Tamerlan Tsarnaev Dabbled in Conspiracy Culture

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One of the Boston Bomber suspects subscribed to right-wing white supremacy literature and government conspiracy theories before the horrific attack which killed three people.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev read extreme right-wing literature that claimed 'Hitler had a point' and articles about the 'rape of our gun rights', an investigation has found.

The 26-year-old also had material that claimed the 9/11 attacks and the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing were government conspiracies.

He and his brother Dzhokhar, originally from Chechnya, allegedly carried out the bombing at the Boston marathon's finish line on April 15 which killed three people and injured more than 260.

Until now the pair are believed to have carried out the attacks due to their radical jihadist beliefs.

But an investigation by the BBC's Panorama programme has learnt that Tamerlan possessed white supremacist literature, and material on mass killings and how victims were murdered.

After the shoot-out, it emerged that Tamerlan had become interested in Islam - but to what extent is unclear.

A spokesman for Tamerlan's mosque in Cambridge, Massachuessets, said Tamerlan only prayed there occasionally, and described him as an angry man who latched onto Islam, Panorama reported.

The older of the two Chechen brothers once dreamed of representing the U.S. as a boxer, it was reported, but before the bombings had turned to Islam.

Tamerlan wasn't a devout practicing Muslim, but within the last two years had begun praying five times a day, his aunt Maret Tsarnaeva has said.

The relative said that the brothers and their family came to the United States in 2002 after she helped them apply for refugee status.

Tsarnaev has a three-year-old daughter called Zahara with Katherine Russell, 24, who converted to Islam for her husband.


He received his American citizenship on September 11, 2012. He traveled to Russia last year and returned to the U.S. six months later, government officials told The Associated Press.


he eldest brother was killed in a police shootout on April 19 – four days after he and his younger brother Dzhokhar allegedly set off bombs during the Boston Marathon.
The gun battle happened a day after the FBI released images of him and his younger brother at the Boston marathon.

His brother, 19-year-old Dzhokhar, was found hiding in a boat parked in a suburban yard and suffered a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the neck.

They allegedly dumped two pressure cooker bombs crammed with shrapnel and detonated them near the finish line, killing three people, including an eight-year-old boy, and injuring 180 more.

Three people were killed in the cowardly attack and 264 more were wounded, several of whom lost limbs.

Dzhokhar, 19, has pleaded not guilty to 30 charges, including 17 that carry the death penalty.


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Seems like conditioning to equate any form of questioning/skepticism outside of the status quo with terrorism.
 

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We're not even sure he was behind it besides what "officials claim." They didn't even have the same color backpacks.



 
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It is interesting that a guy who belived that 911 and OKC were staged would also commit a terrorist attack. After thinking about this some more. It seems more likely that Tamerlan was just dabbling into anything that's extremist or non mainstream whether its muslim extremism or right wing extremism.
 

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And what makes you or anyone else so sure that torn bacpack was the one used to hold the explosive?
Can't tell if you're trolling or you're playing dumb.

Show me better evidence of what "officials claim".

You just blindly & obediently submit to officials' words as if it's gospel without question or thought? I thought you were a skeptic.
 
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OK fair enough I'm sorry if I was condescending I didn't mean to attack you in anyway. It just irks me because the officials haven't provided any concrete evidence for their claims.
 

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After it was exposed that the "book" written by Tamserlan Tsarnaev to be completely fake evidence ... everything else that's claimed needs to be questioned and verified, rather than blindly accepted as truth.
 

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Try Google. They also claimed that they shot the Watertown officer, and it was later discovered that it was friendly fire.
 

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I found the younger brother's twitter on Reddit.. https://twitter.com/j_tsar

He's tweeting about being the best at beer pong, smoking weed, game of thrones, partying and etc. Normal teen things than does a complete 180? The officials claim he was a Muslim extremist when it's strictly prohibited in the Koran to drink alcohol.
 

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Not the transit cop though. And they corrected the story.

(edit, sorry I mean MIT cop)
I apologize for not being clear but yeah, I wasn't referring to the MIT cop. However, there were inconsistencies with the narrative pertaining to that story as well. Here's a indepth article which you might find interesting...

All one has to do is consider the eyewitness accounts of the shootout in Watertown to realize that the Tsarnaev brothers were almost certainly not—as a surprisingly large number of people posting comments on this site and around the Internet seem to believe—harmless naïfs who did nothing wrong. Whether or not they planted the bombs at the 2013 Boston Marathon, whether or not they acted alone or in concert with others, whether they were ideologues or dupes, it seems evident that they were involved in some kind of violent adventure culminating in the death of Tamerlan Tsarnaev and the shooting and apprehension of his brother Dzhokhar.

I spent Wednesday of this week talking to residents of the streets where the shootouts took place, and there doesn’t seem to be any doubt that both brothers were there, were armed, and threw bombs at police.

Nonetheless, many aspects of the story remain unclear, and decidedly troublesome. And getting to the bottom of this complex story is not just an option—we cannot afford as a society to have large traumas of this sort come and go without clarity. Otherwise, we are all dupes, of one kind or another.

