The FBI Fosters, Funds and Equips American Terrorists

Oxymoron

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From 5 mins is a complete PR disaster



http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013...ttacks-on-u-s-soil-between-1970-and-2012.html

An FBI report shows that only a small percentage of terrorist attacks carried out on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were perpetrated by Muslims.
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(The chart is misleading in several ways. For example, it labels “Extreme Left Wing Groups” and “Communists”, but not “Extreme Right Wing Groups” or “Fascists”. It should have either discarded all partisan labels, or included labels for both ends of the spectrum. In addition, “Latinos” is misleading, as Loonwatch is actually referring to Puerto Rican separatist groups, Cuban exile groups and the like. However, as shown below, many of the basic concepts are correct.)
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http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2013/04/29/boston-lockdown-fear-uncertainty-and-bias/
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/04/30/nati-a30.html

The action, carried out with the backing of the Obama administration and in conjunction with state and local authorities, was tantamount to the imposition of a state of siege on a major American city. There is no precedent for the mobilization of thousands of National Guard troops, riot police, SWAT teams, machine-gun mounted armored vehicles, military helicopters and attack dogs that was employed to close down Boston and a number of suburbs, with residents told to “shelter in place” while armed officers carried out warrentless house-to-house searches.
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Tazmanian

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The UN Human Rights Council blames the Boston attacks on US foreign policy
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/04/23/watchdog-group-blasts-un-official-for-blaming-boston-bombings-on-american/

Putin agrees. He's upset that when the Chechen terrorists attack Russia, the US calls them "insurgents" and then assist the terrorists with funding.
http://rt.com/news/putin-boston-bombing-terrorists-381/

Ken Livingstone, the former Mayor of London agrees
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...nks-Boston-bombings-to-US-foreign-policy.html

 

MikeC

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Awesome self-contradiction in that video - whining about the FBI arresting "incompetent" terrorists before they do anything....and then whining about the FBI not arresting competent terrorists before they did do something (WTC bombing)
 

Oxymoron

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Awesome self-contradiction in that video - whining about the FBI arresting "incompetent" terrorists before they do anything....and then whining about the FBI not arresting competent terrorists before they did do something (WTC bombing)

What is wrong with that? They are not supposed to be running around inducing and paying the mentally ill to attempt terrorist acts so they can arrest them and get kudos and more funding.

And they are not supposed to allow a known bombing to go ahead without intervention.
 

jvnk08

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That "Seal Team" logo is actually the trademark for the Marvel character "Punisher".

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...TYOKfpiAe_kYGQCQ&ved=0CE8QsAQ&biw=320&bih=417


It is, in fact, a Craft hat, but that doesn't mean anything. For one thing anyone can buy them from their store. These guys are most likely NatGuard CSTs(as shown in the other thread dedicated to them), and Craft offers a lot of counter-terrorism courses/training. It's not really shady that their insignia appears on a single hat worn by one of the folks you would likely expect to bear said insignia...
 

MikeC

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What is wrong with that? They are not supposed to be running around inducing and paying the mentally ill to attempt terrorist acts so they can arrest them and get kudos and more funding.


You don't see the problem with complaining about arresting people before they commit an act and complaining about not arresting people before they commit an act? That dosen't strike you as a little 2-faced??

And they are not supposed to allow a known bombing to go ahead without intervention.

indeed - yet that is precisely what the FBI are being criticised for doing.

If you arrest them on the basis that they seem to be planning a bombing and it turns out that their plan was actualy a bit pathetic - should that be seen as evidence of the arresting agency "manufacturing terrorism"??
 

Cairenn

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If the government is involved, according to some, whatever they do, is damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
 

Tazmanian

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It is, in fact, a Craft hat, but that doesn't mean anything. For one thing anyone can buy them from their store. These guys are most likely NatGuard CSTs(as shown in the other thread dedicated to them), and Craft offers a lot of counter-terrorism courses/training. It's not really shady that their insignia appears on a single hat worn by one of the folks you would likely expect to bear said insignia...

And this guy is wearing the same logo on his shirt.



Wearing your superhero costume to a back yard get together is one thing, wearing it while you're on duty means something completely different. Having unidentified Rambo type guys running around doing covert operations is NOT ok. They're so used to doing it in other countries, now they think they can do it at home? The taxpayers need to approve their activity, and that's why they need to be identifiable, just like all the other public servants. I want to know what I'm paying for.
 
