Summoned UFO by Dutch psychic

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Bram

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I feel kind of silly posting this because this concerns an obvious fake. VERY OBVIOUS!

Robbert van de Broeke is a well-known Dutch psychic who has been debunked several times. The man still makes weekly predictions and gives paranormal consultations, etc. But he also claims that he has contact with UFOs and aliens. This video shows his 'proof'. The video has been online for 5 days only and already has almost 80.000 views and thousands of likes and reactions of people believing this crap. I would like to write an article about fake UFO video's but I want to show with images (maybe pixel analysis or something) that this is fake. Ofcourse anyone with normal eyes and half a brain can see it's fake but I want to lay it out for the 'I want to believers' as well so there is no room for discussion. There is probably someone here that can supply some 'technical evidence' this video is super fake.
Thanks in advance.

 

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Unfortunately I think everything you find would be hand-waved away as an effect of the UFO.

At the start it looks very different to in the middle.




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What are those weird white patterns? Why do they vanish? Compositing error? Compression? Or alien force-field
 


By brightening it up, the reflection seems inconsistent with the environment. Where's the road? What is the black shape on the bottom?
 
Mick West said:
What are those weird white patterns? Why do they vanish? Compositing error? Compression? Or alien force-field
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Intentional echo of one of the more beloved UFOs out there? (Looking at the rim, not the patchy underbelly...
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Though if so I'm not sure why it would go away if it was intended to evoke the older case -- perhaps as it got closer it looked faker?
 
Bram said:
I feel kind of silly posting this because this concerns an obvious fake. VERY OBVIOUS!
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Don't feel silly, it can be fun playing around with ones like these in the same way a cat bats around a wounded bird (which happened in my couryard just last week as I was trying to enjoy a nice beer - I had harsh words with the cat afterwards. It didn't understand me, as I think it only understands finnish.)

Things wrong with it, from my perspective:
1) he is big enough to cast a shadow on the road, larger craft isn't. That on its own is its death sentence, but let's see what else is there.
2) he says he felt it making a wind. None of the grasses did. This is not a killer.
3) the craft remains in focus for a bit too long for my liking, Presently, that's quite weak, but could be made firmer if we knew the aperture/focal-length/etc.
4) from the shininess of the craft, should we expect to see something more in the featureless green colour on the right hand side? Very weak presently
5) I could have faked that using 3D-Studio back in 1992 on my fancy new 386 with 16MB of RAM! (This technically is not an argument against the evidence, it merely weakens its standing *as* evidence.)

I'm sure there's more.
 
The reflection map seems to be showing a sunrise or sunset. Given the SSW heading of the camera, this would have to be a sunset. The direction seems about right for August, but the sky does really look like sunset.
 
Mick West said:
He's somewhere around here:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.599...l8iyQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu
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Note the Google Stree View Image is from Jun 2024, close to the date of the video, (Posted Aug 2, 2024) . I think he's on one of the side streets, a bit further back, but the camera is facing south of southwest
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Good find. Wandering along there, trying to narrow it down by virtue of the existence/absence of the pylon/cables and the shed, and the alignment of the trees/copses - and frustrated by his camera positioning - I suddenly realised his little joke: he's using the Dutch angle!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_angle :
External Quote:
In filmmaking and photography, the Dutch angle, also known as Dutch tilt, canted angle, or oblique angle, is a type of camera shot that involves setting the camera at an angle so that the shot is composed with vertical lines at an angle to the side of the frame, or so that the horizon line of the shot is not parallel with the bottom of the frame.[1] This produces a viewpoint akin to tilting one's head to the side.[1] In cinematography, the Dutch angle is one of many cinematic techniques often used to portray psychological uneasiness or tension in the subject being filmed.[2]
 
I suddenly felt a kind of static gust of wind over me and saw a metallic object passover me and fly in front of me and disappear into nothing.
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Isn't it fairly obvious from his reaction (or lack of it) in the video that this didn't happen?