We’ve raised reasonable questions about the events surrounding the Marathon bombing in previous articles, from the presence of mysterious black-clad security men with well-stuffed backpacks at the race to the FBI and CIA’s awareness of the Tsarnaev family long before April 15, 2013. (See this, this and this.)

Now, some might say that nothing else matters as long as police got their men. However, it is often in the details, the “weeds,” if you will, where we find that a narrative can be useful as far as it goes and yet terribly misleading in terms of what it all means. As we’ve noted, many much-loved historical narratives turn out to be little more than carefully crafted myths around a few core facts.

Our media and our leading interpreters of events explain everything in terms that the unsophisticated can easily grasp. Yet in the real world, happenings may take place for a welter of reasons that even those directly involved may not be aware of.

It is with this in mind that we’ve been down in the weeds.

The “Confession”

If there’s one thing out of all the “facts” that emerged in the early hours and days after the bombing that cemented the Tsarnaevs’ capital-G Guilt, it was, unquestionably, the killing of MIT police officer Sean Collier on the night of Thursday, April 18, three days after the explosions at the Marathon.

At the time of Collier’s shooting, the FBI had just released video of two unnamed “persons of interest” walking with backpacks—shown amid many other people walking with backpacks. The still-anonymous Tsarnaevs were nothing more than people with whom the FBI wanted to talk. No hard evidence had been released that connected them to the bombing itself.

Within hours of the FBI video release, everything went nuts. First came word of “officer down” at MIT. Then, quickly, news of a carjacking. Then police swarming everywhere. Then a shootout and the death of one suspect, followed by a lull, and then the discovery and near-death of the second suspect.

Soon came the narrative to explain much, if not all. The suspects in the video had been behind both the bombing and the killing of the police officer. We knew that because the carjacking victim had escaped, and told police and later selected media how his captors had confessed to him.

Boston Globe reporter Eric Moskowitz gained cooperation from the still-unnamed hostage (nicknamed “Danny”). Here’s a portion of Danny’s tale, in which the elder Tsarnaev, Tamerlan, confessed during the carjacking:

He asked if [Danny] had followed the news about Monday’s Boston Marathon bombings

[snip]

“I did that,” said the man, who would later be identified as Tamerlan Tsarnaev. “And I just killed a policeman in Cambridge.”

We’ll have more to say about the carjacking in a subsequent article. But for now, the key thing to remember is that in some ways, the shooting of Officer Collier immediately before the carjacking and the alleged confession in the car—to both crimes—were absolutely essential in creating the first profile of the Tsarnaevs as murder-minded individuals, not just two guys on a video wearing backpacks.

Collier as Officer Tippit

Besides playing a central role in establishing a case against the brothers, Collier’s death also served a powerful symbolic purpose in the official narrative, with a huge memorial service for the MIT officer on April 24, addressed by Vice President Biden. Throughout, the spotlight has been on Collier as Hero—a kind of ritualistic hagiography devoid of any inclination to investigate the actual circumstances of his death.

For students of history, however, this part of the narrative had a familiar ring. Exactly half a century ago, another traumatic event took place: the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The big break in that case came several hours later, when a police officer, J.D. Tippit, was shot and killed. Soon, one of the many employees in a tall building on Kennedy’s parade route, Lee Harvey Oswald, was connected to both events. Like Tamerlan Tsarnaev, he had recently spent time in Russia. Like Tamerlan Tsarnaev, he had been under scrutiny by the FBI before the crime.

In both cases, it was the killing of a police officer that turbocharged the police pursuit—and that, once the suspect was apprehended, convinced the public quickly that the police had their man.

Until the shooting of officer Collier, the Tsarnaevs were just two guys seen on a video wearing backpacks. And until the Tippit shooting, Oswald was just one of many employees in a building that most eyewitnesses felt was not even the source of the shots that killed Kennedy.

In both cases, the shooting of the police officer did not make a lot of sense in the context of the “main event” – but nevertheless gave the pursuit a jolt of adrenaline. Only later would crucial details of the narrative be changed—at a time when few would notice.

A Myth

In the case of Oswald, serious doubts would emerge as to whether he had killed Officer Tippit.

In the case of Officer Collier, if we look carefully, we can see that the script was rewritten after most people stopped paying attention.

Early reports left the impression that Collier had some kind of active interaction with his killers.

Here’s the Associated Press from that night:

Cambridge police and the Middlesex District Attorney’s office says the officer was responding to a report of a disturbance when he was shot multiple times.

Here’s the MIT News—the publication of the university’s administration—several days later:

On the evening of Thursday, April 18, MIT Police Officer Sean Collier was shot and killed in the line of duty following an altercation at the corner of Vassar Street and Main Street on the MIT campus.

And here’s the Los Angeles Times on April 23, five days after Collier’s death:

WASHINGTON–Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev allegedly shot and killed a Massachusetts Institute of Technology police officer Thursday because they wanted his service revolver, according to two federal government law enforcement officials who have been briefed on the Boston Marathon manhunt.