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Cairenn

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Wearing your superhero costume to a back yard ng said:
Why are you insisting that they were doing 'covert operations"? If it was covert, they would be wearing jeans and maybe a Red Sox t shirt. YOU don't go around wearing insignia when you are doing a covert op.
 

MikeC

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Having unidentified Rambo type guys running around doing covert operations is NOT ok.

These chaps were quickly identified as "Craft International trained" personnel all over the 'net within a day or so of the bombing - just look up "tan pants bostom bombing"!

And what covert operation?

AFAIK being trained by a "private security service", or evenbeing employed as such dose not restrict you from attending public events, and tan pants and a black jacket are hardly "superhero costume"!
 

Tazmanian

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Why are you insisting that they were doing 'covert operations"? If it was covert, they would be wearing jeans and maybe a Red Sox t shirt. YOU don't go around wearing insignia when you are doing a covert op.

If they were there for a reason, what was the reason? They certainly weren't helping anyone. What was in their back packs? Why was their vehicle allowed in the area along with the FBI bomb squad? They were the only team at the finish line, if they were supposed to provide security, they didn't do a very good job.

The other team, the one that's actually trained to respond, wasn't allowed on the scene. What makes these guys so special?

I'm not insisting anything, I just like to ask questions. Especially if I'm the ope paying for it. Don't you?
 

MikeC

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I don'' know the reason - but isn't it axiomatic in hte USA that if you are not actually doing anythign wrong yuo dont' have to give reasons for standing around in a public place??

what is hte evidence that they were "the only team allwoed at the finish line"? WERE they actually there to provide security? why don't you know?? Have you actually asked the FBI??
If not why not?

And if they were there to "provide security" exactly what was the nature of the contract - croud control? Were they actually there to check for bombs? Were they there for training in a crowded public environment?

I don't know the answers - it is easy to ask questions though - why don't you actually do some research instead of insisting everyone else answers your questions for you???

And also acknowledge that the fact that you and I do not know the answers does NOT mean they are guilty of anything at all!
 

Cairenn

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Did it occur to you that a friend might have been running in the race? Or that like to attend it? Thousands of folks do that. Water would have been reasonable item to have in backpack.

I often carry a tote bag, with a couple of water bottles in it. Some of the meds I am on give a dry mouth and I have GERD that makes me cough a lot. Water helps with both of those. How many other folks had on backpacks?
 

Tazmanian

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Did it occur to you that a friend might have been running in the race? Or that like to attend it? Thousands of folks do that. Water would have been reasonable item to have in backpack.

I often carry a tote bag, with a couple of water bottles in it. Some of the meds I am on give a dry mouth and I have GERD that makes me cough a lot. Water helps with both of those. How many other folks had on backpacks?

Do you also have a vehicle that shows up after you call them? And the FBI bomb squad? If they were hired, why is no one claiming them? If they were spectators, or training, why is that a big secret, why can't they just say that?

http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/1718
 

MikeC

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Maye nobody hired them, and that is why nobody is "claiming them".

Maybe they were there because as US citizens they have a right to attend public events without being harrased by conspiracy nuts?

Have you actually asked THEM why they were there? Who would know better than they would!

The article you link to is shoddy - he rang their number and got an answering service, who told him to address any questions to their email address. He says he has sent an email "but got no response" - no date is given when he made the enquiry. He makes no mention of having made any followup, nor tells us the actual content of the email.

Al in all it's still just a beat up and not actually any evidence that anything was actually wrong at all.

sorry about that.
 

Cairenn

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They did NOTHING wrong. There is no reason for folks to pester others about their presence there.

Why should ANYONE have to prove to you WHY they were at a public event? You would be horrified if the police asked you why did you go to a certain movie, instead of another. Folks have RIGHTS of free assembly.

Get a Freedom of information form and find out, otherwise you are just gossiping, like the old lady that lived back of us.
 

Tazmanian

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Maye nobody hired them, and that is why nobody is "claiming them".

Maybe they were there because as US citizens they have a right to attend public events without being harrased by conspiracy nuts?

