Sandy, Evan, Oswald... Weather Warfare?

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subhumn

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I have been doing quite a lot of research into weather and environmental modification and I would like to invite people to read the articles provided. I believe that Sandy, Evan and Oswald may have been manufactured.

Article #1: The unusual nature of Hurricane Sandy
http://weatherwarfare.worldatwar.info/2012/11/hurricanesandy/

Governments are using and testing weather modification technology without our knowledge. This is due to the fact that ENMOD banned the use and not the research or possession of environmental modification techniques. The problem we have is that it is easy to cheat this prohibition. Weather modification has no source. You know someone is responsible when something gets bombed, but how do we know someone is responsible if a city gets flooded?

Article #2: Why am I so concerned?
http://weatherwarfare.worldatwar.info/2012/12/why-am-i-so-concerned/

NASA states that:

“Even small changes in the abundance or location of clouds could change the climate more than the anticipated changes caused by greenhouse gases, human-produced aerosols, or other factors associated with global change.“

Weather modification has a great deal more of an effect on climate then carbon. Why isn't this effect discussed publicly? Why isn't the effect of weather modification on climate part of the climate change debate?

Article #3: Cyclone Evan and the Carbon Conspiracy
http://weatherwarfare.worldatwar.info/2012/12/cyclone-evan-has-a-weird-and-peculiar-track/

Article #4: Cyclone Oswald and ENMOD
http://weatherwarfare.worldatwar.info/2013/02/cyclone-oswald-and-enmod/

It is important that we expose the effect of weather and environmental modification on our planet. In time we could expose the unusual nature of storms and then possibility that storms may be manufactured. I am sure we could do this slowly, without pointing fingers, without starting war, but I think we need to do it now. The longer it takes, the worse it gets.
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
Boil it down for us. Pare it to the minimum.

List the top three pieces of meteorological evidence that leads you to believe that hurricane Sandy was not a naturally formed storm or was influenced by human means.

Not history, not speculation, not suspicion. I want to see the actual meteorological facts analyzed.

Oh, one minute on your site lets me know you should be reading this.
 
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solrey

Senior Member.
I have been doing quite a lot of research into weather and environmental modification...

Have you spent any time in the formal study of meteorology or any of the other atmospheric sciences?

In time we could expose the unusual nature of storms and then possibility that storms may be manufactured.

What do you consider to be the best evidence that a storm was manufactured or was otherwise of "unusual nature"?

Sandy's path was solely the product of steering winds and the forecast was exceptionally accurate. Sandy's tidal surge was devastating only because the storm made landfall at high tide during a full moon in a region with extremely high population density.

Is that your blog you referred to?
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
I have been doing quite a lot of research into weather and environmental modification and I would like to invite people to read the articles provided. I believe that Sandy, Evan and Oswald may have been manufactured.

I'm sure you are aware that yesterday NOAA released their assessment of Hurricane Sandy.
It doesn't mention anything about weather modification being involved.

Please critique their report and list the top five facts they got wrong.
 

subhumn

New Member
Boil it down for us. Pare it to the minimum.

List the top three pieces of meteorological evidence that leads you to believe that hurricane Sandy was not a naturally formed storm or was influenced by human means.

Not history, not speculation, not suspicion. I want to see the actual meteorological facts analyzed.

Oh, one minute on your site lets me know you should be reading this.

List and Explanation of Hurricane Sandy Unusual Occurrences and Coincidences

All coincidences are sourced on the sources page of this website, these occurrences make Sandy a major weather anomaly.

#1 – Hurricane Sandy was the largest Atlantic hurricane ever recorded. (as measured by diameter with winds spanning 1,100 miles (1,800 km)).

#2 – If you look at the topography, when the storm reaches North America it continues to stay the around the same distance away from the coastline. (It is very rare that coastline effects the path of a storm. It seems that coastline had a lot to play in the track of this storm. Note the size of the North American coastline and this sheer distance of coastline that effected Super-storm Sandy).

#3 – The storm curves with with the coastline of North Carolina, South Carolina and Florida. (Once again, it is very rare that coastline effects the path of a storm, let alone curves with the coastline of a continent).

#4 – The storm speeds up just as it heads for New Jersey. (From the start, the storm moved at a steady rate and then just before the major catastrophe of the storm, it speeds up, just before it circles New York City).

#5 – The storm moves in a circle around New York City (New York City is the business capital of the United States and the world. New York City would be the most likely place for an attack. United States is where the Twin Towers were destroyed on September 11, 2001).

More unusual occurrences and coincidences.

