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Jay Reynolds

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here is the result of his first pilot interview:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/sy...-chemtrails-ongoing-report-/10151216579337148

This document contains his top ten/eleven evidence for chemtrails:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PLB1lLF5KoWqzTs2Milfmi_KhorkakS7oRz4ssdBu8c/edit

He is meeting with the pilot again and is asking for submision of questions.
Most of the questions asked so far have been poorly thought out, IMHO.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/sylv...pilot-to-discuss-chemtrails/10151244184877148

Henry claims to have a degree in biochemistry.

Sylvain had a revealing interview in 2010 by a skeptical Ottawa physics professor named Denis Rancourt:
http://trainradio.blogspot.com/2010/09/some-truth-about-chemtrails.html
At this point, Sylvain was a beginner, and Rancourt let him have his say in a very unbiased manner.

He was also interviewed a few months later along with Michael J. Murphy:
http://trainradio.blogspot.com/2010/12/chemtrails-geoengineering-and-climate.html
In the interview, Rancourt informed Murphy and Henry in no uncertain terms that they were wrong in many of their claims.
Rancourt woud not allow Murphy to filibuster, kept insisting on evidence, and pointed out the weaknesses in WITWATS.
It was an experience that Murphy won't repeat if he can ever help it. Very revealing. Murphy lost it completely.

So to me, Henry appears to be genuine and not out to make money or simply driven by ego. He is, however, able to internally deflect criticisms which conflict with his belief system and filter out contradictory evidence. He has been told about some of the defects in the chemtrails claims, yet nevertheless continues to restate them as you can see from his top ten.
 

HappyMonday

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I saw his report of the first interview,and thought it smacked of selectiveness and evasion.Also noted the prominent chemtrail names commenting in the post,which suggests he's in deep.

I did congratulate him however,for being sane enough about the subject to secure a second discussion with the pilot.
 

Mick West

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This document contains his top ten/eleven evidence for chemtrails:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PLB1lLF5KoWqzTs2Milfmi_KhorkakS7oRz4ssdBu8c/edit

That was an editable document (he was asking people to collaborate), so I (and others) helpful edited a few errors out, particularly in the following section section, hoping to prompt some discussion:

Some of the changes (which have been there for months) in bold

Top 11 Evidence:

  1. Old weather books that discuss how normal contrails always quickly fade away.
  2. On and off pattern when humidity is constant across the sky.
  3. Chemtrails become cirrus clouds, do contrails?
  4. Only some planes spray trails, most don’t, except for some days.
  5. Geoengineering is being conducted, promoted, paid for and made legal.
  6. Chemtrails in the middle of the night when fewer commercial planes fly.
  7. Some planes have only 2 engines and yet 3 or 4 chemtrail lines appear, not APU or galley drain mast.
  8. For safety reasons, is (commercial, military, private) air traffic normally diverted away from the air space over densely populated areas? If so, what about the planes that fly directly over our major cities? WC
  9. Aluminum oxide in water and soil samples compared with historic samples.
  10. Chemtrail lines were not always observed 20 years ago.
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Unfortunately he never noticed the additions. Particularly #1, which of course would be a huge smoking gun, and of course does not actually exist, as the old weather books say the same thing as the new weather books about the persistence of contrails and clouds.

He's articulate, but like you say, not really open to conflicting evidence. Maybe the fact that he missed the above might give him pause.
 

George B

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That was an editable document (he was asking people to collaborate), so I (and others) helpful edited a few errors out, particularly in the following section section, hoping to prompt some discussion:

Some of the changes (which have been there for months) in bold

Top 11 Evidence:

  1. Old weather books that discuss how normal contrails always quickly fade away.
  2. On and off pattern when humidity is constant across the sky.
  3. Chemtrails become cirrus clouds, do contrails?
  4. Only some planes spray trails, most don’t, except for some days.
  5. Geoengineering is being conducted, promoted, paid for and made legal.
  6. Chemtrails in the middle of the night when fewer commercial planes fly.
  7. Some planes have only 2 engines and yet 3 or 4 chemtrail lines appear, not APU or galley drain mast.
  8. For safety reasons, is (commercial, military, private) air traffic normally diverted away from the air space over densely populated areas? If so, what about the planes that fly directly over our major cities? WC
  9. Aluminum oxide in water and soil samples compared with historic samples.
  10. Chemtrail lines were not always observed 20 years ago.
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Unfortunately he never noticed the additions. Particularly #1, which of course would be a huge smoking gun, and of course does not actually exist, as the old weather books say the same thing as the new weather books about the persistence of contrails and clouds.

He's articulate, but like you say, not really open to conflicting evidence. Maybe the fact that he missed the above might give him pause.
Hmmmm . . . anyone relying upon environmental testing or visual evidence is wasting their time . . . Too many alternate explanations are available to challenge such claims . . .
 

Mick West

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Hmmmm . . . anyone relying upon environmental testing or visual evidence is wasting their time . . . Too many alternate explanations are available to challenge such claims . . .

True, but one should at least establish a baseline based on expected historic values if one is going to go down that path.
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
Visual documentation of planes using high resolution photography could clear up over 90% of all chemtrail claims. Doing so would enable the data to debunk the claims about non-persistance, start/stop, and even atmospheric soundings. Few chemmies are technically inclined or dedicated enough to get off their asses to do that. If they do the reasonable slink away embarrassed and intimidated to tell their folk.
 

HappyMonday

Moderator
He was also interviewed a few months later along with Michael J. Murphy:
http://trainradio.blogspot.com/2010/12/chemtrails-geoengineering-and-climate.html
In the interview, Rancourt informed Murphy and Henry in no uncertain terms that they were wrong in many of their claims.
Rancourt woud not allow Murphy to filibuster, kept insisting on evidence, and pointed out the weaknesses in WITWATS.
It was an experience that Murphy won't repeat if he can ever help it. Very revealing. Murphy lost it completely.

This interview is hilarious. Makes my enforced-by-repeated-spam-reporting sabbatical from the #chemtrail tag on Twitter much easier to bear.
 

Mick West

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Mick West

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It's a bit odd as clearly "John Whitelines" is no chemtrail believer. And it's not as if pilots have refused to talk to chemtrail advocated before. There are several pilots who have posted here and on ContrailScience, who have been more than willing to answer questions. The problem is getting people to believe what the pilots say.

Still, I'm glad Henry is doing this. He's pretty smart, and might eventually figure out he's been mislead if he keeps digging with an open mind.
 

Belfrey

Senior Member.
Looking at the questions being posed, it seems that (as is the case with the David Keith meeting w/ activists) most of them assume that chemtrails are real and that the pilot knows about them. Very few are posed from the standpoint of asking whether they are real - that is treated as a given. So, they have a "wife beating question" quality to them. For example:

Question 1: Why do they focus on some areas of the country more than others, Iowa gets bombarded with chemtrails on a regular basis, but california has just light trails comparatively

Question 2: Who is governing the operation of where to spray? (this must be run by something like NATO). 2b. Are these naval pilots flying these craft, or is it private companies such as evergreen? Or is it in fact Passenger airplanes equipped with sprayers?

Question 3: Are there any flight limit restrictions that you can tell us about, that seem suspicious in keeping passenger airlines from the paths of the chemtrail airplanes? Flight heights restrictions, any instructions that threaten your license if you talk about, something like that?
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HappyMonday

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Looking at the questions being posed, it seems that (as is the case with the David Keith meeting w/ activists) most of them assume that chemtrails are real and that the pilot knows about them. Very few are posed from the standpoint of asking whether they are real - that is treated as a given. So, they have a "wife beating question" quality to them. For example:

Question 1: Why do they focus on some areas of the country more than others, Iowa gets bombarded with chemtrails on a regular basis, but california has just light trails comparatively

Question 2: Who is governing the operation of where to spray? (this must be run by something like NATO). 2b. Are these naval pilots flying these craft, or is it private companies such as evergreen? Or is it in fact Passenger airplanes equipped with sprayers?

Question 3: Are there any flight limit restrictions that you can tell us about, that seem suspicious in keeping passenger airlines from the paths of the chemtrail airplanes? Flight heights restrictions, any instructions that threaten your license if you talk about, something like that?
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The comments I referenced doubting this chap due his contrailscience.com link earlier today have been deleted. Shame I can't screenshot on my phone.

I interpreted one or two of Sylvain's responses to these as fairly hostile myself, almost as though he felt the pilot should be pressed to admit what he knew.
 

Mick West

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Looks like they started:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/projectlightsout

Sample of the comment stream, not getting a very positive response.