They came upon Collier outside a gas station and convenience store near the MIT campus in Cambridge. He was apparently shot multiple times, but had left a safety device on his holster that the suspects could not unlock to retrieve the weapon.

It was unclear which brother shot the officer, the officials said. However, authorities have obtained a surveillance photo of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, dressed in a gray hoodie, at the store.

This is a false story, circulated days after the events. Collier was not outside a gas station and convenience store. Dzhokhar certainly appears to have gone into a gas station/convenience store later that evening, but Collier was not there and no murder took place at that time. Collier did not respond to a disturbance. He did not approach anyone. In fact, it’s likely he never even knew who shot him.

To this day, hardly anyone in the general public is aware of this glitch in the narrative. Yet it is very important. Because if the initial story had been, “unknown persons came up behind a police officer sitting quietly in his patrol car and shot him for no apparent reason, not even taking his firearm” – that would no doubt have triggered a very different media response.

Keeping up the Hero Story

It was for some reason very important to someone that the death of this police officer be projected on a massive screen. Consider the content and tone of this, from the Boston Herald:

Thousands of students and law enforcement officers from across the country have packed the Massachusetts Institute of Technology campus to honor fallen MIT Police Officer Sean Collier who was remembered as a joy-filled, caring and compassionate man who believed kindness could change society.

MIT set aside 15,000 seats at Briggs Field and every one was filled, with law enforcement officers making up two-thirds of the heartbroken audience.

Here’s the Atlantic Wire:

MIT held a public memorial service Wednesday afternoon for fallen officer Sean Collier on their Briggs Field, where the 26-year-old university police officer was remembered for his commitment to the school community, his love of country music, and his dedication to his job. Vice President Joe Biden closed the ceremony’s remarks, offering words of condolence to the family from the perspective of someone who had also lost a child—before offering a scathing indictment of the Tsarnaev brothers’ terrorism.

MIT cancelled classes for the service, which brought together members of the MIT community, law enforcement officers, and public officials. A private funeral was held Tuesday. Yesterday, CBS News reported that Collier may have been killed because the Tsarnaev brothers wanted his gun.

Yet, even after it was clear that Collier had done nothing more than sit in his car while someone came up behind him and shot him, the authorities were still feeling it necessary to lay it on thick. On April 25, a week after Collier’s death, the New York Times was reporting

“I [still] consider him a hero,” Boston’s police commissioner, Edward Davis, said in an interview this week. “It was his death that ultimately led to the apprehension. The report of the shot officer led to all those resources being poured in.”

A cop had been shot, “all those resources” were poured into that general vicinity, and a juggernaut had been launched. There was nothing that would reverse it. Indeed, a month after Collier’s death, a Cambridge, MA, brewery announced it was issuing a special “Collier Stout” in his honor.

Why were we more upset over Collier’s death than other deaths of law enforcement personnel? Because it was linked, in the public’s mind, with the assault upon America itself at the Marathon. The killing of Collier, we were told, was an act against us all. “Boston Strong.” “America Strong.” In a sense, when we wore those ribbons, attended those mass ceremonies, we were mourning, yet again, our loss of innocence in the face of a world that seems to be spinning out of control.

Why Was Collier Killed?

Here’s what we were told at the time of that memorial service:

Until now, it is not been clear why the officer – who was laid to rest today at a private funeral service in his hometown of Stoneham, Massachusetts – was shot dead.

The officer was slain execution-style as he sat in his patrol car at the MIT campus in the suburb of Cambridge.

But now, according to CBS News, police believe the officer was ambushed by the Tsarnaev brothers in a botched attempt to take his gun to boost their arsenal of just one real gun and a pellet gun.

We have been told that, perhaps, the brothers wanted his gun.

Yet, they did not take it. The police chief explained that maybe they could not get it out of his holster, because it was found still in the holster. But it is also possible that whoever shot him was not interested in taking his gun.

It is also important to understand that the CBS News coverage—including the dubious claim that Collier was killed in an attempt to get his gun, and the belated story that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev scrawled a confession on the interior walls of a boat while he lay bloody and grievously wounded – is helmed by John Miller, CBS Senior Correspondent, who between journalistic stints served as the top spokesman for the FBI. In other words, it is an FBI insider who is guiding the narrative. Of course, the FBI itself has serious credibility problems, including the fact that it failed to disclose that it knew exactly who the Tsarnaevs were, long before the bombing. (On May 22, an FBI agent shot and killed Ibragim Todashev, another person of Chechen origin connected to the story and the investigation—whom a friend claims had recently warned him that he felt he was in the process of being framed; and who reportedly had, at the time of his death, just confessed.)

As we previously noted, all of these shootings warrant a closer look—including why so many shots were fired at Dzhokhar Tsarnaev as he lay wounded in that boat, firing not a single shot, and given the potential importance of him as a witness.