#6 – Hurricane Sandy is the largest Atlantic hurricane ever recorded and it hits late in the hurricane season. (You would think that the largest hurricane ever recorded would hit in peak period).

#7 – This hurricane is very far north in comparison to other Atlantic hurricanes. (Most Atlantic hurricanes hit Florida and very rarely go any further. If hurricanes do go any further, they usually head from west to east because the prevailing winds blow that direction. What happened with Hurricane Sandy was the complete opposite).

#8 – Sandy had the biggest storm surge ever seen. (The storm surge of Sandy has created some of the worst flooding from a hurricane in a very long time).

#9 – Hurricane Sandy is very fast for a hurricane. (So, Hurricane Sandy is the largest in diameter, its very fast for a hurricane, its not at the right time, its very far north for a hurricane and had the worst flooding from a hurricane in a very long time. Too many coincidences for me to accept that this storm is a natural creation).

#10 – Forecasters labeled Hurricane Sandy “Frankenstorm“… If you remember “Frankenstein” was created, he was not born, he was manufactured.

#11 – Hurricane Sandy sped up just before New Jersey, just before the major catastrophe of the storm. It is very coincidental that Hurricane Sandy was dubbed Frankenstorm the same day the National Weather Service predicted the storm would make landfall in New Jersey.

#12 – Sandy had the most kinetic energy of all tropical cyclones on record at 222 trillion Joules (the equivalent of 3.5 Little Boy Hiroshima atomic bombs).

Sources: http://weatherwarfare.worldatwar.info/sources/
 
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scombrid

Senior Member.
Another thing. Sandy was not the first storm of it's kind. Such systems where a tropical cyclone get entrained into a developing nor'easter (mid latitude cyclone) are not common but they do occur. The halloween storm of 1991 "The Perfect Storm" was similar in structure and track except that it developed further to the east.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Perfect_Storm
 

subhumn

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Another thing. Sandy was not the first storm of it's kind. Such systems where a tropical cyclone get entrained into a developing nor'easter (mid latitude cyclone) are not common but they do occur. The halloween storm of 1989 (aka The Perfect Storm) was a very similar system except that it developed further to the east.

Sandy was a weather anomaly for many different reasons, as stated. The evidence above is what I have come up with, i think this is enough to question the storm.
 

scombrid

Senior Member.
#1 – Hurricane Sandy was the largest Atlantic hurricane ever recorded. (as measured by diameter with winds spanning 1,100 miles (1,800 km)).

That breadth was associated more with the nor-easter that absorbed Sandy. The non-tropical storm of the century in 1993 was bigger.

#2 – If you look at the topography, when the storm reaches North America it continues to stay the around the same distance away from the coastline. (It is very rare that coastline effects the path of a storm. It seems that coastline had a lot to play in the track of this storm. Note the size of the North American coastline and this sheer distance of coastline that effected Super-storm Sandy).

Storms commonly run parallel to the coast.

#3 – The storm curves with with the coastline of North Carolina, South Carolina and Florida. (Once again, it is very rare that coastline effects the path of a storm, let alone curves with the coastline of a continent).

Storms curve along the North American east coast all the time. That is not the least be uncommon. The retrograde motion of the storm in later stages is less common than storms running parallel to the southeast coast.

#4 – The storm speeds up just as it heads for New Jersey. (From the start, the storm moved at a steady rate and then just before the major catastrophe of the storm, it speeds up,

You haven't tracked many hurricanes have you?

just before it circles New York City).

Circles New York?

#6 – Hurricane Sandy is the largest Atlantic hurricane ever recorded and it hits late in the hurricane season. (You would think that the largest hurricane ever recorded would hit in peak period).

It was a post-tropical cyclone at landfall which means that it had been absorbed by a larger mid latitude cyclone. I would expect such to occur later in the season. As with the 1991 Halloween Storm.

#7 – This hurricane is very far north in comparison to other Atlantic hurricanes. (Most Atlantic hurricanes hit Florida and very rarely go any further.

1985. Gloria. NC and Long Island
1989. Hugo. Charleston SC
1993. Bob. NC
1996. Bertha and Fran. NC
1998. Bonnie. NC
1999. Dennis. NC and Va. Beach. Floyd. NC with massive flooding in VA
2003. Isabell. NC with extensive storm surge flooding in the Chesapeake Bay with storm surge flooding in Richmond, Baltimore, etc...
2011. Irene.

Those stand out in my recent memory. A trip through the history books shows many more north of Florida going back to colonial times.

west to east because the prevailing winds blow that direction. What happened with Hurricane Sandy was the complete opposite).

