Skinny bob videos?

April.

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Can someone explain how the aliens were made in the videos on this youtube channel? https://www.youtube.com/user/ivan0135 Seems too complicated to be cg or puppets. Some debunkers rush to claim it as debunked due to stock footage artificial aging, but that just seems to imply that it passed hands a few times, given the layered effect. I doubt the claimed story, but the footage looks legitimate to me.
 

Alphadunk

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We haven't discovered the source of the underlying video although the film grain/scratch overlay has been identified as well as the font used for the text overlay. Both of those things are modern creations and obviously added digitally.

The video is interesting though. It's quite complex with many set pieces and models. I think it's unlikely a single person created it digitally in 2010 but that remains a possibility. Some combination of live action with CG and puppets may be more likely. What I find interesting is that the creator went to all the work to make the underlying video but then slapped a stock overlay on it. Film grain overlays are easy to make, it's hard to believe someone would have the skills to make the video but not the overlay.

Regardless, we'll probably never find the true source of the video unless 'Ivan' reappears. There's a fairly active subreddit for Skinny Bob related discussion. Most people are pretty skeptical and the discussions are pretty sane most of the time.
 

deirdre

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I think it's unlikely a single person created it digitally in 2010 but that remains a possibility.
nah, those Blender heads (like Capt Disillusion) or Pixar workers could do that alone. and they often use stock add ons, usually because it isn't worth the time to make stuff from scratch. (although the space ship flying looks like an old movie scene ive seen... ill have to look into that)

obviously this movie released 2010 was made by a big team.. but the animations available are show cased. made with the Blender program.
Source: https://youtu.be/eRsGyueVLvQ?t=75
 

FatPhil

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I recommend attending the "shorts" sessions of any film festivals you can get to. Our local one typically manages to carry about 6-10 hours of shorts in its program. Non-negligible proportions of these films will be student diploma works. And occasionally someone with the right sense of humour will do something like the above. Solo. On next-to-zero budget.

Given the stiltedness of the English in those examples, I'd guess a non-native speaker made them. Of course, they'd want me to think that... ;-)
 

Buckaroo

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The animation showcased in these videos is not especially difficult or complex. There's obvious keyframing in the third video in particular - the motion screams "bezier curve" to me. And you can hide a LOT of deficiencies in your render by degrading it in post, which has clearly been done here, as mentioned above.
 

Alphadunk

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"Ivan" made the claim that he was given the source material and instructed to cut it into the segments he uploaded to YouTube. It's been speculated by the believers that these instructions included adding the overlay and possibly mucking with the framerate or speed, though there could be many explanations for the odd framerate/speed.

I'd agree with the other comments that it is likely a student film project or something similar. Probably not really a deliberate hoax for personal gain since "Ivan" has never reappeared and no one has ever taken credit for making the videos.

I do enjoy the way the alien blinks in the video though, I can't recall ever really seeing them blink in a human-like way in any movies or tv shows.
 

Cateash77

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Can someone explain how the aliens were made in the videos on this youtube channel? https://www.youtube.com/user/ivan0135 Seems too complicated to be cg or puppets. Some debunkers rush to claim it as debunked due to stock footage artificial aging, but that just seems to imply that it passed hands a few times, given the layered effect. I doubt the claimed story, but the footage looks legitimate to me.
The way the figure moves is very suggestive of puppetry. I second that it was probably made for a film school project etc. But regardless of origin I believe it's a puppet.
 

purpleivan

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To me it looks like CG (although I'd grant that puppetry is a possibilty) and the animators I work with would have no problem putting together the character animation component of the videos in an afternoon. Maybe a bit of the morning doing the rigging, which could be simplistic, due to the limitations of what the characters do (no detailed hand or facial movements) and the processing applied to the videos. Even I could do it given more time (it's not my speciality).

Overall the animation work doesn't look that good, as it's too stiff and lacks small scale movement that makes good CG more believable. This is something that could give it a puppetry like appearance, as both would have rigid, limited movement.

The heavily overdone film effects, especially the amount of blur and camera wobble applied, help to reduce the work involved as well, as it distorts and obfuscates the underlying render, so it didn't need to be particularly realistic in terms of lighting and materials.
 

gabelewis

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I had always assumed that it was promo material for a scrapped XCOM title.

The game that eventually became The Bureau: XCOM Declassified was originally debuted at E3 in 2010, but was ultimately completely re-tooled.