All of this must be addressed. But for the purposes of this article, let’s stay focused on Officer Collier’s death—and the circumstances surrounding it.

Why Would the Brothers Have Been on the MIT Campus?

Nobody seems to know. Would they have been there because they knew they would find an officer sitting in his car between buildings? If not, it means the brothers randomly passed through this unlikely area and happened upon Collier in his unlikely spot, snuck up behind him, killed him, and then—took nothing.

Why Collier Was Where He Was

Why was Collier even sitting in his police car at that time? According to news accounts, Collier was parked near the intersection of two streets in Cambridge for the purpose of preventing illegal shortcuts through campus. Here’s the Boston Globe’s account:

About 9:30 p.m., Collier was on routine patrol. He was parked by the corner of Vassar and Main streets. It was a spot where motorists would sometimes take a chance, making an illegal shortcut through campus to avoid a red light.

“We ask patrols to sit there,” DiFava explained. It prevents the forbidden cut-throughs and it provides a high-profile presence for the MIT community.

Something crucial is missing from this account. Collier was not parked on the street. He was parked on the pavement, a distance from the corner, between two campus buildings. When I asked students about the scenario Chief DiFava presented, they were baffled. They didn’t recall patrols sitting between those buildings, and it was not apparent how or why anyone would save a minute at a red light by climbing the pavement and driving between buildings.

With crazed terrorist bombers on the loose, why was this officer sitting where he was? I hoped to clear this up with Chief DiFava. Especially since DiFava is not just MIT’s police chief, but also the chief of MIT “facilities operations.” Thus, he had oversight of facilities including the many sensitive research facilities scattered around the campus, some close to where Collier died.

At the campus police station, I was first told that he was…in Guatemala. Why Guatemala? Why go so far away to a foreign country at the very time that everyone most wanted to talk to him? In any case, I was soon informed that he had been in Guatemala, but just returned. But he had left again. Now he was in Washington. Why Washington? Something to do with the case? But again I was told he was back, but out on business off campus.

Then I was told that maybe he was not off campus, but that in any case, he preferred not to talk. I wondered why that would be, when he had already shown a willingness to talk. Then I was told that I needed to go through the MIT central authorities. Was it the chief who did not want to talk, or was he told not to?

I tried to talk to the Emergency Medical Technicians, students who volunteer to handle campus emergencies, and whose colleagues showed up with their ambulance at the scene of the shooting—they declined and I left. And then I got this email from MIT’s Executive Vice President for Communications:

Mr. Baker,

I have heard from a number of people at MIT that you have been on campus today wanting to ask people questions about the week of the marathon.

Your approach—visiting very busy people in person unannounced to ask them about this painful subject—is not productive, and in some cases, it has proved upsetting. I need to ask that you please follow the guidance that my colleague….. gave you over the phone today. You should email her whatever questions you have, and we can go from there.

Can you agree to this, please?

The Video

Significantly, we’ve been assured that the Tsarnaevs were Collier’s killers.

Here’s a report from the afternoon of Friday, April 19, from the Associated Press—probably the major source of information for the nation’s media, essentially stating that the Tsarnaevs committed the shooting:

WATERTOWN, Mass. (AP) — Two suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing — identified to The Associated Press as coming from the Russian region near Chechnya — killed an MIT police officer, injured a transit officer in a firefight and threw explosive devices at police during their getaway attempt in a long night of violence that left one of them dead and another still at large Friday, authorities said.

Nine days later, on April 28, we see this from the Boston Globe’smega-narrative of the sprawling affair:

Authorities say video from a surveillance camera shows the suspects approaching Collier’s car from the rear as he sat in his cruiser. Collier was shot five times, including twice in the head, officials said.

“The suspects.” In a long article about the Tsarnaevs, it is reasonable to conclude that the Globe means the Tsarnaevs.

It is all much more unclear. On April 25, several days before the Globe published the bit above, the New York Timesoffered a crucial but underplayed distinction:

While there is video of two men approaching Officer Collier’s car, three law enforcement officials said, it does not clearly show their faces. But investigators now believe the brothers killed the officer to get another gun.

The Times reports that the video does not establish with certainty the identity of Collier’s murderers. Yet the next sentence accepts as a certainty that it was the brothers.

Murkier and Murkier

In a story full of weird twists, here’s another: one of the first responders to the scene at MIT was himself later shot in Watertown. In the early accounts, we were told:

One of the first responders to the scene of the officer’s death was police officer Richard Donohue, who had gone through the police academy at the same time as Officer Collier.

A few hours later, he would be critically wounded in the Watertown shootout with the Tsarnaev brothers.

What are the odds? Of all the law enforcement people who could get shot in Watertown, only Donohue was. Unlike Collier, Donohue was a Boston transit policeman—but the two were good friends.

And then, more….We learned later that Donohue was hit not by the Tsarnaevs, but by “friendly fire.” That is, an early witness on the scene of the mysterious shooting of Officer Collier shortly thereafter became himself the victim of a strange shooting— by fellow law enforcement officers.