Prevailing doesn't mean always. Check out the track on Dennis 1999.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dennis_1999_rainfall.gif

#8 – Sandy had the biggest storm surge ever seen.

Incorrect.

#9 – Hurricane Sandy is very fast for a hurricane.

No it wasn't.
 

solrey

Senior Member.
#2 – If you look at the topography, when the storm reaches North America it continues to stay the around the same distance away from the coastline. (It is very rare that coastline effects the path of a storm. It seems that coastline had a lot to play in the track of this storm. Note the size of the North American coastline and this sheer distance of coastline that effected Super-storm Sandy).

#3 – The storm curves with with the coastline of North Carolina, South Carolina and Florida. (Once again, it is very rare that coastline effects the path of a storm, let alone curves with the coastline of a continent).

Might want to rethink that assumption.


Graphic from NOAA's Historical Hurricane Tracks tool shows all hurricanes passing within 65 nautical miles of Cape Hatteras, N.C., since 1900.

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100930_hurricanetrack.html

All that's necessary to explain the track that Sandy took is the basic concept of steering winds.
 
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subhumn

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Might want to rethink that assumption.

Okay. we`ll move on to the next storm. There is enough evidence to start questioning storms, have a look at my documents.

In April 1997, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen stated in a United States Department of Defense news briefing that: (Source: Department of Defense News Briefing: Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen)

“Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.”

Convention on the Prohibition of Military or any other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques – United Nations Treaty (Signed in Geneva May 18, 1977)

The treaty created a list of phenomena that could result from the use of environmental modification techniques (this list is sourced from the United Nations Treaty above):

“earthquakes and tsunamis; an upset in the ecological balance of a region; changes in weather patterns (clouds, precipitation, cyclones and tornadic storms); changes in climate patterns; changes in ozone currents; changes in the state of the ozone layer and changes in the state of the ionosphere.”





Marc Filterman, a former French military officer, outlines several types of “unconventional weapons” using radio frequencies. He refers to “weather war,” indicating that the U.S. and the Soviet Union had already:

“mastered the know-how needed to unleash sudden climate changes (hurricanes, drought) in the early 1980s.”(3) These technologies make it “possible to trigger atmospheric disturbances by using Extremely Low Frequency (ELF) radar [waves].”

Sourced: (Marc Filterman, Intelligence Newsletter, (December 16, 1999) (http://www.dscrn.org/cms/uploads/newsletter/newsletter06.pdf / http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO201A.html)





“Malaysia to Battle Smog With Cyclones“, by Chen May Yee, Staff Reporter of the Wall Street Journal, The Wall Street Journal, Thursday, November 13, 1997, page A19.

“KULA LUMPUR — Malaysia’s war on smog is about to get a new twist. The government wants to create man-made cyclones to scrub away the haze that has plagued Malaysia since July. ‘We will use special technology to create an artificial cyclone to clean the air’, said Datuk Law Hieng Ding, minister for science, technology and the environment. The plan calls for the use of new Russian technology to create cyclones — the giant storms also known as typhoons and hurricanes — to cause torrential rains, washing the smoke out of the air. The Malaysian cabinet and the finance minister have approved the plan, Datuk Law said. A Malaysian company, BioCure Sdn. Bhd., will sign a memorandum of understanding soon with a government-owned Russian party to produce the cyclone. “Datuk Law declined to disclose the size of the cyclone to be generated, or the mechanism. ‘The details I don’t have’, he said. He did say, though, that the cyclone generated would be ‘quite strong’. Datuk Law also declined to disclose the price of creating the cyclone.”





Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025 – (Research paper presented to the United States Air Force)

“Weather modification offers the war fighter a wide range of possible options to defeat or coerce an adversary… Weather modification will become a part of domestic and international security and could be done unilaterally… It could have offensive and defensive applications and even be used for deterrence purposes. The ability to generate precipitation, fog and storms on earth or to modify space weather… and the production of artificial weather all are a part of an integrated set of military technologies.”





Beware the US Military’s experiments with Climatic Warfare – Michel Chossudovsky (Professor of Economics at the University of Ottawa and editor at the Centre for Research on Globalization, www.globalreasearch.ca)

“‘Climatic warfare’ potentially threatens the future of humanity, but has casually been excluded from the reports for which the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) received the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize.”





John von Neumann – Mathematician (1903-1957)

”Intervention in atmospheric and climatic matters . . . will unfold on a scale difficult to imagine at present. . . . this will merge each nation’s affairs with those of every other, more thoroughly than the threat of a nuclear or any other war would have done.”
 

subhumn

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Storm_of_the_century_satellite.gif

Wow, look. That storm in 1993 stretched from Honduras to Ottowa.

