Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing on AARO and UAP

[Mick West]

Live video at 4:30P ET, 1:30 Pacific, (9:30 GMT)
https://www.armed-services.senate.g...s-of-the-all-domain-anomaly-resolution-office

This will just be Dr. Jon T. Kosloski, Director of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office. He has said that AARO will be releasing some video in conjunction with this hearing, and hopefully some analysis.

Article:

Nov. 14, 2024​

Q: I have to ask a broadcast specific question, but do you anticipate releasing any video related to any of the cases that were ruled out or that are still unexplained?

DR. KOSLOSKI: So we're going to be — we have some resolved cases that are of public interest that have been talked about publicly that will be releasing on the 19th. I think those are going to come with videos? Yes. And then, as we downgrade information, the hope is that we will be able to release as much of that content as we can to the public so that we can get help in resolving them. Yes.

Source: https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3965734/dr-jon-kosloski-director-aaro-media-roundtable-on-the-fy24-consolidated-annual/

 

[jarlrmai]

I'm out tonight, this could be interesting.

 

[tjskep]

Live video at 4:30P ET, 1:30 Pacific, (9:30 GMT)
https://www.armed-services.senate.g...s-of-the-all-domain-anomaly-resolution-office

This will just be Dr. Jon T. Kosloski, Director of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office. He has said that AARO will be releasing some video in conjunction with this hearing, and hopefully some analysis.

Article:

Nov. 14, 2024​

Q: I have to ask a broadcast specific question, but do you anticipate releasing any video related to any of the cases that were ruled out or that are still unexplained?

DR. KOSLOSKI: So we're going to be — we have some resolved cases that are of public interest that have been talked about publicly that will be releasing on the 19th. I think those are going to come with videos? Yes. And then, as we downgrade information, the hope is that we will be able to release as much of that content as we can to the public so that we can get help in resolving them. Yes.

Source: https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3965734/dr-jon-kosloski-director-aaro-media-roundtable-on-the-fy24-consolidated-annual/

So ARRO is going to release some resolved and unresolved videos for people to help examine and explain?

 

[Mick West]

So ARRO is going to release some resolved and unresolved videos for people to help examine and explain?

I think they are going to release some resolved ones today, and he hopes that they can release unsolved ones later.

The videos might not all be new, I'm hopefull they will release their Aguadilla analysis, and maybe even Gimbal.

 

[JMartJr]

Confirmation of those would be satisfying, but I'd be more interested if they could firmly identify some where the "debunk" is less well established, say, the aircraft seen in "Flir1/TicTac/Nimitz."

It would also be super helpful if, at some point, they could release something along the lines of "Hey, public, as you see new videos and pictures in the future, here are some things you can look for to spot fake ones or to identify some of the common objects presented as UFOs." (Just mentioning it in case they are reading this thread later today to see what MB thinks of their hearing! ^_^)

 

[Harabeck]

It would also be super helpful if, at some point, they could release something along the lines of "Hey, public, as you see new videos and pictures in the future, here are some things you can look for to spot fake ones or to identify some of the common objects presented as UFOs." (Just mentioning it in case they are reading this thread later today to see what MB thinks of their hearing! ^_^)

Well their resources page does have a paper: Effect of Forced Perspective and Parallax View on UAP Observations

It's a little on the basic side after reading through threads here, but hopefully it does signal intent to help inform the public about such issues.

 

[jarlrmai]

Well it started..

 

[jarlrmai]

Aguadilla

 

[PacketSniffer5000]

Straightforward candid briefing covering a lot of the debunking done here. He gave three examples of unresolved anomalies "which merit further analysis" but which lack substantiating data at the moment, of which two it seems are based on witness testimony only as they don't mention dashcams, phones, or radar correlations.

First of the two is a law enforcement officer "out west" who spotted an object that he approached in his vehicle in conditions of good visibility (surely a squad car has a dashcam). At first it was a bright orange orb several hundred feet up, which he approached until underneath. It was the size of a Prius, but now a black object which tiled 45 degrees and then shot up into the sky with blue and red light.