But if I had made cut scene's of this quality I would move heaven and earth to get them in the final product.
 

gabelewis

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The Skinny Bob videos are from 2011. Here's some random guy's demo reel from 2010 - you can see the type of facial, skeletal, and muscle rigging that was the norm back then.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcdtCmNEjFA

My random guess above was for sure assuming that this would have not been any sort of in-game engine material.
One fun coincidence - original developer 2K Australia studio head resign in February 2011, staff was partially off and partially reassigned in October of 2011. (Bob videos were posted in May 2011.)

It's worthwhile to demonstrate a full range of what was possible by 2011 in terms of CGI and editing. Here are is some digital replacement work from Hugo:
Source: https://youtu.be/pVQ6hiIPkvM?t=281


I find the Skinny Bob videos fascinating and have considered making an attempt to locate the creator. From what I have read there are next to no leads on the person who made it or the specific methods used to make the videos aside from the filters.

The detail on the movement of the eyelids in the Bob videos to me is the hardest element to get right, whether it be a puppet or a CGI rig.
 

deirdre

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The detail on the movement of the eyelids in the Bob videos to me is the hardest element to get right,
I'm not convinced it is right. The movement looks cool in one 1 second spot, but i think that is due to the shading and odd eyelid shape of the model.. not so much actual movement.
The eyelid itself doesnt seem to jive with the eye shape. as far as doing what real eyelids are supposed to do...wet the whole eye.

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almost end of blink

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some researchers say he has a normal human eye with black rings around it, but then the position of the eyelid is completely wrong. the eyelid would not be coming from the eyebrow.
But it would explain the odd eyelid shape. If you used a stock human form model (like i usually do) and modified it vs. starting the whole model from scratch.. perhaps the creator just used the human model eyelid and enlarged it a bit.

although i dont know if this photo enhancement is real, and i dont know the source.
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gabelewis

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The eyelid itself doesnt seem to jive with the eye shape. as far as doing what real eyelids are supposed to do...wet the whole eye.

The eyelid movement I am thinking of is the earlier one that is paired with hand gestures. Source: https://youtu.be/RsQCXN4o4Ps?t=27


If you look specifically at the eye brow - there is what *looks like* micro muscular movement. Most VFX artists will confirm that the some hardest things to fake are small details of muscle moving under skin. (see: corridor crew's VFX artists react series as an example.)

This is not me saying that the "footage" is real - but that kind of detail on a CG model would have been hard in 2011. Not impossible probably, but certainly would take a significant time investment.

Also, it has been mentioned in various places, but it's worth watching all 3 videos at between 1.5 and 2.0 speed. The timecode is closer to real time and the "footage" may have been slowed down for whatever reason.

If nothing else it's another way to analyze the videos.

If I had to guess - some kind of stop motion with animatronics? I really haven't figured it out. Everytime I look for details (aside from filters) that might give a clue or expose a flaw - I cannot find any major flaws in any of the detail in the images.

Here's an example: I had originally thought maybe there was some odd artifacts in this frame, but it turns out that the shot is showing the "alien" under a stadiometer. The shadow details on the head are perfect as far as I can tell.

The shadow moves realistically with the subject. You can also see what appears to be subjects head "pulsating" for lack of a better term.

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Honestly this is among the most impressive hoax videos in existence and the dedication of the OP to never come forward is a puzzle.
 

deirdre

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If you look specifically at the eye brow - there is what *looks like* micro muscular movement. Most VFX artists will confirm that the some hardest things to fake are small details of muscle moving under skin. (see: corridor crew's VFX artists react series as an example.)
yea that's the bit i am wondering if it's just the shading of the model moving in the light and tricking our eye. It is freaky cool looking but if you snap the movement, i'm not sure the brow IS actually moving. I should probably try an overlap at some point..I'm so bad at that slider thing and not even sure the new software version has it.


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Honestly this is among the most impressive hoax videos
It's a pretty cool little film project for sure.
 

purpleivan

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The eyelid movement I am thinking of is the earlier one that is paired with hand gestures. Source: https://youtu.be/RsQCXN4o4Ps?t=27


If you look specifically at the eye brow - there is what *looks like* micro muscular movement. Most VFX artists will confirm that the some hardest things to fake are small details of muscle moving under skin. (see: corridor crew's VFX artists react series as an example.)

This is not me saying that the "footage" is real - but that kind of detail on a CG model would have been hard in 2011. Not impossible probably, but certainly would take a significant time investment.