Donohue survived and, according to the Boston Globe on May 19, is saying nothing about that night because he … can’t:

Officer Richard “Dic” Donohue of the MBTA Transit Police remembers almost
nothing of the night he was shot during chaotic gunfire on a normally quiet
Watertown street, or of the murder of his close friend, MIT police Officer
Sean Collier, hours before in Cambridge.

An editor at The Globe told me they’d received tremendous grief from police for reporting the fact that Donohue had apparently been shot by fellow officers. This despite the fact that the paper hardly focused on that, initially reporting it in an article where it was almost mentioned in passing. Nonetheless—or perhaps because of the sensitivity, we’ve seen surprisingly little coverage of this angle by the local and national media.

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I did end up submitting questions to MIT; I received a short note back that said, in part,

John DiFava is not available to speak with you. But I can give you answers to some of your questions.

John is Director of Facilities Operations and Security and also the Chief of the MIT Police Department.

That was the only answer. The letter continued:

And regarding your question about the night Officer Collier was killed: I would refer you to the Middlesex DA’s office. As with all homicide investigations in Cambridge, that office is heading up the investigation. Like you, we at MIT seek answers to what happened on that night. Those answers will come once the DA’s office has filed charges.

The Middlesex County DA’s office told me they couldn’t talk because….it’s an “ongoing investigation.”

The truth is, in these kinds of situations, the investigators, AKA the prosecution, has an agenda—to get a conviction—and holds just about all the cards.

We don’t know whether the Tsarnaev brothers did kill Collier, although it would be easy to assume they did. Still, we have trouble coming up with an easy motive or a logical reason for them to have been at that place at that time. We wonder about the lack of candor in this matter. As to whether there is another explanation, the reality is that there may always be others who benefit from chaos and fear.

In any case, if the deaths of people like Sean Collier—or the bombing victims–are truly not to be in vain, it will be because open-minded people work to get to the bottom of things, not because those with an agenda exploit their deaths—or countenance a possible cover-up of the facts of the case. A clear investigative role exists outside of law enforcement. We’ll do what we can, and we welcome informed tips and insights.
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In addition, his behavior leading up to that point according to friends & peers, the tweets, all the normal things etc. don't seem consistent with someone who would do such a thing. I'm not saying I know for sure he's innocent, just saying his behavior doesn't seem consistent (in comparison to people like James Holmes, Timothy McKvay, etc)..


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/04/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-twitter-tweets-boston-suspect.html



Classmates: Bombing suspect was pot-smoking party boy
Students at the UMass dorm where one of the Boston Marathon bombers lived say he was not a frightening figure at all - in fact, he liked to party with them

DARTMOUTH, Mass. -- Friends and classmates of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev can't grasp how the pot-smoking, party boy they knew is the same young man now accused of carrying out a terrorist attack.

Tsarnaev was funny, sarcastic, liked to party and frequently reeked of marijuana, said students in a sophomore residence at the University of Massachusetts-Dartmouth where the alleged bomber lived.

Several students on Tuesday described a shared shock and disbelief as classmates discovered that Tsarnaev faces federal charges of using and conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction.

"It's like finding out your best friend is a serial killer," said Jennifer Mendez, who met Tsarnaev last year in their freshmen dorm. "He was really social and hilarious. He was one of those people who would crack one joke and make your night."

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, and his brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, carried out two explosions that rocked the Boston Marathon on April 15, federal officials say. The bombs left three people dead and more than 260 others injured.

Last Thursday, the two allegedly gunned down Massachusetts Institute of Technology police officer Sean Collier as they were being sought by authorities. The older brother was killed in a confrontation with police early Friday morning. The younger Tsarnaev brother now faces criminal charges that carry a possible death sentence.

Mendez, 20, grew close with Dzhokar Tsarnaev. Both moved into Pine Dale Hall to start their sophomore year.

On Sunday, the FBI searched Tsarnaev's dorm room in that building and seized BBs, a large pyrotechnic, and "a black jacket and a white hat of the same general appearance as those worn by Bomber Two at the Boston marathon on April 15," according to the criminal complaint filed against Tsarnaev.

Mendez can't imagine the motives behind Tsarnaev's alleged actions. Like many in Pine Dale Hall, she didn't connect the blurry picture of Suspect Two to their classmate.

In the years she knew him, Mendez said Tsarnaev just enjoyed playing soccer, talked about his years wrestling and mulled over the demands of college life: professors, classes, and homework. Partying and drinking filled their days, she said, and Tsarnaev did not show signs he was becoming radical or changing in any way.

Her best memories are of the two sitting outside Maple Ridge Hall, the freshman dorm they shared, talking about school and the excitement of being in college.

Mendez, a biology and chemistry double major, last partied with Tsarnaev last semester. The demands of her studies slowed her partying down this semester, but Tsarnaev seemed normal when she sat in politics class with him or when she passed him on the way to his third-floor dorm.

Tsarnaev shared that third-floor dorm room with another student, said Patrick Yaghoobian, 20, who lived next -door to the pair all school year.