10:46 ustreamer-552277: WHAT?! Credentials is not relevant
10:46 ustreamer-552277: are they idiots in this rrom?
10:46 ustreamer-936839: Links do NOT appear.
10:47 ustreamer-936839: Yes.
10:47 ustreamer-800244: 100% ~NOT~ relevant
10:47 ustreamer-552277: then make it with xxx(dot)com
10:47 ustreamer-307217: DISINFORMATION AGENT!
10:47 ustreamer-124382: It is not allowed to post links on ustream chat posts.
10:47 ustreamer-406628: stop blocking the sun, do you know you are doing this?
10:47 ustreamer-800244: a pilot can be agent as well as a non-pilot
10:47 ustreamer-406628: do you know you are blocking the sun?
10:47 ustreamer-936839: No real discussion.
10:47 ustreamer-720599: There is plenty of information on government licensing of weather modification companies.
10:47 ustreamer-947276: does sylvain believe the sky is being dimmed
10:47 ustreamer-936839: Too bad.
10:47 ustreamer-307217: INSURANCE MONSANTO UN AGENDA 21 BILLIONS $$$
10:47 ustreamer-426090: so, are all chem-trails cloud seeders, or are there other methods @ other altitudes using perhaps other chems? does this pilot know?
10:47 ustreamer-552277: xxxx(dot)com .. so make the link like that/./ come on, stop making excuses
10:47 ustreamer-406628: talk about blocking the sun
10:47 ustreamer-307217: MURDER!
10:47 ustreamer-947276: bill gates is involved with Calgary research
10:47 ustreamer-418252: to lower the world population you mean.
10:48 ustreamer-800244: Q: why do trail persist?
10:48 ustreamer-552277: so... who is this guy?
10:48 ustreamer-276759: YOU HAVE TO TYPE A LINK LIKE THIS....WWW(DOT)
10:48 ustreamer-936839: slow kill. It's their weapon of choice.
10:48 ustreamer-307217: <censored>
10:48 ustreamer-001065: Wouldn't metals absorb the sun's heat and actually heat the atmosphere instead of cool it with reflection?
10:48 ustreamer-124382: Contrails persist for the same reason clouds do. They are both water.
10:48 ustreamer-947276: good analogy
10:48 ustreamer-307217: CHEMTRAILS ARE NOT WATER
10:48 ustreamer-817356: this is crazy......i thought we were going to talk to the pilot!
10:49 ustreamer-898936: The toxic waste removal point is pretty darn good.. same deal with Fluroide and how the Fertilizer industry makes money having towns put their toxic waste in the water for us to consume!
10:49 ustreamer-947276: man used technology to damage earth and will now use technology to fix earth, what arrogance
10:49 ustreamer-936839: "The pilot" is an idiot.
10:49 ustreamer-833466: yep
10:49 ustreamer-947276: okay, let us get off topic of commercial airliners
10:50 ustreamer-552277: Sylvain Henry, you are going to lose credability with this eledged Pilot!
10:50 ustreamer-947276: lets talk of whether there are trails being laid intentionally
10:50 ustreamer-800244: the theory is NOT abot bigger <censored> tanks sequestered within the fuel tanks
10:50 ustreamer-307217: SO THEY ARE ALL AWARE
10:50 ustreamer-833466: good show - bad pilot
10:50 ustreamer-817356: then who is the guy smoking and drinking on the scrren???
10:50 ustreamer-307217: GENOCIDE = TREASON
10:50 ustreamer-406628: the sun is being blocked
10:50 ustreamer-552277: LOL... this guy is a JOKE
10:51 ustreamer-800244: EZ to lie about the weight...100 lbs of water (that's really not water)
10:51 ustreamer-276759: Mebbe we need a retired pilot.......
10:51 ustreamer-307217: WE ARE BEING POISONED INSURED BY MONSANTO & THE 1%
10:51 ustreamer-800244: the tanks are withing the fuel tanks
10:51 ustreamer-947276: Does Sylvain believe that trails are being laid intentionally
10:51 ustreamer-552277: COME ON... Gravity... o man.. MORON!
10:51 ustreamer-947276: let us not talk about commercial airliners anymore
10:51 ustreamer-307217: DISINFORMATION AGENT
10:51 ustreamer-552277: WAIST OF TIME SO CALLED PILOT
10:51 ustreamer-947276: Has Sylvain seen anything to indicate trails being laid intentionally
10:51 ustreamer-307217: DO YOU LOOK UP?????
10:52 ustreamer-552277: this guy must be a MASON!
10:52 ustreamer-947276: no more commercial airliner talk
10:52 ustreamer-800244: why do trails persist where high leen CON trails do not???
10:52 ustreamer-800244: leen = level
10:52 ustreamer-947276: does Sylvain believe trails are being laid intentionally
10:52 ustreamer-406628: explain this <censored>
10:52 ustreamer-552277: why don't you cut this so called PILOT off!
10:52 ustreamer-307217: CHEMTRAILS = TREASON <censored>
10:52 ustreamer-124382: commercial airliners make contrails that persist and are ordinary contrails.
10:52 ustreamer-817356: i am out of here this is ridiculous!!!
10:52 ustreamer-307217: SHEEP
10:52 ustreamer-552277: Sylvain Henry is NOW questionable!
10:53 ustreamer-564115: Yes. Airlines are so strict that terrorists always get on their flights.
10:53 ustreamer-406628: <censored>
10:53 ustreamer-001065: There is no way that a few tanks would have a significant enough impact on the weight of the aircraft in the load calculation. This could easily be carried.

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Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
I listened for about 1-1/2 hours and had to go mow grass. During the chat I was able to make some brief 1-2 line comments. There were other skeptical people doing the same, but a large crowd of true believers without a clue, and many hecklers of the pilt like you see in Mick's chat post above.

The Canadian pilot did a good job, but when asked about aluminum he pointed towards emissions from China, so he hasn't been through what we have found here, even if he has been to contrailscience.com.

Russ Tanner and some other guy dominated much of the other audible conversation. Russ made himself look foolish by his claims to smell "chemtrails" within 20 minutes of seeing them. It didn't faze Russ one bit when the pilot pointed out how Russ had first claimed they hung around in the sky for hours but at the same time he claimed they dropped like a rock. Tanner also claimed that there was no air traffic over Maine or New York, and that most people will never see a real contrail in their whole lives, he also said that he had watched the skies all his life and had never seen one before chemtrails. He believes that even non-persistent contrails are evidence of chemtrails, and that only the small aerodynamic contrails from wings on landing are real contrails. Those claims sort of flabbergasted the pilot, how do you answer such nonsense? He tried to be polite when he made that point.

In his introduction, the pilot mentioned that one of his reasons for speaking was because of the threats against aircraft. He is worried.

The conversation is available here:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/27272532
 

Mick West

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Here's last few hours of the chat log. Quite a remarkable exercise in Group Gish Galloping