Also, it has been mentioned in various places, but it's worth watching all 3 videos at between 1.5 and 2.0 speed. The timecode is closer to real time and the "footage" may have been slowed down for whatever reason.

If nothing else it's another way to analyze the videos.

If I had to guess - some kind of stop motion with animatronics? I really haven't figured it out. Everytime I look for details (aside from filters) that might give a clue or expose a flaw - I cannot find any major flaws in any of the detail in the images.

Here's an example: I had originally thought maybe there was some odd artifacts in this frame, but it turns out that the shot is showing the "alien" under a stadiometer. The shadow details on the head are perfect as far as I can tell.

The shadow moves realistically with the subject. You can also see what appears to be subjects head "pulsating" for lack of a better term.

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Honestly this is among the most impressive hoax videos in existence and the dedication of the OP to never come forward is a puzzle.
Looking at the video again, I'm still seeing some very simple animation, with a huge amount of processing on top that at time tricks the eye into seeing detail that's not really there. For example the "micro animation" is simple an artifact of that processing.

The animation itself is pretty wooden and the animators I work with wouldn't want to put their name to it.
 

gabelewis

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Looking at the video again, I'm still seeing some very simple animation, with a huge amount of processing on top that at time tricks the eye into seeing detail that's not really there. For example the "micro animation" is simple an artifact of that processing.

The animation itself is pretty wooden and the animators I work with wouldn't want to put their name to it.

Would they have wanted to put their name on it circa 2011? I've been seeking out examples from both high and low-budget sources around that time to compare. Part of the reason for that is to identify work that maybe has some similarities, the other part is I find this more impressive than a lot of high budget work from the same period. Maybe that's just because I'm not a professional animator! The filter work could absolutely be fooling me.

Also curious: did you ever try upping the playback speed to 1.5x or 2.0x? That appears to be closer to the original intended frame rate and the motion IMO looks more natural at that speed. It's worth a try even if it doesn't really add any new information in terms of methods.

I have also read several VFX artists who feel there's not enough information to confirm the methods used here. It's also possible that those folks are misinterpreting things introduced by non-animated elements.

I appreciate your engagement on the topic.

I'm considering spending some time to more thoroughly research because I think telling the Skinny Bob story in print or podcast form would be fun. Especially if I can eventually identify the creator.
 

purpleivan

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Would they have wanted to put their name on it circa 2011? I've been seeking out examples from both high and low-budget sources around that time to compare. Part of the reason for that is to identify work that maybe has some similarities, the other part is I find this more impressive than a lot of high budget work from the same period. Maybe that's just because I'm not a professional animator! The filter work could absolutely be fooling me.

Also curious: did you ever try upping the playback speed to 1.5x or 2.0x? That appears to be closer to the original intended frame rate and the motion IMO looks more natural at that speed. It's worth a try even if it doesn't really add any new information in terms of methods.

I have also read several VFX artists who feel there's not enough information to confirm the methods used here. It's also possible that those folks are misinterpreting things introduced by non-animated elements.

I appreciate your engagement on the topic.

I'm considering spending some time to more thoroughly research because I think telling the Skinny Bob story in print or podcast form would be fun. Especially if I can eventually identify the creator.
The animation quality isn't particularly good for 2011 either. The fundamentals of animation haven't changed much since then, certainly for something of the limited complexity shown in those videos. The animation is very simple and very limited (a short clip of simple head and eye, with upper body movement and a walk cycle).

These videos show some very simple animation, to the extent that I could do it (and have done similar in the past) even though I'm not specialised as an animator (as a lead artist I organise them, but don't do character animation myself now), which is being lent additional "quality" by an abundance of video processing.

The game I'm working on right now, which is being made by an independant studio on a small budget, has better quality animation than appears in these video clips, with a greater quantity than that seen in them, being made daily.
 

Ravi

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What I find more interesting about Skinny Bob is that he has a head the size of a planet, but still tiny weeny little neck muscles. It just does not make sense. He will have a floppy head all the time, struggling to keep this 10kg off mass upright. :D
 

gabelewis

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What I find more interesting about Skinny Bob is that he has a head the size of a planet, but still tiny weeny little neck muscles. It just does not make sense. He will have a floppy head all the time, struggling to keep this 10kg off mass upright. :D

His TMJ issues would be... out of this world.

I'll see myself out.
 

Vaeltaja

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I am sure it would be almost easier to find the stock footage the creator was using to make the film grain effect to this. It's part of color grading and the noise typically is made with some overlay effect. Something like this one could be used for it. Of course you would need to make this video negative and blur it with the software.

