Skywatcher Part II: "Mapping The Unknown"

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Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUthXIGUsq8


Looks like the usual collection of LIZ videos. Ballons, kites, birds, and planes all unclear.
 
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I don't have time for a fully analysis today, but just a quick rundown of the "Class 7: Jellyfish" since it was the one I found the funniest.

It's really hard to believe they aren't mostly filming balloons this time when they put footage like this of objects tumbling in the sky and then just add a footnote of "the wind wasn't blowing in that direction" without showing this in any way whatsoever.
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They also estimate the average jellyfish size is 5-7 meters though I'm not sure how they figured that one out, and proceed to show this
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Where people are measured in feet, the jellyfish in meters, and somehow the maximum 7 meters (22.96 feet) are taller than four 6ft tall humans (24 feet). This is mostly irrelevant since I have no idea how they even reached those size estimates and they do say "Approximate scale comparison", but I found it funny that they use meters, feet and the scale isn't even accurate despite it being so simple to get even somewhat right.
 
Hoping to see an obvious kite, just waded through that. Sadly, I don't see a definite one, there are two possibles:

The spinning tictac at 3:46 COULD be the rotating LED pattern on the night-flying delta kite we've seen before, they pan off of it suspiciously fast and don't give us much of a look at it. I am not SURE that is what it is, not sure I even think it likely is, but it COULD be -- compare to the center rotating bar on this one:


Source: https://youtu.be/No8MZc5D5D4?t=76

Note that there are a huge number of different display patterns for these kites, this one has extra lights around the perimeter that cost more, other kites would just have the central array that creates the spinning bar.

The second possible kite I noted was the tumbling manta ray at 24:15

I suspect this particular example is NOT a delta sport kite, but an object of that general manta shape tumbling about looks a lot like a sport kite being flown by somebody who is good at "trick flying," with that sort of tumble, as opposed to "precision flying" which is a smoother flowing style. An example of a delta sport kite "tricking" is here:

Source: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OhGSiJLJUb4?feature=share


Fliers often trick faster than this -- but the key thing with sport kites is that they are flown on relatively short lines and will seldom be so high that they are not recognizable as a kite. Somebody posting a tumbling sport kite as a tumbling UFO is probably not being, shall we say, strictly honest... which is not something I suspect much in this particular case, but bookmark it for the future of they talk a lot about tumbling manta ray UFOs.

PS: There is another category of tumbling kites, tumbling boxes, which can be cubes like this one or more elaborate snowflake shapes:

Source: https://youtu.be/ntWPcz6v-Ec?t=13
 
Mick West said:

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUthXIGUsq8


Looks like the usual collection of LIZ videos. Ballons, kites, birds, and planes all unclear.

(Apologizes for the short post, dinner time, more later)
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What nonsense. Got out my stopwatch, there was roughly 4 minutes of "live" uap video.
Mostly talking heads.
Virtually all of the UAP imagery could easily be faked by simply dropping things out of their helicopters and recording it as it falls.
In fact the degree of fuzzyness and the brightness of sky and UAP was surprizingly uniform through most of the video clips.
Emphasis on video clips, few of the video segments were more than a five seconds long, most were shorter.

Some nice video of their "secret" location, would be a shame if the next time they are out there were people on nearby hills also recording the UAP activity.
 
I don't see any UFOs in their footage. They need to lose the psionics and just try to detect floating stuff in the air, and see if they see the same stuff, which looks like airborne debris and balloons. I fell asleep through a good portion of the show and had to watch it a second time. Not good evidence. If folks don't have convincing evidence at this point, they need to desist until they do.
 
These might even be their trucks in Google Earth
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Actually, I think this ridge is the location of the helicopter shot and several other shots in the video. But it's clearly all in this area (as @flarkey found, weeks ago)
 
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If I believed these were some kind of anomalous craft, I would try to contact local airports to see if they had launched any balloons/radiosondes on dates that correlate to the sightings. Maybe they did but they don't mention it. Dr. Nolan mentioned a whitepaper around 06:30, so maybe we will get more data at some point. This felt like a pilot/pitch for a new History or Discovery channel show.
 