called PILOT is spreading diss Information... and Sylvain Henry from Ottawa says that he is trait up.. hmmm11:45 ustreamer-406628: put tin foil over your windows - says chiel of polce secretray - Belinda - of Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
11:45 ustreamer-124382: Someone stop Russ. To claim that no contrails exist, ever, is very bad for the movement.
11:45 ustreamer-598614: in morgellons patients they have found the same stuff that transhumans suggest to do for upgrades This is being dispersed from chemtrails
11:45 ustreamer-552277: Amein, Brother!
11:45 ustreamer-087023: <--am a scientist
11:45 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
11:45 ustreamer-598614: in morgellons patients they have found the same stuff that transhumans suggest to do for upgrades This is being dispersed from chemtrails
11:46 cusilton: smart dust
11:46 ustreamer-598614: love you all no trolls here??
11:46 ustreamer-598614: we will win
11:46 ustreamer-087023: science? for profit? ya don't say
11:46 ustreamer-087023: tell me it's not so - lol
11:46 ustreamer-406628: pilotless planes
11:46 ustreamer-598614: we are winning even soccer moms understand chemtrails in austin tx winnnnning
11:46 ustreamer-087023: cost/risk/benefit analysis
11:47 ustreamer-406628: how do we get a chemtrail plane to be brought down safely for public inspection
11:47 ustreamer-598614: group prayer/
11:47 ustreamer-087023: Russ is right - I have seen the contraxcts saying "find what we want you to find, or you don't get paid"
11:47 ustreamer-001065: Go soccer moms!!! Hope they demand answers from the government...
11:47 ustreamer-087023: Wolf guarding the chicken coop
11:47 ustreamer-598614: they are waking up I have talked to hundreds of people Its great
11:47 projectlightsout: We should ask for a pilot strike and push the governments to answer
11:48 ustreamer-087023: russ is right
11:48 ustreamer-406628: that is why airports are so secure, to protect what is going on
11:48 ustreamer-087023: nutrasweet shold NEVER have been allowed
11:48 cusilton: Yeah, well remember what happened with the last pilot strike
11:48 ustreamer-598614: people love their aspartame See them buying it everyday
11:49 ustreamer-598614: hey doc is it addictive ?
11:49 ustreamer-947276: poor pilot, this is way beyond his field
11:49 ustreamer-564115: Sweet! Thank you Russ!
11:49 ustreamer-598614: Is the pilot on the left?
11:49 ustreamer-087023: it's like the radiation from fukushima...it has not been detected (because the detectors are turned off)
11:49 ustreamer-087023: "none detected"
11:49 ustreamer-947276: good point Russ
11:50 ustreamer-001065: We need sufficient numbers of people that are aware in order to get the governments to feel enough pressure to provide answers...keep spreading the info..
11:50 ustreamer-598614: Who is the gentleman on the left?
11:50 ustreamer-781517: Check out this chemtrail facility NE of pheonix, az http://theintelhub.com/special-reports/chemtrail-facility-exposed/
11:50 projectlightsout: On the left? It´s me, Hans from P.L.O. :)
11:50 ustreamer-384046: smoker
11:51 ustreamer-598614: Pray for ths man please
11:51 projectlightsout: hahaha, yeah, I smooooooooooke to much :)
11:51 ustreamer-177818: I used to smoke - so?
11:51 ustreamer-552277: https://www.facebook.com/john.whitelines
11:51 ustreamer-134133: :))))
11:51 ustreamer-177818: <--dr scientis here - different 'puter
11:51 ustreamer-552277: only been active since the 19th.. hmmm
11:51 ustreamer-177818: pilot is ignorant and was a good straw man
11:52 herpigg: Thank you HANS! :)
11:52 ustreamer-552277: I call John WhiteLines a SHILL!!!!!!!!!
11:52 projectlightsout: Most welcome :) Trying to do my best :)
11:52 ustreamer-406628: ty Hans
11:52 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
11:52 ustreamer-552277: ar ethey here to GATHER NAMES?!
11:52 ustreamer-781517: Dear Project Lights out, Can you facilitate Anthony J Hilder from aircrap.org
11:52 ustreamer-134133: TY Hans :)
11:52 ustreamer-434722: CERTAINLY
11:52 ustreamer-564115: I didn't expect anything here but the hopeful enlightenment of this poor being (Mr. Pilot). Either he's going to evolve or not. Let's hope he will.
11:53 projectlightsout: I will try to see if Anthony is available. Give me a second...
11:53 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
11:53 ustreamer-598614: who is talking ?
11:53 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
11:53 ustreamer-598614: who is on the left?
11:53 ustreamer-434722: BLUE SKY HAS DESK NET TO JANIT
11:53 projectlightsout: Now the pilot is talking
11:53 ustreamer-598614: oh he is disinfo
11:53 ustreamer-598614: a liar
11:53 ustreamer-552277: thanks, I can hear the LIES NOW
11:53 ustreamer-434722: JUST LISTEN
11:53 ustreamer-384046: greatings from Serbia
11:54 projectlightsout: Anthony Hilder is not online yet. Anyway, when the pilot leaves, I will continue
11:54 ustreamer-598614: hey dude we know your lying
11:54 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
11:54 ustreamer-598614: you sound like a salesman
11:54 ustreamer-781517: Thank you sir
11:54 ustreamer-947276: he is right about breathing in cold air
11:54 ustreamer-947276: and creaking houses
11:54 ustreamer-598614: trust me my moms a realator
11:54 ustreamer-598614: lol
11:54 ustreamer-552277: LIE LIE LIE LIE.. and if Sylvain Henry voiches for him... then he is a SHILL!!!!!!!!
11:54 ustreamer-564115: If that is true, Mr. Pilot, why doesn't every single plane out there doesn't leave contrails?
11:54 ustreamer-598614: cant co opt this movement
11:54 ustreamer-687250: what about other pilots that have recorded spraying up nice and close...
11:54 ustreamer-434722: OH COME ON!!!
11:55 ustreamer-598614: this is the creme of the "conspiracy theorist"
11:55 ustreamer-552277: Sylvain Henry is a SHILL , Sylvain Henry is a SHILL , Sylvain Henry is a SHILL , Sylvain Henry is a SHILL , Sylvain Henry is a SHILL , Sylvain Henry is a SHILL , Sylvain Henry is a SHILL , Sylvain Hen
11:55 ustreamer-406628: ID markers can still be added on
11:55 ustreamer-134133: (Y)
11:55 ustreamer-687250: i think this guy is paid to talk <censored> for other side
11:55 ustreamer-564115: How do know for sure that there aren't any government projects? How high are you up the ladder?
11:55 ustreamer-651667: WHO CARES!!!!
11:55 ustreamer-406628: put ID markers on the underbelly
11:55 ustreamer-947276: he is right about the paint
11:55 ustreamer-947276: and the weight
11:55 ustreamer-326564: Money is not a problem for the BIG GANSTERS - they make them...
11:55 ustreamer-947276: 40 minutes
11:55 ustreamer-687250: why are trees dying...
11:56 ustreamer-687250: plant life
11:56 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
11:56 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
11:56 ustreamer-687250: bees
11:56 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
11:56 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
11:56 ustreamer-687250: birds
11:56 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
11:56 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
11:56 ustreamer-687250: none of it is normal
11:56 ustreamer-651667: This isn't solving anything
11:56 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
11:56 ustreamer-552277: Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
11:56 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
11:56 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
11:56 projectlightsout: I don´t know either who the pilot is. But it´s good to speak about all this and continue to look for the truth
11:56 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
11:56 ustreamer-598614: goodbye and good luck folks I thought this was a whistleblower not a lying fascist those that know the mod or sylvian henry or whatever wake up the rest I am a busy man THIS GUY IS PAID OPERATIVE PEAC
11:56 ustreamer-837066: blue sky must be a liberal , all he spues is rederick
11:56 projectlightsout: I want answers too
11:57 ustreamer-651667: He doesn't know whats going on
11:57 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
11:57 ustreamer-651667: Tell him to look up!!!
11:57 ustreamer-598614: BYE LIAR IM OUT PEACE
11:57 ustreamer-947276: does he believe that trails are laid intentionally or not
11:57 ustreamer-552277: your experties is LYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:57 ustreamer-651667: WHAT THE F#CK!!!!
11:57 ustreamer-651667: OMG!!!!! O====M=====G!!!!!
11:57 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
11:57 ustreamer-001065: We have great critical thinkers here!! Nice work!!! :-)
11:57 ustreamer-564115: maybe he hasn't flown enough
11:57 ustreamer-947276: he is saying what he has seen
11:57 ustreamer-837066: lyiar lair pants on fire , mr blue sky B S
11:57 ustreamer-552277: hety Blue Sky or John Whitelines... YOU ARE GOING TO BURN IN HELL!
11:58 ustreamer-947276: we have to accept what he says he has seen<
11:58 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
11:58 ustreamer-781517: since nov 18, 1997 public law 105-85 page 287 how long has this man been flying?
11:59 ustreamer-947276: that is right
11:59 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
11:59 ustreamer-947276: usually done already
11:59 ustreamer-552277: https://www.facebook.com/john.whitelines is this page.. and only been on since NOV 19... hmmm and Sylvain Henry voiched for him.. HIM... SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL SHI
11:59 ustreamer-304610: lance Armstrong said he never took drugs and made an oath for almost 12 years until he got caught, this also will be exposed and all the cover ups will be caught
11:59 ustreamer-001065: Also if the CFR indicates geoengineering then suspect something else...
12:00 ustreamer-947276: right you are 10
12:00 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
12:00 ustreamer-890348: So What are te crisscross lines we see in the sky, are these commecil jets doing acrobatic manoeuvres?
12:00 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
12:00 ustreamer-552277: oops... https://www.facebook.com/john.whitelines Joined facebook 19 hours ago!
12:01 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
12:01 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
12:01 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
12:01 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
12:01 trippled33: this whole world is rigged, con trails have been chem trails in all plains sense 1995, and from alot of the things i have seen and the things i tell people, they will catch me someday.
12:02 trippled33: prob with a 30 odd 8 bullet in my head on my way to work
12:02 ustreamer-552277: LOL!!!
12:02 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
12:02 ustreamer-552277: EXPOSED!!!
12:02 ustreamer-833466: YEAH!!
12:03 trippled33: HARRP and Chem trails are connected but dont take my word for it, research it
12:04 ustreamer-552277: so... all of you, ask why did Sylvain Henry Vouch for this so called pilot?
12:06 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
12:06 ustreamer-001065: Also, I suggest everyone research Targeted Individuals. They are having weapons used on them in their own homes!!
12:07 ustreamer-750356: That is true watch the interview with Ben Livingston the Father of weaponizzed weapons. He took out a bridge in Vietnam with rain through geo-engineering. (seeding the clouds)
12:07 projectlightsout: In some minutes I´ll try to bring Anthony Hilder in :)
12:07 ustreamer-998278: Project Cloverleaf — LOOK FOR THIS INFO ....
12:07 ustreamer-750356: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FICnTBApwr4 Ben Livingston Interview
12:07 ustreamer-947276: I think they help pull the weather along