Another easy method to detect fake is to see if all of his videos are having the same noise and dust patterns. That would reveal that he was using the same stock footage for the noise.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_MZb7qTenE
 
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Max Phalange

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Another easy method to detect fake is to see if all of his videos are having the same noise and dust patterns. That would reveal that he was using the same stock footage for the noise.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_MZb7qTenE
That's all pretty well established at this point. If you go to the r/skinnybob subreddit and sort by top posts of all time, the first two or three discuss tracking down the effects used.

I won't quote the swathes of discussion, but one of the posters made this video demonstration:
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(Note that some of the clips are from parts of the "Ivan" videos that don't contain the alien itself).
 

Alphadunk

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The case for the grain overlay from pond5 is rock solid IMO. There is really no question that is the exact overlay used.

/r/Skinnybob is a pretty fun sub to read. There are a few true believers there but also plenty of skeptics who just want to find the source of the footage once and for all. Once the overlay was discovered most of the discussion shifted towards identifying the underlying footage. While the character animation is rudimentary the videos still display a fairly wide variety of set pieces and models. It's certainly not the type of thing you could toss together in a few minutes like so many posters here have boldly asserted. Rigging the characters is a minor part of the work involved in a video like this, the modeling and texturing would take considerably more time & talent.

I'm not convinced the entire thing is CG. The clip looking out towards a farm/road is something a lot of people have tried to find. The presumption is that the creator took existing video footage and inserted CGI on top of it, then obfuscated that with the overlay, speed, noise, etc. Not sure if it has been mentioned yet but the footage was featured in a Russian UFO documentary that aired just a few months after the Bob videos appeared on YouTube. It could be just a coincidence but I've wondered if searches by someone fluent in Russian might yield more interesting leads on the creator.

The enhancements shown a few posts back are indeed "real" in that they come from manipulating various parameters of the actual video. Here's a quick one I put together. I don't think the added detail is a trick of the imagination, I think whoever modeled the character put those details in. They did a good job with it IMO, better than many Greys we've seen in movies or on tv.

 

deirdre

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The clip looking out towards a farm/road is something a lot of people have tried to find.
the one where the car is driving and filming the house? I think the camera stays too focused on the house, instead of moving properly with the UFO. (it looks though like the houses we have down south...do they have warp around porches in Russia? <that's a question, i dont know.)
It reminds me of this place in Louisiana:
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skinny bobs only has 2 dormers though
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Alphadunk

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the one where the car is driving and filming the house? I think the camera stays too focused on the house, instead of moving properly with the UFO. (it looks though like the houses we have down south...do they have warp around porches in Russia? <that's a question, i dont know.)
It reminds me of this place in Louisiana:
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Yeah exactly! There are a few guys on the sub who have tried to get a match by looking at Google/Bing imagery of Louisiana and the Mississippi Delta area but that seems like too much of a needle in the haystack situation for me. You'd also have to account for the possibility the creator used old footage. Old footage, especially, can prove problematic since so little of it has ever entered the digital realm.

I haven't followed those threads super closely but it seemed the general consensus was that the setting shown in the video most closely lines up with the American south although a few people were trying to make the case that similar architecture can be found in Germany and Russia. Pretty fun mystery either way, the Skinny Bob stuff doesn't seem to make people quite as angry as the Navy videos lol
 

deirdre

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There are a few guys on the sub who have tried to get a match by looking at Google/Bing imagery of Louisiana and the Mississippi Delta area
ah! that maybe explains why the house was on my google image page when looking for the skinny bob pic with the human eyes showing. because others had maybe posted it to other forums. i thought it was weird... i saw it and thought "huh. that house looks like the Skinny Bob video" lol.
 

LorentzHall

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"Ivan" made the claim that he was given the source material and instructed to cut it into the segments he uploaded to YouTube.

The animation quality isn't particularly good for 2011 either.

Is it possible Ivan is telling the truth, and the videos were in fact given to him?

If so: could the original animation have been made long ago, and the film grain & fonts added much later?

Richard Doty, a former Air Force OSI disinformation agent likely behind the MJ-12 documents and the "Project Serpo" conspiracy, seems a little too familiar & accepting of Skinny Bob for my liking...

 

Alphadunk

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Is it possible Ivan is telling the truth, and the videos were in fact given to him?

If so: could the original animation have been made long ago, and the film grain & fonts added much later?