"He smoked a lot of pot," he said of Tsarnaev on Tuesday afternoon. "He smelled like it every day."

A strong smell of marijuana emanated from the room throughout the school year while Tsarnaev, himself, reeked of the drug, Yaghoobian said. The smell was absent last Monday when the bombing took place.

He said Tsarnaev was a quiet kid who walked around with the same blank, emotionless expression seen in many of the photos released by the FBI.

The Millbury, Mass., native added that there were no signs of radicalism: "I've looked into his room a few times, and there was nothing religious or nothing that screamed out he was Muslim."
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I found the younger brother's twitter on Reddit.. https://twitter.com/j_tsar

He's tweeting about being the best at beer pong, smoking weed, game of thrones, partying and etc. Normal teen things than does a complete 180? The officials claim he was a Muslim extremist when it's strictly prohibited in the Koran to drink alcohol.
And what does someone's social media status honestly prove. If this guy robbed a bank are his lawyers going to use his twitter posts as evidence of his character?
Try Google. They also claimed that they shot the Watertown officer, and it was later discovered that it was friendly fire.
I have only found one article that claims that Donahue was shot by the Tsarnaev brothers

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/04/boston-shooting-victims-were-friends.html

The headline reads: "Boston Police Officers Shot by the Tsarnaev Brothers Were Classmates". But the article is quoted as saying "after 26-year-old MIT campus police officer Sean Collier was found shot to death in his vehicle. The ensuing gunfight in Watertown that killed his older brother and accomplice, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, also left 33-year-old MBTA officer Richard Donohue in critical condition:. Which most certainly could have been an error. As far as we know, Collier was shot by Tamerlan, and in all likelihood somebody got confused and presumed that both officers were shot by Tamerlan. And remember this was a shootout and investigations as to who shot what and whom can take a while to determine if they can be determined at all.
I can point to major errors in reporting by the conspiracy media like claiming that the FBI agents involved in the capture of Dzhokar Tsarnaev were killed. But the difference is that nobody ever goes back and corrects these mistakes so their readers don't stop believin'!

BTW I'm still trying to find the book.
 
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And what does someone's social media status honestly prove. If this guy robbed a bank are his lawyers going to use his twitter posts as evidence of his character?

I have only found one article that claims that Donahue was shot by the Tsarnaev brothers

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/04/boston-shooting-victims-were-friends.html
Read my previous post; I never said anything of such would absolve him from guilt. It was just to demonstrate that his behavior was not consistent with serial killers who we've been exposed to such as Holmes, Lanza & McKvay -- he didn't fit into that role. He was your normal everyday teen.
The headline reads: "Boston Police Officers Shot by the Tsarnaev Brothers Were Classmates". But the article is quoted as saying "after 26-year-old MIT campus police officer Sean Collier was found shot to death in his vehicle. The ensuing gunfight in Watertown that killed his older brother and accomplice, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, also left 33-year-old MBTA officer Richard Donohue in critical condition:. Which most certainly could have been an error. As far as we know, Collier was shot by Tamerlan, and in all likelihood somebody got confused and presumed that both officers were shot by Tamerlan. And remember this was a shootout and investigations as to who shot what and whom can take a while to determine if they can be determined at all.
I can point to major errors in reporting by the conspiracy media like claiming that the FBI agents involved in the capture of Dzhokar Tsarnaev were killed. But the difference is that nobody ever goes back and corrects these mistakes so their readers don't stop believin'!

BTW I'm still trying to find the book.
Because they were corrected/removed after the mistake was discovered. As far as the book, it was was on Barnes & Noble website. It's been taken down since.

Here's a cache version:
http://web.archive.org/web/20130530...amerlan-tsarnaev/1115405634?ean=2940016219080

Ok so you are probably asking yourself what... the... fuck... is... this... was this really written by Tamerlan a month before the attacks occurred?

The answer is no it wasn't. Let me explain...

The book was originally called "Rape Train: How We Drove Sissy Gatlin Insane" written by a man named Daniel Marion Mitchell Jr (Daniel M Mitchell) and uploaded to Barns & Nobel as an ebook on March 21, 2013 (it was also added to Amazon).

A man by the name of Daniel Mario Mitchell (who's full name only has a 1 letter difference (middle name doesn't have an N)) is the writer of a book called "The Lords of 2112: The Poignantly Vulgar & Vulgarly Poignant Chronicle of America's Future" (you can look more into that one yourself) then went to Barns & Noble after the bombing took place and edited this Barns & Noble listing (a few days ago), changing the book title from "Rape Train: How We Drove Sissy Gatlin Insane" to Rape Train: Trolley Rullin' Fools into Suicide, changed the author from Daniel Marion Mitchell Jr to Tamerlan Tsarnaev & updated the ebook itself with a new different version of the book which speaks a lot of extremist (and very cryptic) bullshit to help sell the idea that Tamerlan was a real threat and him & his brother have to be guilty. Daniel Mario Mitchell was likely able to gain access to this other authors account to overwrite the original book due to him having an extremely similar name (which he could initially state was a typo and get it changed to match his name exactly allowing him to then make further edits).