12:07 trippled33: ok, i know some geo physics and i learned something new today, but u-001065, do you know how to type anything else?
12:08 ustreamer-947276: especially when the jet stream is weak
12:08 ustreamer-947276: yes they do
12:09 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
12:09 ustreamer-552277: SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL
12:09 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
12:09 ustreamer-947276: it is doing both
12:09 ustreamer-947276: differnt reasons why it is being done
12:09 ustreamer-304610: Its many planes
12:09 ustreamer-947276: no wonder it is easy to fool everyone
12:09 trippled33: i have a feeling there are some hiding trolls in this blog page
12:09 ustreamer-001065: Targeted Individuals are being mind controlled and tortured!! These people need everyone's help...
12:09 ustreamer-552277: what is your real name "Pilot" or are you hidding?!
12:10 projectlightsout: Soon I will continue also with more live-streams about MindControl
12:10 projectlightsout: People are dying and suffering
12:10 ustreamer-837066: will please shut this back assward guy up , dam enough of the lies
12:10 ustreamer-750356: it is particles that water vapor attaches to then falls to the ground, bio weapons, it is a lot of different things. REALLY?/
12:10 trippled33: what abt HARRP?
12:11 ustreamer-947276: who
12:11 ustreamer-947276: I missed this name
12:11 herpigg: What if it is All of the above????
12:11 ustreamer-304610: I wouldn't want to show my face if i was the pilot either, but i do think he beleives what he says, i think it took alot for him to come on and talk with all of us, he may not change our minds
12:11 ustreamer-651667: He lives in La La LAND!!!
12:11 ustreamer-750356: i have seen pictures of these planes from peterson afb, evergreen, you need to do your resarch. John 16: 13-16
12:11 trippled33: HARRP is a weather control research center, ther are 6 in the world
12:11 trippled33: 3 in the USA
12:11 ustreamer-837066: ummm area 51
12:12 ustreamer-304610: and we might not change his, but im grateful he came on and stood up
12:12 trippled33: no
12:12 herpigg: Evergreen based in Beaverton Or
12:12 ustreamer-001065: Convert the fear into concern because these things are REALLY happening.
12:12 ustreamer-564115: this pilot is a "beLIEver"
12:12 ustreamer-750356: no in Arizona
12:12 trippled33: alaska and gontonamo bay
12:12 ustreamer-384046: do not worry.U are not allone in USA,your goverment is poising us from above to.
12:12 trippled33: area 52
12:12 trippled33: HARRP was what i was talking abt
12:13 ustreamer-564115: i'm sorry for this poor soul
12:13 ustreamer-947276: Absolutely
12:13 ustreamer-236492: So many folks with respiratory issues
12:13 cusilton: Pilot is going around in circles
12:14 ustreamer-651667: I think the Pilot crash landed!!!
12:14 ustreamer-750356: Has anyone looked at Chemtrail Busters on Youtube. These guys have created a devise to disolve the chemtrails. They sometimes get black helicopters when they do it.
12:14 ustreamer-384046: fog
12:14 ustreamer-947276: yes a more organized agenda
12:14 ustreamer-564115: continuing this? why would any of us want to waste any more time with someone like this? you can't change their minds.
12:14 trippled33: but respect it
12:14 ustreamer-651667: Nose dive
12:14 ustreamer-304610: exactly!!!!
12:15 ustreamer-304610: This lady is making sense i agree with her
12:15 ustreamer-564115: their is no need to change each others mind
12:15 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
12:15 ustreamer-564115: go about your own businesses
12:15 ustreamer-304610: Respect!!!!
12:15 ustreamer-564115: you are what you create
12:15 ustreamer-750356: I always say plant a seed and move on to someone else. You can't help everyone.
12:15 ustreamer-552277: false.. just like this POLITE!
12:16 ustreamer-552277: PILOTE
12:16 ustreamer-384046: blind man is allways blind
12:16 ustreamer-651667: Russ is right
12:16 trippled33: but a dog terd eventually dries up and dont smell like sh!t no more
12:17 ustreamer-750356: That is true. Sad but true
12:17 herpigg: Wag The Dog
12:17 ustreamer-746305: Right
12:17 ustreamer-746305: right
12:18 ustreamer-552277: I hear TRUTH.. it resinates in my Spirit!
12:18 ustreamer-833466: has Russ got twitter?
12:18 ustreamer-750356: And sponsored with our tax dollars like cnn, and msnbc
12:18 ustreamer-001065: They hurt people with disinformation...:-( People need education not disinfo...we'll only have the society that we build...
12:18 trippled33: 10 years ago people who knew the truth were crazy to the rest of the public. now who is crazy. the people who always new
12:18 trippled33: or the people who are starting to find out the truth
12:18 cusilton: Exactly, Russ! The disinfo uses association with wack topics
12:18 ustreamer-947276: wow
12:18 ustreamer-384046: was that a beer Hans
12:19 ustreamer-947276: It is also because people cannot believe such incredulous ideas
12:19 ustreamer-552277: this so called Pilote should read the Bible... casue he needs to REPENT!
12:19 ustreamer-947276: Me niether
12:19 ustreamer-947276: neither
12:19 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
12:19 trippled33: now now, if you r speaking from a christains point of view of repent
12:20 ustreamer-088526: what a wrong statement
12:20 trippled33: god would never force anyone to repent
12:20 ustreamer-750356: Look at Eco Science our current Science Zcar and the book Eco Science he wrote in the 1970's. This is discussed as part of the eugenics program.
12:20 ustreamer-088526: roseanne should go away - visual and auditort ipecak
12:20 herpigg: LOL
12:20 trippled33: he would leave it as a choice
12:20 ustreamer-552277: I am not a Christian.. I am a Child of God.. I don't follow Religon.. I follow the WORD
12:20 cusilton: off topic
12:20 trippled33: yes
12:20 herpigg: Way off topic
12:20 ustreamer-947276: Yes Something is going on!
12:20 ustreamer-088526: off topic and irrelevant
12:21 ustreamer-088526: who cares
12:21 ustreamer-552277: Follow the $$$$
12:21 SunshineTheGrey: General Strike USAStop calling your Congressmen. They don't listen! Shut It Down
12:21 ustreamer-088526: russ has the most validity here
12:21 trippled33: follow the money to find the corrupt. follow the chem trail to become a brainwashed sheeple
12:22 ustreamer-406628: ionized particles fall faster due to magnetic attraction - aluminum is positive - earth is negative
12:22 trippled33: you fall faster when you repeat the same thing to many times!!!!
12:23 ustreamer-552277: who says that all these Jets are leaving from public airports!!!!
12:23 trippled33: Aluminum is non magnetic btw so you also sound really really
12:23 ustreamer-406628: nobody would be able to get a fuel sample
12:23 trippled33: dumb
12:23 SunshineTheGrey: wanna SEE MY PICS??? LOOK
12:23 cusilton: exactly 277
12:23 ustreamer-651667: JUST LOOK UP!1!!
12:23 ustreamer-406628: Aluminum is a plus 3 charge
12:24 ustreamer-088526: no such thing as secret corporations?
12:24 ustreamer-552277: Q: who says that all these Jets are leaving from public airports!!!!
12:24 ustreamer-674052: Jets turning contrails off and one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwrVkCn36Jo
12:24 ustreamer-088526: why get a fuel sample when it's not in the fuel?
12:24 ustreamer-406628: highly positiove charged
12:24 ustreamer-552277: there is also a Santa Clause.. LOL
12:24 cusilton: right, 526
12:24 SunshineTheGrey: NOT NORMAL https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151188820278681&set=t.639223756&type=3&theater
12:24 ustreamer-088526: why be politically correct or even polite in the face of scientific BS
12:24 ustreamer-088526: <--dr
12:24 ustreamer-088526: <--scientist
12:24 ustreamer-384046: But U belived in Santa
12:24 SunshineTheGrey: TREASON IS WHAT THIS IS
12:24 herpigg: Please Blue Sky do answer those right questions
12:24 trippled33: and the easter bunny does sh!t cadberry eggs!
12:25 trippled33: i new it
12:25 ustreamer-746305: Western Weather Consultants..is one corporation involved in weather modification and says they have been for over 35 years.
12:25 ustreamer-088526: he's a good Straw Man
12:25 ustreamer-746305: They are headquartered in Colorado
12:25 ustreamer-088526: actually a oot straw man
12:25 ustreamer-947276: haha
12:25 ustreamer-750356: There is a movement for all the states to suceed from the Union and get rid of our out of control government and re-enact a constitutional government. http://rtr.org/pages/Tracking-Secession#.UKLU2YL
12:25 ustreamer-674052: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwrVkCn36Jo
12:25 SunshineTheGrey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJkhWttwIEE&NR=1&feature=endscreen TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE NOW FILMING THIS GENOCIDE
12:25 ustreamer-088526: stay on topic
12:25 cusilton: strawman yes, good, maybe not
12:25 ustreamer-088526: poor strawman - lol
12:25 ustreamer-947276: but what about all the projects where they mean to intentionally whiten the sky
12:26 ustreamer-947276: It is happening now
12:26 ustreamer-088526: woo - he said sublimates
12:26 ustreamer-947276: ABC news report even a few days ago
12:26 ustreamer-304610: our sky is blue today, and no chemtrails, so why on other clear days i see the planes and the chemtrails and then our sky is white, Im sorry pilote your statements make no sense to what we see, smell
12:26 ustreamer-552277: Q: why dosn't Sylvain get rid of this Pilot on this call? as it is not looking good on him
12:26 SunshineTheGrey: What about the MORGELLONS found in the CHEMWEBS in NEBRASKA??
12:26 ustreamer-552277: don't mean to be a lier!
12:26 ustreamer-088526: BE negative, just be right!
12:26 ustreamer-088526: "well knowlegeable" lol
12:26 ustreamer-750356: Anthony J Hilder will be on shortly and we can ask him
12:26 SunshineTheGrey: I OBSERVE the POISON being sprayed...you are VERSED alright.
12:26 ustreamer-552277: YAAA RIGHT!
12:26 ustreamer-687250: just because he flys a plane does not make him an authority on chemtrials...
12:27 SunshineTheGrey: SEE TED GUNDERSON....RIP
12:27 ustreamer-088526: this isn't history in the making, dreamer - lol
12:27 ustreamer-564115: there's no need for this...
12:27 ustreamer-552277: the other side of TRUTH!
12:27 ustreamer-750356: small beginnings
12:27 ustreamer-947276: yes more structure
12:27 herpigg: EXACTLY
12:27 SunshineTheGrey: I HAVE THE PICS
12:27 ustreamer-088526: what about the airport on Oregon???
12:27 ustreamer-088526: the one with the tankers?
12:27 ustreamer-746305: 750356...the word is secede..not suceed..
12:28 SunshineTheGrey: NEBRASKA HIS YOUR PICS & VIDEO MILITARY
12:28 ustreamer-687250: lol its controlled by military
12:28 ustreamer-088526: lol
12:28 ustreamer-750356: it is huge
12:28 SunshineTheGrey: NEBRASKA HIS YOUR PICS & VIDEO MILITARY
12:28 ustreamer-236492: Don't all Talk at Once....lol
12:28 ustreamer-088526: too bad people have their mind fixed before hearing facts
12:28 ustreamer-304610: kim just showed you pilot with the plane full of chem barrels did you look at her pictures??
12:28 ustreamer-001065: We want the governments to tell us what it is....:-)
12:28 ustreamer-687250: its farmed out to other organizations...
12:28 ustreamer-552277: Q: why did Sylvain have this pilot on?
12:28 ustreamer-088526: say bye, eh? next time, eh? now play it, eh?
12:28 ustreamer-384046: planes ara allways flying without landing:-)
12:29 SunshineTheGrey: READ DEATH IN THE AIR
12:29 ustreamer-564115: this historical waste of time :-D
12:29 ustreamer-088526: if this is historical, I'm arylin Maonroe
12:29 ustreamer-088526: sp
12:29 ustreamer-552277: Q: dose the Pilot believe in God?
12:29 ustreamer-001065: Love to hear what you have to say Russ!!
12:29 ustreamer-564115: dude, quit smoking, you're killing yourself