Yeah that's the gist of the theory those who believe in the video propose. That the underlying video is real but the grain overlay & fonts were added digitally before dissemination to YouTube. There are also strong indicators the playback speed of the underlying video has been altered.

Personally I enjoy the video regardless of its provenance. I've never seen anyone animate an "alien" quite like that, with the blinking and head movements. It's interesting, artistically. Over the years many people have bravely asserted how simple it would be to create a video like Skinny Bob but no one has ever put their money where their mouth is and tried to recreate it as far as I'm aware. It's my opinion this wasn't a simple weekend project thrown together in a few hours. Someone, or several people, put a lot of care and effort into the video.
 
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OccamsGhost

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It looks like it was made with Poser 5-7ish.
I used a very similar alien Poser character that I downloaded for free from Daz Studios in 2011.

Actually was very easy to edit the head shape and and face attributes. There were many free alien models, and I have at least 2 of the originals somewhere in my archives still.

That timestamp and projector noise though ;)

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gabelewis

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It looks like it was made with Poser 5-7ish.
I used a very similar alien Poser character that I downloaded for free from Daz Studios in 2011.

Actually was very easy to edit the head shape and and face attributes. There were many free alien models, and I have at least 2 of the originals somewhere in my archives still.

That timestamp and projector noise though ;)

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Yeah dude looks identical. EDIT: That was snarky, but I honestly think people are way too dismissive of the effort one would have to go through to produce the SkinnyBob videos.

I've never seen anyone demonstrate their claim of how easily they or their students could make it. Let alone where they would get the background footage from a source that could not be traced etc.

Again I am not a believer but I think if you wanted to definitively prove to someone who did believe - you'd need to try a little harder than the clip art character.

EDIT2: I encourage anyone to go visit the channel of the original poster ivan0315 and watch all of the videos there. It will take you 8 minutes to watch them all twice. https://www.youtube.com/user/ivan0135

There are nuances that are admirable. If nothing else creating content and making it impossible to identify the creator or uploader is impressive in its own right.
 
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OccamsGhost

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Yeah dude looks identical. EDIT: That was snarky, but I honestly think people are way too dismissive of the effort one would have to go through to produce the SkinnyBob videos.

I've never seen anyone demonstrate their claim of how easily they or their students could make it. Let alone where they would get the background footage from a source that could not be traced etc.

Again I am not a believer but I think if you wanted to definitively prove to someone who did believe - you'd need to try a little harder than the clip art character.

EDIT2: I encourage anyone to go visit the channel of the original poster ivan0315 and watch all of the videos there. It will take you 8 minutes to watch them all twice. https://www.youtube.com/user/ivan0135

There are nuances that are admirable. If nothing else creating content and making it impossible to identify the creator or uploader is impressive in its own right.
I'm not trying to prove anything, just making an observation.
Are you familiar with the old Poser software? Those Bob clips don't look very complicated to me.
 

Alphadunk

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Those Bob clips don't look very complicated to me.

So many have said this yet no one has ever tried to prove the point as far as I'm aware. :) Just to reiterate, we're not saying we think the video is "real" we're simply saying the videos are more complex than people initially assume upon first watch. I don't think the videos were thrown together in a weekend by a single person, if that makes sense.
 

gabelewis

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I'm not trying to prove anything, just making an observation.
Are you familiar with the old Poser software? Those Bob clips don't look very complicated to me.
Completely ignoring film grain and overlay effects: explain step by step how you would make this: Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB788PtqQvg&ab_channel=ivan0135


Remember, you have to do so in a way that makes it difficult or next to impossible to determine where you got the original footage before you added the saucers. Really take a close look, there is a really impressive amount of detail in the crashed saucer scene. Is that whole image one 3D rendered environment? A lot of techniques were used - even if you assume all that was done was do some editing on some old time-y found footage and making a 3D rendered scene.

Compared to this:
Source: https://youtu.be/Jx0XeUHij2w


I think it's laughable.

I mean seriously. Give the creator like, a tiny bit of credit that they made a set of videos that are creepy, entertaining, and managed to fool a not insignificant number of people.

LOL:
Source: https://youtu.be/dXoy2DUiqG4

To my eyes the idea of trying to make any of the SkinnyBob videos in Poser does not track.

Source: https://youtu.be/a6TLGkrfNKI


Multiple moving characters, convincing walk animation, convincing animation of the blinking eyes. Really solid work on facial animations is mostly happening on high level work at this time. I think the folks that are dismissive of the facial work on the 3 videos are underestimating the time it would take to even accidentally make the muscle work look convincing.