Since then Daniel MARIO Mitchell has been doing everything he can to remove the original book from all other sources (and is able to do this by sharing a name with the real author), which appears to be working pretty well for him since currently all the amazon links for the old book title are now blank pages.

He did however forget to factor something important... the Google delay (so you better look quick before this get cleaned up). Basically if you go to Google and type the original book title "Rape Train: How We Drove Sissy Gatlin Insane" you will notice the 2nd result is a bit odd.

It's the title of the old book, but with Tamerlans name attached to it. Basically he did the edit in 4 steps.
  1. He first request an author change (again he was able to do this by sharing a name with the real author).
  2. Once that was done he then uploaded a new version of the book (this one written by him) to overwrite the original.
  3. He then updated the Overview to match his new co-opted version of the book. (THIS IS WHERE GOOGLE IS AT IN ITS INDEXING PROCESS (the updated overview was enough content change for google to do a content update)... IT HASN'T UPDATDED ITS RESULTS FOR #4 YET (the actual title change which was done last))
  4. He then changed the title from "Rape Train: How We Drove Sissy Gatlin Insane" to "Rape Train: Trolley Rullin' Fools into Suicide" (GOOGLE HAS YET TO SYNC UP WITH THIS CHANGE)
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AluminumTheory

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Read my previous post; I never said anything of such would absolve him from guilt. It was just to demonstrate that his behavior was not consistent with serial killers such as Holmes, Lanza & McKvay -- he didn't fit into that role. He was your normal everyday teen.

Because they were corrected/removed after the mistake was discovered. As far as the book, it was was on Barnes & Noble website. It's been taken down since.

Here's a cache version:
http://web.archive.org/web/20130530...amerlan-tsarnaev/1115405634?ean=2940016219080

Ok so you are probably asking yourself what... the... fuck... is... this... was this really written by Tamerlan a month before the attacks occurred?

The answer is no it wasn't. Let me explain...

The book was originally called "Rape Train: How We Drove Sissy Gatlin Insane" written by a man named Daniel Marion Mitchell Jr (Daniel M Mitchell) and uploaded to Barns & Nobel as an ebook on March 21, 2013 (it was also added to Amazon).

A man by the name of Daniel Mario Mitchell (who's full name only has a 1 letter difference (middle name doesn't have an N)) is the writer of a book called "The Lords of 2112: The Poignantly Vulgar & Vulgarly Poignant Chronicle of America's Future" (you can look more into that one yourself) then went to Barns & Noble after the bombing took place and edited this Barns & Noble listing (a few days ago), changing the book title from "Rape Train: How We Drove Sissy Gatlin Insane" to Rape Train: Trolley Rullin' Fools into Suicide, changed the author from Daniel Marion Mitchell Jr to Tamerlan Tsarnaev & updated the ebook itself with a new different version of the book which speaks a lot of extremist (and very cryptic) bullshit to help sell the idea that Tamerlan was a real threat and him & his brother have to be guilty. Daniel Mario Mitchell was likely able to gain access to this other authors account to overwrite the original book due to him having an extremely similar name (which he could initially state was a typo and get it changed to match his name exactly allowing him to then make further edits).

Since then Daniel MARIO Mitchell has been doing everything he can to remove the original book from all other sources (and is able to do this by sharing a name with the real author), which appears to be working pretty well for him since currently all the amazon links for the old book title are now blank pages.

He did however forget to factor something important... the Google delay (so you better look quick before this get cleaned up). Basically if you go to Google and type the original book title "Rape Train: How We Drove Sissy Gatlin Insane" you will notice the 2nd result is a bit odd.

It's the title of the old book, but with Tamerlans name attached to it. Basically he did the edit in 4 steps.
  1. He first request an author change (again he was able to do this by sharing a name with the real author).
  2. Once that was done he then uploaded a new version of the book (this one written by him) to overwrite the original.
  3. He then updated the Overview to match his new co-opted version of the book. (THIS IS WHERE GOOGLE IS AT IN ITS INDEXING PROCESS (the updated overview was enough content change for google to do a content update)... IT HASN'T UPDATDED ITS RESULTS FOR #4 YET (the actual title change which was done last))
  4. He then changed the title from "Rape Train: How We Drove Sissy Gatlin Insane" to "Rape Train: Trolley Rullin' Fools into Suicide" (GOOGLE HAS YET TO SYNC UP WITH THIS CHANGE)
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Since it's so easy to change author's name, don't you think it is more likely that Mitchell just changed the author's name in hopes that a news outlet would pick up on it and drum up massive sales from people who think that Tameralan wrote the book?

I did a little digging and it appears that this guy also tried to do the same using Adam Lanza's name to sell his work.