Second is from South East US outside a government facility, around 9am, white cylinder the size of a commercial airplane, stationary for 15-20 seconds before just disappearing, two witnesses at least as two vehicles were mentioned leaving the site whose occupants gave the testimony.

Third seems to be that video of an object passing between two airplanes shown in a prior briefing? They believe the object was further away than thought earlier but awaiting more data.

 

[Mick West]

The three "anomalous" cases

Three cases that merit analysis that we're working on right now. One we might be in the process of resolving, but nonetheless, is still interesting. The first one was brought to us by a law enforcement officer out west where he observed a large orange orb floating several 100 feet above the ground. A couple miles away. He went to investigate what was going on with that or and as he was pulling up to the location where he thought would be below the orb, about 40 to 60 meters away from some object that was the area was well lit, he saw a blacker than black object. He said it was about the size of a Prius, four to six feet wide. And as he got 40 to 60 meters away from the object, it tilted up about 45 about 45 degrees, and then it shot up vertically, he says, 10 to 100 times faster than any drone he's ever seen before. And it did that without making a sound, as far as he could tell from inside of his vehicle. And just as it left his field of view through his windshield, then it emitted very bright red and blue lights that he limited illuminated the inside of his vehicle as brightly as as if someone had set off fireworks just outside his vehicle, or street flares. So that's anomalous because of the size of the vehicle with the great acceleration, and when he came back to investigate that area, he found no disturbance of the ground beneath it. So that's one interesting one.

Another one comes to us from southeast us. There was a US facility where two cars of government contractors were leaving the facility around nine o'clock in the morning. They looked up in the sky and saw a large metallic cylinder about the size of a commercial airplane, and it was stationary. They observed that there was a very bright white light behind or around the object. They saw it stationary for 15 to 20 seconds, and then it disappeared. Obviously, an object that large stationary, unless it's a blimp, is unusual, but then disappearing, we can't explain how that would happen.

And then the last case was interesting. We had a aircraft that was flying parallel to another aircraft, and it was capturing imagery of it, and a small looking object appeared to fly between the two of them much faster than them. Through very careful analysis, we think that the object might have actually been further away than the object that it was video taping, but it requires very careful analysis to come to those conclusions, and we don't have the metadata to support that yet.

 

[ced0412]

The three "anomalous" cases

Three cases that merit analysis that we're working on right now. One we might be in the process of resolving, but nonetheless, is still interesting. The first one was brought to us by a law enforcement officer out west where he observed a large orange orb floating several 100 feet above the ground. A couple miles away. He went to investigate what was going on with that or and as he was pulling up to the location where he thought would be below the orb, about 40 to 60 meters away from some object that was the area was well lit, he saw a blacker than black object. He said it was about the size of a Prius, four to six feet wide. And as he got 40 to 60 meters away from the object, it tilted up about 45 about 45 degrees, and then it shot up vertically, he says, 10 to 100 times faster than any drone he's ever seen before. And it did that without making a sound, as far as he could tell from inside of his vehicle. And just as it left his field of view through his windshield, then it emitted very bright red and blue lights that he limited illuminated the inside of his vehicle as brightly as as if someone had set off fireworks just outside his vehicle, or street flares. So that's anomalous because of the size of the vehicle with the great acceleration, and when he came back to investigate that area, he found no disturbance of the ground beneath it. So that's one interesting one.

Another one comes to us from southeast us. There was a US facility where two cars of government contractors were leaving the facility around nine o'clock in the morning. They looked up in the sky and saw a large metallic cylinder about the size of a commercial airplane, and it was stationary. They observed that there was a very bright white light behind or around the object. They saw it stationary for 15 to 20 seconds, and then it disappeared. Obviously, an object that large stationary, unless it's a blimp, is unusual, but then disappearing, we can't explain how that would happen.

And then the last case was interesting. We had a aircraft that was flying parallel to another aircraft, and it was capturing imagery of it, and a small looking object appeared to fly between the two of them much faster than them. Through very careful analysis, we think that the object might have actually been further away than the object that it was video taping, but it requires very careful analysis to come to those conclusions, and we don't have the metadata to support that yet.