12:29 ustreamer-750356: Global Food Domination and Genocide.
12:30 ustreamer-088526: faith has nothing to do with it...(except that belieevers can be VERY superstitous)
12:30 SunshineTheGrey: READ DR LEONARD HOROWITZ "DEATH IN THE AIR"
12:30 ustreamer-564115: i hope you're chewing aspartameless gum too
12:30 SunshineTheGrey: AGENDA 21
12:30 ustreamer-236492: Yes, History Does Repeat Itself
12:30 SunshineTheGrey: INSURANCE MONSANTO
12:30 ustreamer-088526: what's the clip called?
12:30 ustreamer-564115: beLIEvers
12:30 ustreamer-697931: darn ,,, you can see me smoking ??/
12:31 SunshineTheGrey: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...0637271723757.397260.639223756&type=3&theater PIC FOR YOU
12:31 ustreamer-750356: What in the world are they spraying? Documentary
12:31 ustreamer-564115: you don't need to convince this pilot
12:31 ustreamer-088526: LOL
12:31 SunshineTheGrey: WHY IN THE WORLD ARE THEY SPRAYING DOC.
12:31 ustreamer-564115: that's his responsibility to himself
12:31 SunshineTheGrey: THANK YOU <3
12:32 ustreamer-564115: i hope you quit smoking
12:32 ustreamer-750356: I want to stay tuned for the next session
12:33 ustreamer-384046: do not drink cola
12:33 ustreamer-750356: It seems to be in the NATO countries
12:33 SunshineTheGrey: I have many pics & videos from Nebraska
12:33 ustreamer-697931: search also An Anonymous Email from an Airline Mechanic
12:33 ustreamer-384046: not only NATO
12:33 SunshineTheGrey: Cannabis injested will keep you HEALTHY!
12:34 cusilton: Yep, white planes with no identification - I call them Ghost Riders
12:34 ustreamer-642401: The smoking guy needs hypnosis, it looks like he has obsessive compulsive disorder. Hypnosis will stop it.
12:34 ustreamer-236492: I live in A Dark Sky Town....
12:36 ustreamer-204247: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B2esX4bYpQQ
12:36 russtanner: That's all we see - unmarked silver jets spraying all the time
12:36 cusilton: Russ, you did a fantastic job - thank you
12:37 ustreamer-134133: Are there any pilot in those jets?
12:37 ustreamer-204247: today chem and haarp http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B2esX4bYpQQ
12:38 herpigg: Thankyou Hnas!
12:38 ustreamer-674052: See this one!!! trails turning off and on in remote area http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwrVkCn36Jo
12:39 ustreamer-384046: to see real photos visit our grupe http://www.facebook.com/groups/chemtrailsb/
12:39 ustreamer-134133: (Y) za grupu ;)
12:39 ustreamer-384046: hvala
12:40 ustreamer-204247: a ima vas :)
12:40 ustreamer-001065: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.371331766210393.94745.100000007198536&type=3
12:40 ustreamer-384046: ima ima
12:40 ustreamer-134133: ima, nego šta ti misliš ;)
12:40 herpigg: :)
12:40 ustreamer-204247: nesto se stranci cude :) ;)
12:40 ustreamer-998278: Hhahah Nemoze ovo da prodje bez nas al ajdmo na eng da nas razumeju :)
12:40 ustreamer-384046: ok
12:41 ustreamer-134133: dive se našem pismu :)
12:41 ustreamer-134133: ok
12:41 ustreamer-204247: cekaj dok prebacim na cirilicu :)
12:41 ustreamer-001065: I can see them...
12:41 ustreamer-134133: јел јеси?
12:41 ustreamer-204247: јесам
12:41 ustreamer-134133: хахаха, супер :)
12:41 ustreamer-001065: I've seen the pictures on the camera that took them!! They are real!!
12:42 russtanner: Does this person "know" Mick West?
12:42 projectlightsout: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.512624098747825.119918.100000007198536&type=3
12:43 SunshineTheGrey: you tell us!
12:43 SunshineTheGrey: Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson Says Chemtrail Death Dumps Must Be Stopped
12:43 ustreamer-750356: Learn how to disipate chemtrails from CTBusters on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUOhfjrwDX0&list=PL8290766027D4E4C9&feature=plcp
12:43 ustreamer-564115: you're government sells you propaganda all the time, why don't you expose them
12:44 ustreamer-257831: all GOVs do
12:44 ustreamer-552277: we are going to expose you all... you will be JUDGED on JUDGEMENT DAY!
12:44 ustreamer-257831: sounds good
12:44 ustreamer-248925: Regards from Serbia...In this moment most people from Serbia folow this Ustream...and we are so wondera about chemtrails...we have own group and Stop Chemtrails and we put all our pict. from all Serb
12:44 ustreamer-257831: but i want them judged now
12:45 herpigg: This is just the beginning.....:)
12:45 ustreamer-257831: put away b4 they kill us all off
12:45 ustreamer-564115: change your reality...this is good...but it will achieve very little unless you change your own reality
12:45 ustreamer-750356: when we get control of our government, you can bring your evidence and we can have jury trials.
12:45 SunshineTheGrey: #tar & feather!! http://youtu.be/gR6KVYJ73AU#
12:45 ustreamer-134133: Hello from Serbia :) Great job, yes. Thank you (Y)
12:46 ustreamer-384046: Gretings from Bosnia http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...3x403/420542_367502466667875_1293502835_n.jpg
12:46 ustreamer-564115: when you become the government, then you'll be our problem, there is no need for government
12:46 herpigg: Some good info today! :)
12:46 ustreamer-001065: Yesss!!!..ustreamer 750356...
12:46 russtanner: My Chemtrail Story: http://GlobalSkywatch.com/v/mcs
12:46 cusilton: How can we have a clear concenses when everything is so secretive - we are left to theorize
12:46 ustreamer-552277: we are sooo chemed now
12:46 ustreamer-236492: It Is Not NORMAL
12:46 ustreamer-750356: the bankster gansters charter is up next year.
12:46 ustreamer-998278: http://www.facebook.com/groups/plavoneboiznadsrbije/ For pilot Loth of info and pictures you are welcome ...
12:46 ustreamer-552277: it looks like PLAD
12:46 ustreamer-552277: Amien Brother!
12:47 ustreamer-998278: http://www.facebook.com/groups/plavoneboiznadsrbije/
12:47 ustreamer-304610: They keep spraying I can't stop either, my healthe is involved,....we are not being spayed today either???? why not ??and we are in Canada Alberta
12:47 ustreamer-257831: you cannot change a reality until you change your attitude and how you look at things being already the way you envisioned the reality to be
12:47 SunshineTheGrey: Nebraska grey for 2 days chemtrailed sunless
12:47 ustreamer-001065: Keep up the good work exposing these lines in the sky!! We need more people aware!!
12:49 ustreamer-236492: Read the reports from Golden Valley-Mohave County Arizona - people had blood tests, high levels of barium and aluminum
12:50 ustreamer-257831: both metals reflect sunlight
12:50 ustreamer-690526: Hey stonley!
12:50 ustreamer-564115: go vegan and eat organic and you never have to worry about remedies
12:50 ustreamer-444563: choot em! lizibet choot em!
12:50 ustreamer-257831: they also cause water to build in the air affected by both metals
12:50 ustreamer-236492: Organic is no longer organic
12:50 ustreamer-257831: i did
12:51 ustreamer-257831: HAARP 3 in the USA alone
12:51 projectlightsout: Here another album I uploaded https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.371331766210393.94745.100000007198536&type=3
12:51 cusilton: Yep, trails facilitate haarp
12:51 ustreamer-732626: I wonder what "in agreeance" means - uh-huk, uh-huk, uh-huk
12:51 ustreamer-001065: We just need answers from the governments....
12:51 ustreamer-134133: Vegan food have GMO, take care! Soya at first place etc.
12:52 ustreamer-001065: these are "our" skies too not owned by the governments...
12:52 ustreamer-236492: Noaa has admitted to chemtrails being sprayed, their just hush, hush about it. Were told not to talk about it.
12:52 ustreamer-968978: is this over?
12:53 ustreamer-552277: wake up.. yup..
12:54 ustreamer-444563: OT UN ALL VER IT
12:54 ustreamer-732626: russ makes the most sense...lots of extraneous speculation....what if....
12:54 ustreamer-257831: The answer from the Gov's will look like silence and then they will tell you to get on the bus, keep your moth shut. &abt an hour later u will see a big gas stove, big enough to walk in, wait a min...
12:55 ustreamer-651667: Yep
12:55 ustreamer-236492: Absolutely!!!!!!
12:55 ustreamer-552277: al qaeda is a US Goverment nade DATA BASE
12:55 ustreamer-444563: DEEP FRYD TRUTHER
12:55 ustreamer-236492: Reporter goes DEAD
12:56 ustreamer-162865: http://www.texasweathermodification.com/
12:57 SunshineTheGrey: Here are Nebraska USA pics https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150637271723757.397260.639223756&type=1&l=58a98a5bf9
12:57 ustreamer-552277: Hillary Clinton Admits the U.S. Government Created al-Qaeda http://youtu.be/ifZK6SVlQ1Y
12:57 ustreamer-236492: My Doc said he treats more people for respiratory conditions than anything else
12:58 ustreamer-651667: Blue Sky wasn't really Blue Skies!!! He is a lair
12:58 ustreamer-732626: it could be considered an advantage to have someone like the pilot be such an amatuer
12:58 SunshineTheGrey: CODEX ALIMENTARIOUS INSURED BANKING
12:58 ustreamer-651667: I can tell right off the batt
12:58 ustreamer-552277: Agenda 21 at it's best
12:58 ustreamer-051139: form follows function
12:58 ustreamer-051139: <--dr/scientist
12:59 ustreamer-651667: If he is always looking at the ground I can understand but he is a Pilot AKA PAID Disinfo Agent
12:59 ustreamer-384046: Must go.Wife wants me http://www.facebook.com/StopChemtrailsBosnaiHercegovina?ref=hl
12:59 ustreamer-384046: tu sam spirit
12:59 ustreamer-051139: wow
1:00 herpigg: The pilot was just what he is. A commercial pilot. And perhaps on a need to know basis.
1:00 ustreamer-134133: ima nas, nije da nije ;)
1:00 ustreamer-051139: walter who?
1:00 ustreamer-051139: maritime law
1:00 ustreamer-051139: gold frings
1:00 ustreamer-051139: fringe
1:01 ustreamer-051139: Maritime Law's jurisdiction
1:01 SunshineTheGrey: UN CODEX ALIMENTARIOUS
1:02 cusilton: It's the other way around I think - the corporationsbankers own the government rather than the government owning the corporations/bankers
1:02 ustreamer-162865: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flag.htm
1:02 ustreamer-236492: THE NWO
1:02 cusilton: Yep, Russ
1:03 SunshineTheGrey: ABOLISH THE IMF GLOBAL BANK OCCUPY
1:03 ustreamer-444563: COLOR CODED LIKE MIDEAST UPRISINS
1:03 ustreamer-001065: Very well put Russ...truth and integrity is what we need.
1:03 SunshineTheGrey: ONE MAINFRAIM TO RULE THEM ALL look that up on youtube!
1:03 ustreamer-236492: Federal Reserve - There's nothing Federal about it.. RESERVE - there is none
1:03 SunshineTheGrey: FASCIST PLUTOCRACY
1:04 cusilton: Corporatocracy
1:04 ustreamer-166226: Iceland is doing great.. they kicked out the IMF & jailed the Banksters
1:04 SunshineTheGrey: Genocide
1:04 ustreamer-257831: this is desturbing, martail law flag? http://www.treeofthegoldenlight.com/Nesara-Constitution/GoldFringedFlags.htm
1:04 ustreamer-444563: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkfMuvVuETQ
1:05 ustreamer-444563: CORP NATION
1:05 ustreamer-166226: Amein
1:06 ustreamer-588223: Aspect ratio:
1:06 ustreamer-588223: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Nepal
1:06 ustreamer-051139: Russ is right; I am a primary care physician. read up on dr mercola's site
1:06 ustreamer-051139: $$$
1:06 ustreamer-257831: the NDAA was passed this year and gold fringed flags in the court rooms that stand for martail law, next indefinate detention for all people who know the truth
1:06 ustreamer-166226: Make sure you get enough Iodine and also we are all mostely magnezium defisent
1:06 SunshineTheGrey: AGENDA 21 BE MAD!
1:07 ustreamer-236492: Mercola banned a friend for telling the truth about B12
1:07 ustreamer-166226: dr mercola is a great source www.mercola.com
1:07 SunshineTheGrey: CANNABIS NEEDS TO BE FREE TO COUNTERACT THEIR POISON!
