does that mean? You guys are going to have to figure that out for yourselves. Don't listen to my beliefs or opinions; they shouldn't matter to you.

 
@Z.W. Wolf (from your quote)
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four flat earthers and four globe earthers will fly to Antarctica
I recall reading that they only got two flat earthers to agree to go, so they had six globe earthers ...er, rational people... on the trip. Is that the distribution they ended up with?
 
I've been following it a bit. Once one watches a debunk of Flaties on YouTube the algorithm assume you want more, so while farting around out in the shop, several different videos have come up. Interesting is the denials and redirections offered by various FEers. From NASA putting up a plastic dome and shinning a light to simulate a 24 hour sun (this from a guy that thinks Mt. Everest is only brought out like a pop-up book when people want to climb it) to various other TFEs of their own concoctions. Usually sailing or flying from a single point on Antartica in opposite directions and timing how long it takes to meet back up.

It is entertaining, at least while farting around in the shop.
 
I thought that I was finally beyond surprise, after the past year or two. Turns out, I was mistaken.
I feel that. I've had to tune out on lots of this type of stuff lately to preserve my mental health. Trouble is, you watch one follow up video of a sane FE debunker and the YouTube algorithm goes nuts - "so, you like the FE 'debate', thought I'd forgotten huh?". So now, all my recently curated music and creative production feeds get polluted with junk and I have to declutter once more.
 
I thought that I was finally beyond surprise, after the past year or two. Turns out, I was mistaken.

Agreed. I had to back it up as I was only 1/2 paying attention. I know there's people out there with unusual beliefs and that they sometimes share those beliefs on social media. It's the fact that other people go along with it that I find fascinating. Now, how many folks agree with the "Everest as pop-up book" theory, I don't know as I saw that guy being reacted to by an equally, if differently, entertaining character.

Here it is, and for us Yanks the accents alone are worth the watch. FE Pedro Again (supposed real name) and his pop-up book Everest I believe is Scottish. The host, Creaky is...I don't know. Maybe Welsh? I suppose I could look it up, but I'm sure some of our UK friends can identify country and county for both of these guys.


Source: https://youtu.be/TVh5LuSGz-w?si=hPcMb_zq3EC0IG7J
 
Agreed. I had to back it up as I was only 1/2 paying attention. I know there's people out there with unusual beliefs and that they sometimes share those beliefs on social media. It's the fact that other people go along with it that I find fascinating.
Well, you had that back in the old Art Bell days, where he had to fill hours of radio time with often-conflicting stories of the supernatural and alien, to the point where he (like other AM radio hosts) resorted to shill callers making up ever wilder stories. The difference these days seems to be that anyone can make money generating clicks to YouTube or other social media services, which require outrageousness to get shares and clicks and constant and regular production to get algorithmic recommendations.

Which also means committing to the bit, where the bit is flat earth belief.
 
It is slightly entertaining to watch their realization.

The weather in Antarctica is very clear and endlessly sunny, with high cognitive dissonance.

I would really be surprised if this changes anything because it does nothing to address the core of the issue - distrust of authority and dissatisfaction with modern society. However, I wish it would get more press coverage because it might shut down the idea for some people who think it's just a fun belief. On the other hand, it might entice other people to travel there for themselves, which is not a great idea.

https://sharonahill.com/flat-earthers-go-to-antarctica/
 
That's a nicely written article, I mentioned a while back that exposure to the reality of other people living and studying in Antarctica, the infrastructure there and the just general getting out of the online bubble and getting some 24hr sun on their faces might do more to soften views than pure exposure to stark facts.
 
That's a nicely written article, I mentioned a while back that exposure to the reality of other people living and studying in Antarctica, the infrastructure there and the just general getting out of the online bubble and getting some 24hr sun on their faces might do more to soften views than pure exposure to stark facts.
I fully expect that the flat earth crowd will just come up with some different models for how they think the sun works. Giving up a cherished (but loony) belief is a painful process for those who find thinking difficult.
 
I fully expect that the flat earth crowd will just come up with some different models for how they think the sun works. Giving up a cherished (but loony) belief is a painful process for those who find thinking difficult.
I expect most will ignore it, like they do how the elevation of Polaris changes with latitude in a way that does not work on FE.
The rest make do with "reflection" and lots of handwaving.
If you consider how the globe is lit in December (there's a handy little diagram right on Gleeson's map), that already requires extremely bendy light on FE.

FE works with intuition, and astronomy is not intuitive. "I feel at rest, and water looks flat" is intuitive (but false).
 
And note that they set up at a special position outside of the standard camp, which is in the shadow of that mountain. As if the flat earthers would be vindicated if the sun temporarily went behind the mountain. So they took that potential complaint away.
Of course the sun is out all the time there, because they obviously took him to a fake Antartica on the moon and the moon is up there with the sun. /s
 
Of course the sun is out all the time there, because they obviously took him to a fake Antartica on the moon and the moon is up there with the sun. /s
That's BS.
FEers know that the moon is its own light, not lit by the sun:
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Genesis 1:16 - And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars.
 
And note that they set up at a special position outside of the standard camp, which is in the shadow of that mountain. As if the flat earthers would be vindicated if the sun temporarily went behind the mountain. So they took that potential complaint away.
That's someone who's been debating conspiracy theorists for some time.
 
"I feel at rest, and water looks flat" is intuitive (but false).
water always curves.jpg
 
I believe in Pythagoras and Platon.
Milet was just wrong and also Jesaja.
The final Experiment could just have been the use of Binoculars. And the Question of how the hell the Shadow on the Moon came from.
 
The host, Creaky is...I don't know. Maybe Welsh?

Yes...Welsh. His name is a spin on the name of a TV series called Peaky Blinders. I like his slightly sarcastic tone, which comes across well in a Welsh accent. I think flat-earthism is one of the few topics for which there is such a high level of wilful ignorance ( and in some cases almost certainly deliberate trolling ) that a certain level of jocular sarcasm is actually necessary.
 
Wow, youtube vlogger Mutahar Anas ("SomeOrdinaryGamers") just made a video about FE and The Final Experiment. He mainly talks about tech and gaming and current events on his channel. His channel has 3.8 million subscribers, the video was posted 8 hours ago and already has 146k views, so it's bringing a lot of eyes from folks who would have never heard about TFE.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bctKdOa3xdU
 
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