There's a real "cool guys don't look at UFOs" vibe considering the sunglasses.
 
As always ask for the original file from the device that recorded the video.

This requires them to present a much harder to fake video than a clip on YouTube. And also much harder to reverse engineer a faked original video that matches the YouTube video.

If they cannot or will not then there is not a reason to believe the footage is not faked.

If they do then more forensics can be performed on the video presented.
 
There seems to be frames in the 30% slowdown section that don't exist in the 'realtime' part.

Compare the contrast from frame 422 onwards to frame 485 onwards, some frames are doubled (compare 485 and 486) and some are new
 
JMartJr said:
In cinematography, basically just a tilted camera.
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I'm curious - which bit of that, and what followed, wasn't in the wikipedia link I originally posted? Do my posts, even when they quote US websites, need translating into westpondian?
 
jarlrmai said:
There seems to be frames in the 30% slowdown section that don't exist in the 'realtime' part.

Compare the contrast from frame 422 onwards to frame 485 onwards, some frames are doubled (compare 485 and 486) and some are new
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The native framerate is probably not the same as the youtube framerate, and it might have been through several steps that could add or remove frames, so I'd not read too much into it.
 
FatPhil said:
I'm curious - which bit of that, and what followed, wasn't in the wikipedia link I originally posted?
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I had looked through the thread for an explanation and somehow missed your post. Knowing something about the topic, I posted what I knew. As it is redundantly repetitive surplusage, I'll delete it.
 
FatPhil said:
I'm curious - which bit of that, and what followed, wasn't in the wikipedia link I originally posted? Do my posts, even when they quote US websites, need translating into westpondian?
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the real curious question is why do "you" need a wikipedia page and a bunch of complicated fancy words to say "a tilted camera" ?

(i had originally posted the location link, and i didnt see how a tilted camera could cause the tree line squash to the far left.. esp since the road in the youtube video looks level. i said "a fisheye lens or a dutch angle, whatever that is [in relation to the youtube vid/location]. JMart saw my full post and misunderstood my question but i prefer his answer anyway. )
 
deirdre said:
the real curious question is why do "you" need a wikipedia page and a bunch of complicated fancy words to say "a tilted camera" ?

(i had originally posted the location link, and i didnt see how a tilted camera could cause the tree line squash to the far left.. esp since the road in the youtube video looks level. i said "a fisheye lens or a dutch angle, whatever that is [in relation to the youtube vid/location]. JMart saw my full post and misunderstood my question but i prefer his answer anyway. )
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Why did you put "you" in quotes? If you're addresing me, just use the second person plural pronoun unquoted. Heck, use the second person singular; I won't be offended.

However, the reason I quoted a source for a definition of the term is that were I to come up with my own description of the term, that would be paraphrasing, which would be against the posting guidelines.
 
jarlrmai said:
As always ask for the original file from the device that recorded the video.

This requires them to present a much harder to fake video than a clip on YouTube. And also much harder to reverse engineer a faked original video that matches the YouTube video.

If they cannot or will not then there is not a reason to believe the footage is not faked.

If they do then more forensics can be performed on the video presented.
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This guy gets enough hits on his bogus video, he doesn't need himself explaining. And he won't reply if I ask for the raw footage. Heck, he probably won't even see my message through all the fan mail he gets for this video...
 
Bram said:
I feel kind of silly posting this because this concerns an obvious fake. VERY OBVIOUS!

Robbert van de Broeke is a well-known Dutch psychic who has been debunked several times. The man still makes weekly predictions and gives paranormal consultations, etc. But he also claims that he has contact with UFOs and aliens. This video shows his 'proof'. The video has been online for 5 days only and already has almost 80.000 views and thousands of likes and reactions of people believing this crap.
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This is actually a smart tactic. Flim-flam artists use a story like "I'm a Nigerian Prince trying to get my throne back, and I'll reward you handsomely if you help me," because it is transparently absurd. It's a kind of filter. One out of thousands of cold calls will believe the story, and you've found someone who is easily tricked into believing anything and doing anything. Like sending you their life savings. The predators prey on the weakest.