 

AluminumTheory

Senior Member.
Read my previous post; I never said anything of such would absolve him from guilt. It was just to demonstrate that his behavior was not consistent with serial killers who we've been exposed to such as Holmes, Lanza & McKvay -- he didn't fit into that role. He was your normal everyday teen.

The Boston Bombers, nor any of those people would be defined as serial killers. What would you honestly expect to see on Dzhokar's twitter? Would you expect that he would make his true feelings and intentions more obvious on a social network? Just because his actions didn't meet your expectations doesn't prove anything.
 

Alchemist

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The Boston Bombers, nor any of those people would be defined as serial killers. What would you honestly expect to see on Dzhokar's twitter? Would you expect that he would make his true feelings and intentions more obvious on a social network? Just because his actions didn't meet your expectations doesn't prove anything.
Read my previous post; I never said anything of such would absolve him from guilt. It was just to demonstrate that his behavior was not consistent with serial killers who we've been exposed to such as Holmes, Lanza & McKvay -- he didn't fit into that role. He was your normal everyday teen.
 

Boston

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Seems like conditioning to equate any form of questioning/skepticism outside of the status quo with terrorism.

Yah I kinda thought that as well as I was reading along. The art of propaganda is alive and well, was the first thought that crossed my mind.
 

moderateGOP

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CT's aren't solely left or right wing. They are fringe elements of both liberal and conservative thought. Namely a lot of the terrorists and mass murderers smoke weed. Some are anti-Israel. Some are racists, some are libertarians. Due to the fact that this guy was looking a "Alternative media." In a way to escape the mainstream, as most terrorists do, I don't think he would label himself right or left wing. I bet he would like most libertarian candidates and hate any "establishment" guy, or traditional western views of the world. That's not any type of liberal or conservative I know...
 

jvnk08

Senior Member.
Now that we're months later from the event, it's even more pertinent to ask - what exactly did the government gain by this oh-so-obvious false flag? Conditioning the public in preparation of martial law, right? Right guys?

I'm curious as to what exactly you think "the government"(since we can legitimately refer to that massive organization collectively when discussing this subject) was thinking as they watched the public sheepishly consume their carefully designed hoax?

The attack and ensuing manhunt worked exactly as planned! Now, the public will have no issue with police riding down their neighborhood street in heavily armed convoys. Thanks to Boston, the meek American public will now go like sheep to the slaughter once we start rounding them up!

That's the line of thinking we're pursuing here, correct? Just want to be sure that we're consciously ignoring the fact that the police and national guard *could* be doing such a thing, without priming the public with such a contrived media stunt - if there was in fact a desire to round us all up(or whatever nefarious endgame plot you think the government is up to). Nah, artificially constructing a rather minor terrorist attack seems more logical. Get a grip.

Alchemist said:
Seems like conditioning to equate any form of questioning/skepticism outside of the status quo with terrorism.

You're equating the passive consumption of the wingnut, faux-skeptic portion of the alternative media industry(InfoWars et. al) with scientifically rigorous skepticism.
 
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Boston

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Same old mantra regurgitated again... "Do they need to provide YOU or anyone else with evidence"... 'Why should YOU be given anything at all'... be it proof of wmd's, documents, data for sims of buildings collapsing, aircraft black boxes, anything at all really... well of course not why would sheep want evidence?

I'm a big fan of this type of reasoning. There is exactly no other reason why information is withheld other than that its not conducive to the spin. If its harmful to the propaganda machines diatribe, then you can bet it will be classified as a national security issue and withheld from the public.

I believe George Carlin said it best, "its a club, and you aint in it"

Some people do wonder, I don't know how they dare?... why the fbi are so insistent on the bombs being in black backpacks when Dzhokar's was clearly white.

7. The IEDs that exploded at the Marathon were
constructed from pressure cookers, low explosive powder,
shrapnel, adhesive, and other materials. They were concealed
inside black backpacks.
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Also the picture which 'was released to the press' to claim 'shows him with no backpack after the blasts', is speculative at best. Just because it cannot be clearly seen at that angle doesn't mean it wasn't there.

I can only speculate that both backpack bombs were black... as per the quote... so how did he manage that, if that is indeed the case?

I'm not taking any sides on this one, I don't think I have enough information to really form an opinion on it. Or it could also be said we've not been given enough information to be able to form our own opinions on it. But either way the idea that the people are not somehow deserving of the individual respect sufficient to answer those questions, is absolutely appalling. To me its a sure sign of the propaganda machine hard at work.

The corporate oligarchy and its propaganda machine would be a great topic of conversation tho. Might have to start a thread on that one when I get back from dinner.
 

Oxymoron

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Backpack discussion moved to:

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/the-wrong-colored-backpack.1574/

Again, folks. Stay on topic. This thread is only to discuss Tsarnaev's possible interest in conspiracy culture, not about the backpack.
Well I don't mean to be picky but can you move the rest over as well as it makes it disjointed otherwise? Thanks.

Preferably from https://www.metabunk.org/threads/tamerlan-tsarnaev-dabbled-in-conspiracy-culture.2146/#post-60369 on.
 
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