Is anyone familiar with Sondehub.org? They are a tracking site for radiosondes to assist with recovery efforts for crashed balloons. If we can access archived datasets we may be able to see some balloon activity near the area during the proposed timeframe.

https://sondehub.org/#!mt=Mapnik&mz=8&qm=1h&mc=31.99876,-106.05103

I have reached out to their support staff as I am unfamiliar with the data.

Here is an example of one over Fabens, TX which is right down the road from Mile High:

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RAS said:
Is anyone familiar with Sondehub.org? They are a tracking site for radiosondes to assist with recovery efforts for crashed balloons. If we can access archived datasets we may be able to see some balloon activity near the area during the proposed timeframe.

https://sondehub.org/#!mt=Mapnik&mz=8&qm=1h&mc=31.99876,-106.05103

I have reached out to their support staff as I am unfamiliar with the data.

Here is an example of one over Fabens, TX which is right down the road from Mile High:

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I'm aware of sondehub and habhub (High Altitude Balloon) but I don't think they offer playback.
 
Can anyone work out where this terrain is in the Mile High, TX area? If we can it would allow us to work out the range of their radar.

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It is at 1m46s in the video.
 
The house is a prefab/relocatable like this

The aerial shot does seem to show the plinth/steps/decking that surrounds it in the video.

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Let's not forget what Jake Barber admitted to in his recent Ross Coulthart interview about the release of this footage

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anything that might look like a balloon uh balloons tend to be the scapegoat when you don't have any other bucket to put it in we all like to use the balloon bucket and admittedly a lot of this stuff looks like a balloon like you
could take a mylar balloon and we've actually played with that in the field we launch our own balloons to see if we
can um can deep fake our own data by launching balloons and seeing if we could could manufacture something that looks like the anomalous stuff we're seeing and um balloons get ruled out pretty quickly uh when you take into account wind because balloons are uh are going to move pretty close to the vector or the direction of travel of the wind and pretty much at the velocity of the wind so as soon as you start moving um perpendicular to the wind or at any angle not directly downwind at velocity is different than the ambient wind velocity balloons get ruled out pretty quickly despite how much you want to believe that it's a balloon um because there are things there are classes that um look like it could be a balloon until it starts morphing and changing like balloons aren't going to change the way they look and their radar signature also is something that's pretty distinctive now I'm not one of our radar operators I'm I'm not I'm not an analyst for radar but I'm I'm in our tactical Operation Center when we're looking at this stuff and I can tell you that um the last thing any of us want is to look foolish by putting something out to the public and saying we think it's anomalous and then having it easily explained Away by all the armchair quarterbacks watching the internet around the world
 
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and um balloons get ruled out pretty quickly
From quote in Post 25 above.

I'd suggest that when you can see the freakin' string dangling under the kid's party balloon, you need to rule them back in.

Source: https://youtu.be/JUthXIGUsq8?t=939


And if you are close enough to get a shot where you can see the string, focus your camera or fly a few hundred feet closer and get a good shot of the balloon and rule it out of your data -- unless you WANT garbage in your data because you are making an entertainment show and the garbage looks cooler than anything you actually could not identify.

There's really no way you could shoot that from a helicopter and not discover what it was by flying towards it for a few seconds.
 
flarkey said:
Can anyone work out where this terrain is in the Mile High, TX area? If we can it would allow us to work out the range of their radar.

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It is at 1m46s in the video.
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For anyone who wants to take a crack at that, I've made an adjusted version of the image on the screen, so that it's proportionally correct for a 16:9 display, assuming that's what's in use in that clip of the video, for overlaying on an appropriate terrain image for comparison.

The white region at the top right represents the area of the screen that is out of shot.
 

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Any Helicopter pilots here know if there's anything wrong with the helicopter at 23 minutes into the video? And if so, are they familiar with that type of malfunction?