1:07 ustreamer-257831: shut up everyone and drink your florinated water like a good slave
1:07 ustreamer-588223: Aspect ratio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Vatican_City
1:07 ustreamer-166226: they all leak
1:08 ustreamer-051139: he's right - especially when we chew cilantro
1:08 ustreamer-051139: cilantro liberates the mercury
1:08 ustreamer-051139: where's the profit in the FDA telling the truth?
1:09 ustreamer-001065: Yes..spread the information...all they need to do is look up more often!!!
1:09 ustreamer-051139: 166226 - right on. best source (for me) for iodine is sea vegetables
1:09 ustreamer-166226: [4:08:58 PM] Steve OTF-Yahweh - Commandment Keeper!: Chief Executive of the British Dental Association loses it!!!http://youtu.be/fq8E84PgP3g
1:09 ustreamer-051139: I am making my daily miso soup as I listen
1:09 ustreamer-051139: (kombu, nori, hajiki, wakame - sea vegetables)
1:10 trippled33: kelp
1:10 ustreamer-236492: Radiation in the sea
1:10 trippled33: seaweed
1:10 trippled33: smoke it
1:10 cusilton: She is exactly right
1:11 cusilton: ...they aren't just going to give it up because the people become aware
1:11 trippled33: esspecailly near Japan. it is still sending fall out radiation in the sea and in the jetstream
1:11 ustreamer-746305: Centcom is called Central Command..its headquarters is located in Tampa, Florida
1:12 ustreamer-746305: Eurocom is European Command..
1:12 ustreamer-236492: Please Repeat - Orbis ?
1:12 ustreamer-746305: Africom is African Command
1:12 ustreamer-384046: peple know nothing
1:12 ustreamer-746305: Central Command is about the Middle East..it is the command that Petraeus commanded
1:13 ustreamer-746305: Soucom .. is Southern Command .. South American Command
1:13 ustreamer-166226: the big survalence is them "Smart Meters"
1:13 ustreamer-746305: There are 5 Commands in the world ..the us military has divided the world up into 5 regions
1:13 trippled33: sheeple know nothing. implying people means there awake and they know enough
1:13 ustreamer-001065: http://orbisvitae.com/
1:14 ustreamer-947276: that was crazy that he said that
1:14 ustreamer-236492: ty
1:16 SunshineTheGrey: THEY ARE ALREADY DELETING IT
1:16 SunshineTheGrey: COMPARTMENTALIZATION
1:16 trippled33: servalence is everywhere. it has been here for over 15 years. people have always complained abt it. now because of the tech people are now outraged
1:17 trippled33: they have a packet and keyblogger NSA manditory in your router
1:17 trippled33: packet sniffer sorry
1:17 ustreamer-236492: I'm on the site orbis vitae, don't see William Cooper
1:18 trippled33: smart meters are the command for the survalence in your house you didn't know abt it
1:18 SunshineTheGrey: YOU DELETE THE HISTORY YOU WRITE THE PAST
1:18 ustreamer-001065: http://orbisvitae.com/mc/Mystery-Babylon-Series/
1:19 ustreamer-236492: ty.... out of it today
1:19 ustreamer-444563: THEN THERE COMMITING RICO VIOLATION
1:19 trippled33: CCTV survallence has alwys been around and they had high def way before now, way b4 the public had it
1:19 trippled33: and there are possiblly 13 more degrees after 33
1:20 trippled33: in free masonary
1:22 ustreamer-001065: http://orbisvitae.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=249809&site_id=1
1:22 trippled33: they are christains up until deg 29, than i am not sure which God, but something other then the most high you are told to swear allegence to this new God and to forsake your old God
1:23 projectlightsout: Thanks for the links.
1:24 herpigg-1: Chaos
1:24 trippled33: dont get me wrong, i dont do the God topic to much, but those free masons get into that sh!t in the worst way
1:24 ustreamer-051139: alex jones also promotes an emergency water "ProPur" filter that is TOTAL CRAP (and the claims are riddled with lies). Get a Black Berkey...that's the truth (and I even sell them)
1:24 SunshineTheGrey: http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/sciencetech/cannibis-save-life/2712
1:25 ustreamer-001065: Their job is to keep us all divided. It is a great victory for them when they can get the big fish compromised..
1:25 ustreamer-051139: I am a Pastafarian and have a problem with all Abrahamian religions....they are just using religons to fill a gap left by what Natives called The Great Mystery
1:25 ustreamer-166226: the world is run by Satan
1:26 ustreamer-051139: or The Great Spirit
1:26 ustreamer-166226: I don't follow any Relifgon.. as it is all controlled
1:26 ustreamer-166226: I follow the Word
1:27 ustreamer-746305: the new normal..
1:27 ustreamer-051139: I follow my own ward and observation...and nature
1:27 herpigg: The truth shall set us free.
1:27 ustreamer-746305: that is the clever catch phrase for the current climate of opinion
1:27 ustreamer-051139: no the truth will help us be informed
1:27 ustreamer-166226: Yes.. The Truth wil set you free...
1:27 trippled33: well thats great, thats grate beyond grate. buut the grate spirit dont run my country that is going to sh!t
1:28 ustreamer-051139: freedom sets you free
1:28 ustreamer-051139: sorry, I am literal (and logical)
1:28 ustreamer-166226: sorry, but I stay in the Word of truth
1:28 ustreamer-750356: i have not been able to watch TV for more than 10 years. It is true.
1:29 ustreamer-001065: They are not planning on giving us freedom. They are expanding their mind control and microchipping. This is not freedom or necessary.
1:29 ustreamer-166226: we all need to Keep the Commandments
1:29 herpigg: Don't be sorry. Stay with the Word.
1:29 ustreamer-166226: yes sir.. not sorry
1:29 herpigg: Never be sorry :)
1:30 ustreamer-166226: I am an Israelite (Child of God/Yah)
1:31 ustreamer-001065: What will be the point of life if we are all mind controlled and microchipped effectively making us all property of the government...
1:31 ustreamer-051139: I am a Human/Earthling
1:33 ustreamer-051139: "inner" layer may be a better analogy since the "outer" layer is seen by anyone
1:35 ustreamer-166226: can someone type it in here.. I missed it
1:36 ustreamer-236492: trying to find link to it - kay griggs
1:36 ustreamer-166226: thanks
1:36 ustreamer-166226: I've been seeing this type of sensorships
1:36 ustreamer-001065: Kay Griggs: http://orbisvitae.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=63806
1:37 ustreamer-166226: Kay Griggs Talks Pt 1 The complete unedited - Blackmail In US Government
1:37 ustreamer-166226: http://youtu.be/3WE1IF9rGVI
1:39 ustreamer-444563: VERY GOOD
1:39 ustreamer-750356: Thank you
1:39 ustreamer-166226: thanks Hanz
1:39 ustreamer-134133: (Y)
1:39 ustreamer-134133: Thank you, love you :)
1:39 herpigg: Thankyou HANS!
1:40 ustreamer-947276: Thank you so much! Nice to meet you...cyber wise!
1:40 ustreamer-166226: post your link, Hanz
1:41 ustreamer-750356: http://infowarsfullmovieddownload.com
1:42 ustreamer-134133: :*
1:42 ustreamer-947276: Yep
1:42 ustreamer-051139: Dutch Sinse is A TOTAL <censored>
1:42 ustreamer-687250: dutchsince is awesome:)
1:43 herpigg: Horton Hears a Who....WE ARE HERE!
1:43 ustreamer-051139: uninformed, unscientific, sensationalist
1:43 ustreamer-687250: isnt every one who reports truth
1:43 ustreamer-051139: "Dutch" has a Great Voice, but is horribly ignorant
1:43 ustreamer-051139: 250 - no, this Russ is on the mark
1:43 ustreamer-687250: listen t your government they love u
1:43 ustreamer-687250: hahah
1:43 ustreamer-051139: dutch is an idiot
1:43 ustreamer-051139: you listen to them, not me, they lie
1:43 ustreamer-687250: idiot?
1:43 ustreamer-687250: really
1:44 ustreamer-051139: I.D.I.O.T.
1:44 ustreamer-687250: he posts truth
1:44 ustreamer-687250: whats problem with that
1:44 ustreamer-687250: he keeps a watch on haarp activity
1:45 ustreamer-051139: he likes to think he's 100% right
1:45 ustreamer-746305: Dutch is not an idiot..
1:45 ustreamer-690526: Will this show be available later?
1:45 ustreamer-051139: he may be partially right
1:45 ustreamer-051139: he is an idiot
1:45 ustreamer-051139: really stupid
1:45 ustreamer-746305: that is not true 051139
1:45 ustreamer-051139: he measured radiation of a tablespoon of milk - idiot
1:45 ustreamer-690526: gray ustreamer, we get it. your opinion is noted. I hope you're doe.
1:45 ustreamer-051139: that was BAD SCIENCE
1:46 ustreamer-750356: http://www.infowarsfullmoviedownloadfree.com/ sorry for the miss spelling
1:46 ustreamer-328703: thank you for this show! =)
1:46 ustreamer-998278: http://www.facebook.com/groups/plavoneboiznadsrbije/
1:46 ustreamer-051139: better would be tpo really really take background measurements, then reduce 5 gallons of milk to ash and measure that (sith a scintillation probe, NOT a mueller/geiger tube)
1:46 ustreamer-746305: we all like dutch...he has been right on the mark regarding tornadic activity in the midwest and has saved lives...
1:47 ustreamer-746305: that is heroic and is not something that should be ridiculed..
1:47 ustreamer-051139: if one predicts everything, some will be right
1:47 herpigg: HELLO CIA!
1:47 ustreamer-051139: better weather prediction is Piers Corbyn
1:47 ustreamer-746305: he is consistently correct on tornadic predictions....24 to 48 hours before they show up..
1:47 ustreamer-898936: DARPA, CIA, NSA, SEC, DTCC can kiss my arse
1:47 ustreamer-051139: Piers in the UK predicted the east coast blizzards (two of them last year) TO THE DAY a year in advANCE
1:49 ustreamer-166226: Hanz... can you share your skype name
1:50 ustreamer-051139: I actually like John, I mean Dutch and have been in touch by email years ago...he's just wrong no matter how informed and authoritative he SOUNDS (and what a nice voice - like mine - lol)
1:50 ustreamer-001065: Hans' Skype name is plccancun.
1:51 ustreamer-746305: I disagree....39...dutch has been bringing many people together to discuss so many issues..Bayou Corne is a big one..
1:51 ustreamer-051139: different color light attracts attention...no light, no attention
1:51 ustreamer-746305: you know about Bayou Corne .. right .. 39?
1:52 ustreamer-746305: so 39...you googling bayou corne..or what?
1:52 SunshineTheGrey: THANK YOU 1 <3
1:52 ustreamer-746305: thank you
1:52 projectlightsout: my skypename is plccancun
1:52 ustreamer-051139: thanks Russ - the voice of reason
1:53 herpigg: THANKYOUALL,3
1:53 marjoriefreeman2: ty Kim
1:53 ustreamer-679751: post a link...
1:53 SunshineTheGrey: and =)
1:53 ustreamer-679751: www.globalskywatch.com/go
1:54 marjoriefreeman2: what time
1:54 ustreamer-679751: Monday, November 26 2012, 8pm Eastern, 5pm Pacific Call 702-589-8240 and use access code 9371679
1:54 russtanner: Call 702-589-8240 and use access code 9371679
1:55 ustreamer-679751: https://www.facebook.com/groups/globalskywatch/
1:55 ustreamer-750356: have you heard about a lawsuit against chemtrails?
1:56 ustreamer-679751: Hanze.. do you have any links?
1:56 russtanner: Monday, November 26 2012, 8pm Eastern, 5pm PacificCall 702-589-8240 and use access code 9371679.Please note the access code has been updated!All are welcome to participate. Please join us.
1:56 russtanner: http://globalskywatch.com/go
1:57 ustreamer-750356: Thank you
1:58 ustreamer-679751: http://www.youtube.com/lightsout9999
1:58 ustreamer-001065: Anyone who wants can subscribe to Hans' Facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/ProjectLightsOut?fref=ts
1:58 ustreamer-679751: thanks
1:58 herpigg: We are all in the same boat!
1:58 ustreamer-679751: www.wethepeoplepress.ca
1:59 SunshineTheGrey: Cannabis IS Safer
2:00 marjoriefreeman2: Dutchsinse? correct
2:00 ustreamer-679751: blessings
2:00 marjoriefreeman2: ty
2:00 ustreamer-947276: thank you, 12 12 12 till then
2:00 ustreamer-328703: thank you =)
2:00 ustreamer-051139: dutch = idiot
2:00 ustreamer-750356: thank you.
2:01 projectlightsout: Thank you all! And see you soon again! :)