Have you actually asked THEM why they were there? Who would know better than they would!

With this attitude, we can expect a lot more bombings in the future. No problem.
 

Tazmanian

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They did NOTHING wrong. There is no reason for folks to pester others about their presence there.

Why should ANYONE have to prove to you WHY they were at a public event? You would be horrified if the police asked you why did you go to a certain movie, instead of another. Folks have RIGHTS of free assembly.

Get a Freedom of information form and find out, otherwise you are just gossiping, like the old lady that lived back of us.

These people also did nothing wrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1_PxLmxvNA
 

Pete Tar

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Do you also have a vehicle that shows up after you call them? And the FBI bomb squad? If they were hired, why is no one claiming them? If they were spectators, or training, why is that a big secret, why can't they just say that?

http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/1718

But you've been shown an article, and you even quoted from it, that did talk about who they were and the reason they were.
If you're actually interested in this, why are you repeating questions that have been answered?
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CST WMD troops on duty at Boston Marathon at the time of the explosion:

Massachusetts Army NG: Unknown
Rhode Island Army NG: 2 (source: Commander Meriwether)
New York Army NG: 5 (source: Staten Island Advance)
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Meriwether’s unit, which she says wears a uniform consisting of navy blue shirts, black vests and khaki pants, were not at the crowded finish line throughout the race.
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Cairenn

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I doubt it. We don't have very many. [...]

Of the 380 individuals indicted for acts of political violence or for conspiring to carry out such attacks in the U.S. since 9/11, 77 were able to obtain explosives or the components necessary to build a bomb, according to a count by the New America Foundation.
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Of those, 48 were right-wing extremists, 23 were militants inspired by al Qaeda's ideology, five have been described as anarchists and one was an environmentalist terrorist.

But in the years since 9/11, actual terrorist bombings in the U.S., like the ones at the Boston Marathon, have been exceedingly rare.

The only bombing attack carried out by an extremist in the United States during the past 12 years was in 2004 when Dennis Mahon, a white supremacist, sent a homemade bomb to Don Logan, the African-American city diversity director of Scottsdale, Arizona, who was maimed when the package exploded in his arms.

By contrast, in the decade before 9/11, the United States saw a number of terrorist bombings -- such as the 1993 truck bomb that killed six at the World Trade Center, carried out by a group of men inspired by al Qaeda's ideology; the Oklahoma City bombing two years later, which killed 168, masterminded by Timothy McVeigh, who was motivated by right-wing extremist ideas; and the 1996 Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta, carried out by anti-abortion extremist Eric Rudolph, which killed one person.

here are several reasons for the decline in the number of successful bombing attacks by violent extremists in the years since the Oklahoma City bombing.

Almost overnight, the Oklahoma City attacks destroyed the scant credibility of the type of right-wing militia groups that McVeigh had associated with.

The feds also began to pay considerable attention to anyone purchasing large amounts of fertilizer of the kind that was used to construct the Oklahoma City truck bomb.

After 9/11 there was a rapid increase in the number of Joint Terrorism Task Forces around the country, which are made up of multiple law enforcement agencies working together to ferret out suspected terrorist activity.

And following the 9/11 attacks, far more businesses started reporting to law enforcement suspicious purchases of any kind of material that could be used for bomb-making.

As a result, since 9/11 bomb plots that have simply fizzled out have overwhelmingly been the rule.
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/16/opinion/bergen-bombings



The data - which excludes 1993 - shows how there are actually fewer attacks now than in the 1970s. There were a total of 207 terrorist attacks in the US between 2001 and 2011. They went down from a high of 40 in 2001 to nine in 2011. The smallest number of attacks occurred in 2006 when the database recorded six. Between 2001 and 2011, it shows a total of 21 fatal terror attacks.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2013/apr/17/four-decades-us-terror-attacks-listed-since-1970



It seems that terrorism is going down, just like other violence acts.
 

MikeC

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With this attitude, we can expect a lot more bombings in the future. No problem.

Rubbish - my attitude is that people who have no known link to a crime should not be harrased about it.

With your attitude people can expect to be subjected to harrasment for no other reason than you do not know what they are doing..

conspiracy theorists often complain about unwarranted interference by "the powers that be" so I find it ironic that you would liek to do exactly that to someone else.
 
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