The main skinnybob video being the best example - having eyelids move with eyebrows fluidly in a way that reflects how the muscle tissue under those features actually works - is something that professional artists still struggle with.

See: Superman's mustache if you'd like an example of how even millions of dollars cannot solve some VFX problems
Source: https://youtu.be/3yKoE9Tld10


Most VFX artists I've heard from will not hesitate to stress how time intensive even the shortest hand animated segments are.

It benefits from being short/blurry/grainy shakeycam - but they are short on the super obvious tells that are standard for different forms of CGI and well known by even casual media consumers.
 
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gabelewis

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So many have said this yet no one has ever tried to prove the point as far as I'm aware. :) Just to reiterate, we're not saying we think the video is "real" we're simply saying the videos are more complex than people initially assume upon first watch. I don't think the videos were thrown together in a weekend by a single person, if that makes sense.
My best guess is that this was some sort of pre-visual material for a project that never got off the ground. It would explain the level in detail in certain areas while its lacking in others, and why the clips are short to the point of being confusing (why spend the time to do all the background work and then only use it for a handful of frames.)

I'm currently looking around at cancelled media projects from the time period for any potential connections but haven't located anything yet.
 

Alphadunk

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My best guess is that this was some sort of pre-visual material for a project that never got off the ground.

That's been my inclination too. It may have even been made by a professional studio. One thing that might help in your search, the videos were used in a Russian UFO documentary that came out less than a year after they were uploaded to YouTube. It's possible the videos really do have a Russian origin which may be part of why it's been hard to track down.

More info here (ignore the title, the original claim was debunked): Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/SkinnyBob/comments/m593az/i_have_hit_the_motherload_russian_documentary/
 
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OccamsGhost

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Poser had a walk designer plugin to make it easy, that's not new. I don't see impressive detail, I see layers of filters and/or overlays that make the scenes muddy.
I don't own Poser anymore. But even using someone else's existing test footage and images, I threw this together this morning in a couple hours. Need it darker and blurrier?
Source: https://youtu.be/-5TM9apZYcM
 

NilbogBackwards

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We haven't discovered the source of the underlying video although the film grain/scratch overlay has been identified as well as the font used for the text overlay. Both of those things are modern creations and obviously added digitally.

The video is interesting though. It's quite complex with many set pieces and models. I think it's unlikely a single person created it digitally in 2010 but that remains a possibility. Some combination of live action with CG and puppets may be more likely. What I find interesting is that the creator went to all the work to make the underlying video but then slapped a stock overlay on it. Film grain overlays are easy to make, it's hard to believe someone would have the skills to make the video but not the overlay.

Regardless, we'll probably never find the true source of the video unless 'Ivan' reappears. There's a fairly active subreddit for Skinny Bob related discussion. Most people are pretty skeptical and the discussions are pretty sane most of the time.

I hadn't heard of this case before, or forgot about it. I punched ivan's youtube channel into the internet archive and found some comments on the original videos claiming Ivan was actually somebody previously called 351NOVA who had uploaded similar videos that ended up being from a movie or something. Can't find much mention of 351NOVA in Google or the sub reddit. Has anyone here looked deeper into this connection?

https://web.archive.org/web/20110507124352/https://www.youtube.com/user/ivan0135

Edit to add: there are a fair amount of mentions of 351Nova on google after all, but most are pretty old. To me the similarity of the usernames is too much of a coincidence.
 
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gabelewis

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I just disagree with your judgement on the quality of the base images I guess. If you don't see the differences in quality it I'm not going to be able to explain it in a forum and there is no need to discuss it further.
 

Alphadunk

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Yeah for sure. I just mean we've never been able to determine if there is anything to the Russian connection. I'm not knowledgeable on Russian internet habits, I wonder if there are any video hosting sites where the videos may have appeared before YouTube?
 

gabelewis

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Yeah for sure. I just mean we've never been able to determine if there is anything to the Russian connection. I'm not knowledgeable on Russian internet habits, I wonder if there are any video hosting sites where the videos may have appeared before YouTube?
From the small amount of research I did - I wasn't able to track down a great of Russia specific social media/forums but it could just be the limitations of search tools trying to calibrate information from different language sources. Most Russian's seem to use the same mainstream social media that we use (facebook, youtube, twitter etc.)
 
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