Psychics who make entertaining predictions and tell entertaining stories find their audience. It's a small fraction of the population, but after you've hooked them, they'll believe anything, and you've become a kind of brand they'll keep coming back to. Like a crummy novelist. It's easy to crank out low quality content. You don't even have to try hard. The most vulnerable come to him for paid consultations.
 
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I don't even know if this guy understands that he's telling us that an Apple phone camera's self timer mode is a UFO early detection system.

I say this, cos even as just a piece of entertainment, it's utter crap.

Production is awful (bad CGI). The plot is ridiculous (aliens turning on iphone cameras. The calling. etc.). The acting is woeful (not difficult to look up to pretend there's something above you).

I'd give them some benefit of the doubt if there was some evidence of effort being put in somewhere. But it's no effort across the board.
 
Deja vu anyone?

Robbert has been known to fake photo's (and video) with cut-out figures or object drawn on transparant film. The Dutch wiki is explaining it all.
I am sure the video is made with a similar technique. No fancy pants CGI.
 
Can't help but think if someone has a reasonably reliable method for summoning UFOs (as in alien spacecraft), it would be a good opportunity to invite others along with better cameras and other equipment so the visit could be definitively verified
(and we might learn something).

Might take some work- lay the ground first by persuading your bank manager, a local reporter, an off-duty police officer and maybe a physics lecturer or similar to witness a summoning event. Offer to buy them a meal and pay expenses if necessary.
Armed with their testimony, and your new bank loan, it should be easier getting the attention of national-level authorities, academia and news media for the subsequent big reveal.

Of course, for no doubt wholly understandable reasons that are currently obscure to us, the alien spacecraft might have a list of things to avoid in case their powers are impaired, a bit like how some things impede or deter spirits at seances, ESP sensitives, ghosts and various cryptids: Effective, professionally-operated recording equipment, photography experts, career conjurors/ magicians, most scientists/ people with relevant accredited expertise, SFX artists, any group of unrelated people who actually leave reliable contact details.

It may be that skeptics, and some here at Metabunk, are the sole reason humanity has not yet been accepted as a member of the Galactic Club.

When the aliens presence on Earth is irrefutably proven, which must be soon according to Luis Elizondo (although perhaps not before he writes another book telling us how imminent it is), and Robbert van de Broeke is vindicated, and we get the limitless free energy and interstellar craft that David Grusch's immature cargo cult privileged knowledge promises, some of us will have to hang our heads in shame.

We will have to live with knowing that if only we had been more open-minded and accepted the obvious truth, the Earth could have been on its way to being a star-faring utopia much sooner.
It will be a terrible burden to bear. (Bovvered? Nah :). Does that make me a bad person?)
 
John J. said:
Of course, for no doubt wholly understandable reasons that are currently obscure to us, the alien spacecraft might have a list of things to avoid in case their powers are impaired, a bit like how some things impede or deter spirits at seances, ESP sensitives, ghosts and various cryptids: Effective, professionally-operated recording equipment, photography experts, career conjurors/ magicians, most scientists/ people with relevant accredited expertise, SFX artists, any group of unrelated people who actually leave reliable contact details.
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It's nice to hear that our skeptic-fu is stronger than the magic powers of alien craft. I'll sleep better tonight!
 
Mendel said:
The aliens are scammers and only visit gullible planets?
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Yep, David Grusch got an email, via a retired colonel who got it from an NSA official who got it from someone under such deep cover that she doesn't know she works for the US Government and nor does anyone else saying

"I'm an alien prince with limitless free energy widgets to give away, and some working spacecraft.
All you need to do is persuade your government to disclose all its secrets, so the people can decide if any are about UFOs.
Oh, your bank details might be useful too."

On second thoughts, maybe they're not aliens. Just old-school Russian or Chinese agents.
 
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