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HappyMonday

Moderator
Ye Gods! There's no hope for those guys,or for rationality prevailing about this subject.

The weird mix of ecological paranoia,pseudoscientific bullshit and religiosity is bizarre to comprehend.
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
Yes, he definitely did. He stated that in thousands of hours flying he had never seen any plane he could not identify, military or civilian, and that he had never seen anything similar to a contrail which was suspicious in any way. He had a good grasp of meteorology and atmospheric science and had taught the subject to aviators.

The session evolved mostly into a debate between the pilot and Russ Tanner. It should be listened to because Tanner is so extreme it is a good way to see what it is like to debate a very true chemtrail believer and how to avoid some pitfalls. Mick and contrailscience made a lasting impression on Tanner which he addressed at around the 2 hour mark onwards. The second part in the ustream link above with the recording is a worthless hour, just a couple of conspiracy theorists spouting off about unrelated stuff. The exchanges with Tanner had him filibustering and using a Gish Gallop. If you debate these people publicly you have to have a moderator insist on one point at a time to prevent them from monopolizing all the time and giving you 20 points to answer all at once. You have to take notes on what they say and have some basic rebuttals ready. You need to note when they say "proposed" "could" or otherwise qualify their statements, because they unconsciously tell the truth when they do that. Point it out when they do.