Really bothered me no one asked if they have video to go with the witness accounts on the first two. I would assume so otherwise there's nothing interesting about stories.

I don't have the transcript handy but another good tidbit from this was Gillibrand referring to the Langley incidents as UAS and not UAP.

 

[Mick West]

I don't have the transcript handy but another good tidbit from this was Gillibrand referring to the Langley incidents as UAS and not UAP.

Yeah, she was quite specific that these were UAS (drones) and not UAP (unidentified). She even said it was not their responsibility (as the ufologists had forbidden AARO from investigating anything identifiable), but she hoped they could still help.

 

[John J.]

...white cylinder the size of a commercial airplane

Nit-picking, but if AARO is directly quoting the claimed witnesses, perhaps it should be in quotes, "the size of a commercial airplane". If it is AARO's choice of wording, it's a bit problematic.

On reading the phrase, my interpretation/ first impression is something about the size of some generic passenger airliner, bigger than (say) an old Douglas DC-3 but maybe smaller than a Boeing 747 (else they'd have said "...the size of a jumbo jet" or something similar).
That might have been what was intended by the witnesses, but we don't know. If AARO questioned them, perhaps a more specific description of estimated size could have been asked for.

A commercial airplane (as opposed to "airliner", in the common usage of that term) could be anything between e.g. a Cessna 150 (length 23' 11", 7.29 m, wingspan 33' 2", 10.11 m) and a Boeing 747-8 or Airbus A380 (A380 length 238' 7", 72.72 m, span 261' 8", 79.75 m).

And as has been explained many times on this forum, it's very difficult to assess the size of an unfamiliar object, particularly if it's in the sky, when its speed and distance are unknown- and that's assuming that there was a discrete physical object to be seen (and not, say, sunlight through a gap in dense cloud, or a reflection of a ground-based lightsource on cloud).

 

[Ann K]

Those descriptions are full of sizes and distances, none of which were actually KNOWN but all of which were estimates. In other words ...they could all be wrong, and we have no way to estimate even how wrong they might be, even within an order of magnitude.

 

[NorCal Dave]

We had a aircraft that was flying parallel to another aircraft, and it was capturing imagery of it,

and a small looking object appeared to fly between the two of them much faster than them.

Through very careful analysis, we think that the object might have actually been further away than the object that it was video taping

The object is off in the distance, and could be another aircraft moving faster or is much smaller or both and some parallax?

Didn't we have one like this not too long ago? At least 1 "object" filmed out the window of another aircraft that turned out to be just another commercial aircraft. But I thought there was one with an obvious aircraft being filmed out the window of an aircraft and then a smaller further aircraft going in roughly the opposite direction appeared as a TicTac like object? It too was just a commercial aircraft. I must be confabulating.

 

[JMartJr]

Aguadilla

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So that pretty much matches the work done here on that case:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ag...-ufos-probably-hot-air-wedding-lanterns.8952/
and

Source: https://youtu.be/0fho4YyXWfE?t=1024


As did the "official" finding that "Go Fast" was a slow moving object with the apparent speed caused by parallax:

Kosloski also offered how his office was able to close the case on the infamous GOFAST video, shot by a U.S. Navy fighter jet in 2016 off the coast of Florida. In that case, the object's apparent speed in the video was actually due to the parallax effect, or the camera's perspective, Kosloski explained.

Source: https://www.space.com/space-explora...ry-anomalous-objects-need-careful-study-video, about 1/4 of the way down the page...
which confirms conclusions here:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/go-fast-footage-from-tom-delonges-to-the-stars-academy-bird-balloon.9569/

We should keep track of how often the officials eventually come to the same conclusion MB did much earlier -- I'll not claim credit for any of that, it's all y'all, unless and until they solve one of our kite cases... then I might take partial credit!

(Does this need to start a new thread? Or if it feels like unseemly boasting we could skip it... but I'm Ok with some SEEMLY boasting, now and then.)