They claim the helicopter wouldn't move up, left, right or up which I'm of course skeptical of since it's implying some sort of force field. As with pretty much every weird thing in the video they just handwave it off on a 2-minute segment because they need to cram so much stuff into 30 minutes.
 
Calter said:
Any Helicopter pilots here know if there's anything wrong with the helicopter at 23 minutes into the video? And if so, are they familiar with that type of malfunction?

They claim the helicopter wouldn't move up, left, right or up which I'm of course skeptical of since it's implying some sort of force field.
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The pilot says that the collective was "frozen". This would prevent the helicopter from going up or down, and it would prevent it from flying a curve without losing altitude.
Article:
To increase or decrease overall lift requires that the controls alter the angle of attack for all blades collectively by equal amounts at the same time, resulting in ascent, descent, acceleration and deceleration.
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Helicopter pilot comment on "stuck collective":
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fortunately it's rather rare - in 40 years of flying, I've never heard of it actually happening.
The examples mentioned in that thread involve something stuck under the lever, which would prevent it from going down, but not from moving up.

Obviously the pilot could just fake a stuck collective by pretending to try to move the lever, but not actually moving it.

Which helicopter model is this?

If @Dave Beaty still has contact to that helicopter pilot, maybe he could ask about the malfunction?
 
Mendel said:
Which helicopter model is this?

If @Dave Beaty still has contact to that helicopter pilot, maybe he could ask about the malfunction?
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This is a Hughes 500 cockpit.

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So probably N865HS which is also operated by Charlie Helicopter Company out of El Paso which was in the video a few moments before:
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The sticker on the instrument panel seems to match the reg N865HS if you squint....
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flarkey said:
This is a Hughes 500 cockpit.
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Thank you!
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One of the best failure-free systems is used on the Hughes 500. It has Direct linkage from the pilot to the rotorblades , no hydraulics , servos , or electrics to fail. Bullet proof , light and safe and simple.

Meaning, to "freeze" the collective, aliens would have to mechanically hold the linkage. Or mind-control the pilot to not pull the lever—which presumably could also be achieved by humans with money.
 
Mendel said:
Thank you!
Article:
One of the best failure-free systems is used on the Hughes 500. It has Direct linkage from the pilot to the rotorblades , no hydraulics , servos , or electrics to fail. Bullet proof , light and safe and simple.

Meaning, to "freeze" the collective, aliens would have to mechanically hold the linkage. Or mind-control the pilot to not pull the lever—which presumably could also be achieved by humans with money.
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I would think that even a temporarily inoperable collective would ground the aircraft until a cause was found. However, listing "mind control" or "aliens siezed the controls" on the maintenance log would certainly raise some questions down the road.
 
Mendel said:
Meaning, to "freeze" the collective, aliens would have to mechanically hold the linkage. Or mind-control the pilot to not pull the lever—which presumably could also be achieved by humans with money.
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The alternative is the "force field" I mentioned, which I think is what Skywatcher implies when they say:

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Barber: Our helicopter launched and about a half mile out the helicopter stopped moving. Engines running, blades are turning, but it would not, go forward, it would not go up, it would not go left or right... It was stuck there.

Someone I don't know: So, we're kinda... imagine, like, a blanket above us and it's like it's like pressing us down
(22:02)

Obviously the idea that there's UFOs flying around with huge forcefields opens a gigantic can of worms and we would expect at least a couple of crashes a year, but maybe the UFO's spiritual energy allows it to detect intentions of anyone who approaches, who knows.
 
Calter said:
The alternative is the "force field"
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Another alternative is the "giant hand" illusion. That sounds silly, but it's a real thing, one of several illusions that pilots are subject to.

https://www.aviation.govt.nz/assets...vector-article-2018-1-illusions-in-flight.pdf
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Giant Hand Illusion, in which a pilot can feel as though the aircraft is unresponsive to inputs, as if held aloft by a giant hand.
A quarter of military helicopter pilots have reported it.

https://app.mevlanamedsci.org/uploa...ation-events-among-military-pilots-JNpjVr.pdf
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