The pilot didn't have specific information we have here for debunking the specific claims, but he had a general idea and was able to handle them. He used logic well to counter, and made several references to how there is no consensus, and when one claim is countered factually or logically, they move on to expand the claim. For instance, when confronted with evidence of contrail persistence in the past, Tanner first claimed that it was rare, then later claimed that past peristence was spraying going back fifty years. Rather than getting exasperated, as the pilot did to some extent(you could hear it in his voice), these failures of logic need to be brought out, which he eventually did. He would have benefitted greatly from more speciifc knowledge of where their claims fall short.

BTW, Sylvain Henry took almost no part in the discussion, that was a mistake. The pilot should have steered the conversation towards him to avoid Tanner from monopolizing all the time with nonsense.

Some thing important to note is the consensus issue. When dealing with a radical like Tanner, the pilot did note that Rosalind Peterson had said in ten years study she had found no concrete evidence for anything but persistent contrails. The disparities between believers needs to be emphasized, I can't stress that enough. Pit them against each other as often and as far as you can, because taken as a whole, many of their claims debunk each other with no further work from you needed, you become the mediator, the witness, the public observer, not an adversary at that point. By doing this, you also sow seeds which may grow into a general refutation of the more extreme and outlandish of the claims or even a wholesale rejection of the individual making them.

You need to use the 'set up'. Take note of their factual or logical fallacies. These are your targets. They are the only things that matter. By taking brief notes you can recount their fallacy or false claim to the audience and explain the failure. Think about how their statements don't make sense or are contradictory.

If dealing with a Gish Galloper, don't ask a direct question of your opponent which allows them to take the floor. Instead, direct your questions to the audience or elsewhere in a rhetorical way. If absolutely necessary, ask a question they can only answer by yes or no, state it that way, "yes or no?", "right?" or "would you agree with that, yes or no?". You might have to interrupt, "hold on a minute.." do it politely but don't be afraid to do so or point out why you did. They will do so whether you do or not, so you have nothing to lose and much to gain.

Since this is public, you really need to avoid arguing with the opponent directly. Your audience is not your opponent, and your opponent is not your audience who must be persuaded. You are there to persuade the audience that the opponent is wrong, nothing more. Frame your responses to elicit a response from the audience, leave the opponent standing by himself, turn the audience into your sympathizer if the opponent
makes unclear, false, misleading, or illogical statements.

None of Tanner's extreme stuff can be documented or is confirmable. He won't give sources for them because they are total BS. You must point that out when an individual makes a claim which isn't part of the meme already, and how others contradict him.

For a committed chemtrail believer in the audience, none of what the pilot said made any difference. For that person, lots of what Tanner said will be entering the meme. His claims beyond the current meme need to be examined and refuted because of that. Maybe a thread here could get that done fairly easily. He sent this out yesterday from his "Global Skywatch". We need to oblige his request because he ijntends to become a "contender" .

We will be holding our first public phone conference to discuss chemtrails/geoengineering.

Time: Monday, November 26th, at 8 pm Eastern time, 5 pm Pacific time
Number: Call 702-589-8240 and use access code 9371679.
All are welcome to attend.
Details & Agenda

We will be discussing some very unique proposals to coordinate our efforts to expose chemtrails to the public and to raise the funds necessary to reach our goals.

We will also begin organizing our group so more people can get directly involved in a well-coordinated, well-focused group that gets things done.

You can join our Wiggio Group to stay connected with us by using this link.
http://wiggio.com/group_open_join.php?groupid=1517236&password=whatintheworld&ref=1471613
Please enter your email when prompted. Your email address will not be published or shared: Global Skywatch Wiggio Group

Please join us!

Below is our general agenda for this event. This will be expanded as the event approaches, so check back often.
•Introduction◦Who we are; What we do, Why we do it

•Our Purpose & Goals ◦Ending chemtrails: The 5-step plan

•Overview: The Problems We Face◦The scope and effect of geoengineering
◦Two small groups trying to influence the public
Exposing Geoengineering/Chemtrails to the Public◦General Ideas ■Teaching the dangers of metallic aerosols to the public
■Encouraging public cooperation/education
■Blogging - Ideas for combining exposure with fund raising
■Managing newsletters and email lists - Tools & tips
■Contact local media
■Contact local health food stores
■Showings of "what" and "why"
■Partner with farmers and co-ops
■Centralized link sharing
■I Oppose geoengineering business signs with central webpage
■Where to find more ideas

◦Proposed Projects ■The "I Do Not Consent" Project


•Fundraising ◦Conventional donations
◦Creating a business model ■Proposal #1: A mutually beneficial group model
■Proposal #2: A flat business model


•Taking Legal Action ◦What is happening? A status report
◦What you can do

•Utilizing Our Talents◦A Model that Works: How the powers-that-be accomplish their goals
◦Burning DVDs
◦Website design/programming
◦Art work; Creation of flyers/brochures
◦Music writing/production

•Fundraising
•Open Discussion for sharing ideas about achieving our goals
•Open Discussion for anything else
 

HappyMonday

Moderator
It's funny how silent the usual suspects are on Twitter about this.Yesterday it was awash with tweets promoting the 'event',nobody is posting any links to the outcomes at all.

Just thought too,I don't know if it's possible to grab a copy of the interview,as it's only a matter of time before a selectively edited version appears.
 

HappyMonday

Moderator
Mick,that's pretty sage advice from Jay above,do you have post or sticky containing advice for debunkers about debating believers?
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
There's my "guide to debunking", with a few good references in the comments
https://www.metabunk.org/content/129-A-Guide-to-Debunking

The Debunking Handbook is also good:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/docs/Debunking_Handbook.pdf

Both of Mick's references for debunking are great.
Different tactics may be necessary during a live debate compared to a prepared debunking for later consumption.

Remember what you are up against. These are info-warriors and will use any tactic possible.
Tanner was full of scorn and directly called the pilot a liar and disinformationalist, even though a woman(a true believer) in the mix asked folks to not get personal.
The pilot should have brought this out to counter the tactic and gain sympathy with the undecideds. It would have flattened Tanners accusations, instead he let it stand and was not being countered the pilot was thus diminished in some eyes.
We need to use all tactics, except for dis/misinformation, which will come out in the end on either side.
The side that uses it, loses the info-war.
 
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Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
Both of Mick's references for debunking are great.
Different tactics may be necessary during a live debate compared to a prepared debunking for later consumption.

Remember what you are up against. These are info-warriors and will use any tactic possible.
Tanner was full of scorn and directly called the pilot a liar and disinformationalist, even though a woman(a true believer) in the mix asked folks to not get personal.
The pilot should have brought this out to counter the tactic and gain sympathy with the undecideds. It would have flattened Tanners accusations, instead he let it stand and was not being countered the pilot was thus diminished in some eyes.
We need to use all tactics, except for dis/misinformation, which will come out in the end on either side.
The side that uses it, loses the info-war.

I've started a new sub-forum (MetaDebunking) to focus in debunking techniques, and copied some of the above over to it:

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/951-Debunking-in-Live-Debates
 
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HappyMonday

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Sylvain Henry's Facebook group, which shares everything from Infowars to the Guardian newspaper, hasn't mentioned chemtrails since the beginning of February at least.

It's much more concerned with homeland security and civil liberty matters now it seems.
 

JRBids

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FlyingAtheist

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Hello! I have to admit to being the pilot of the the above mentioned debate "John Whitelines".
I had stumbled onto Sylvain Henry's website Mass Action Demand, I saw the gross errors being repeated and I felt obliged to correct them. After receiving multiple threats I called Sylvain directly as he freely advertises his phone number, he seemed as was mentioned deluded but passionate about what he believes.
I met with him a few times proved my credentials, with hopes of enlightening him and potentially swaying a mass of deluded misinformed people.
He seemed keen and suggested a live interaction in which I could answer questions.
I honestly didn't realize it was going to be a debate, I had never heard of Russ Tanner nor was I in any way prepared for the mind numbing statement that he was to make.
I had only stumbled onto contrail science while trying to find references to questions days before I had this web radio discussion.
I do apologies for my poor performance, I did my best to keep a friendly demeanour and was quite frazzled by the end. Never anticipating the level of absurdity and total lack of common sense the CT group possessed.

" Truth from knowledge! "

From a fellow pilot hoping for a more enlightened wold.
 

KC-10FE

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The latest claim is that the spraying is being conducted by unmarked drones, or airliners disguised as holograms. I had a woman tell me today she saw formations of 30 drones flying over her mother's house, spraying.
 

skephu

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I just listened to some of the "radiothon" led by Sylvain Henry. In the beginning there were a few comments in the chatroom by non-believers but they were quickly blocked by this Henry guy. A few minutes ago they just discussed that everybody who disagrees with them is a troll/shill/disinformation agent, and these should be ignored and blocked.
 

skephu

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I had somebody cite him as a commercial pilot who believes in chemtrails. I didn't think he was, but wanted confirmation. Are you sure?
Yes, judging from his facebook page he studied biochemistry. No mention of being a pilot. But he's looking for whistleblowing pilots all the time, but cannot find any.
 

Hama Neggs

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Yes, judging from his facebook page he studied biochemistry. No mention of being a pilot. But he's looking for whistleblowing pilots all the time, but cannot find any.

Yep. The guy who said it is now admitting he saw other chemtrails believers say it, but thinks it isn't true. He even said he wishes the believers would check their sources better. :) He STILL seems to think I'm part of the coverup, though. :rolleyes:
 
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