Good work, another weather anomaly that should be looked at. Heres some more...

On March 28th 2004 the “Nameless Hurricane” crashed into the coast of Brazil. The Nameless Hurricane was the first-ever hurricane formed in the South Atlantic. Meteorologists were left scratching their heads in bewilderment as the familiar swirl of clouds, complete with a well-defined eye, appeared in an oceanic basin where none had been spotted before. NASA hurricane researcher Robbie Hood stated that “This really caught everybody off guard, Hurricanes aren’t supposed to be in that part of the world”. It is very coincidental that a weather anomaly like the Nameless Hurricane, hit a region that has seen an increase in storms over the past twelve years. Is South America a testing ground for weather based weaponry?

NASA Science: “The Nameless Hurricane” - http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/02apr_hurricane/

The 2005 Atlantic hurricane season was another recent unusual weather event that should be noted, as it was the most active Atlantic hurricane season in recorded history, shattering numerous records and was also the year that Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana, the most deadliest Hurricane to hit the United States since 1928, resulting in the death of 1833 people. There were 28 named storms in the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season (storms with sustained winds of at least 39 miles per hour). In addition, there were an unprecedented 14 hurricanes, of which seven were major hurricanes (Category 3 or better on the Saffir-Simpson Scale). Three category 5 storms (sustained winds of 156 miles per hour or more) formed in the Atlantic Basin for the first time in a single season (Katrina, Rita, and Wilma). Four major hurricanes and three tropical storms made landfall in the United States, with an eighth storm (Ophelia) brushed brushing the North Carolina coast.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Atlantic_hurricane_season
 

scombrid

Senior Member.
Good work, another weather anomaly that should be looked at.

How far are you going to go back? Ash Wednesday Storm 1962?

The great hurricane of 1938?

What technology was used to make and steer those?

Nearly every assertion you made about Sandy and Atlantic storms was wrong so now you're just going to keep throwing stuff at the wall to hope something sticks?

What technology affected the steering winds and jet stream over half the northern hemisphere in order to steer Sandy? To stall the Ash Wednesday Storm for several days while it pummelled the mid-Atlantic coast in 1962?
What technology affected the polar and subtropical jets to make the "Storm of the Century" in 1993?
 

solrey

Senior Member.
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Have a look at the track of Oswald, I live in Sydney.


The paths that tropical cyclones take in the vicinity of Australia are all over the place so what's so unusual about Oswald?



http://www.bom.gov.au/cyclone/faq/

“Malaysia to Battle Smog With Cyclones“

Is there any evidence this actually took place, or that it was otherwise not a scam on the part of the Russian and/or Malaysian parties involved?

Pretty much everything you've presented has been thoroughly debunked already and you still haven't answered my question as to how much time have you spent studying atmospheric sciences, although after reading subsequent posts I already know the answer.
 
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Met Watch

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List and Explanation of Hurricane Sandy Unusual Occurrences and Coincidences

All coincidences are sourced on the sources page of this website, these occurrences make Sandy a major weather anomaly.

#1 – Hurricane Sandy was the largest Atlantic hurricane ever recorded. (as measured by diameter with winds spanning 1,100 miles (1,800 km)).

#2 – If you look at the topography, when the storm reaches North America it continues to stay the around the same distance away from the coastline. (It is very rare that coastline effects the path of a storm. It seems that coastline had a lot to play in the track of this storm. Note the size of the North American coastline and this sheer distance of coastline that effected Super-storm Sandy).

#3 – The storm curves with with the coastline of North Carolina, South Carolina and Florida. (Once again, it is very rare that coastline effects the path of a storm, let alone curves with the coastline of a continent).

#4 – The storm speeds up just as it heads for New Jersey. (From the start, the storm moved at a steady rate and then just before the major catastrophe of the storm, it speeds up, just before it circles New York City).

#5 – The storm moves in a circle around New York City (New York City is the business capital of the United States and the world. New York City would be the most likely place for an attack. United States is where the Twin Towers were destroyed on September 11, 2001).

More unusual occurrences and coincidences.

#6 – Hurricane Sandy is the largest Atlantic hurricane ever recorded and it hits late in the hurricane season. (You would think that the largest hurricane ever recorded would hit in peak period).

#7 – This hurricane is very far north in comparison to other Atlantic hurricanes. (Most Atlantic hurricanes hit Florida and very rarely go any further. If hurricanes do go any further, they usually head from west to east because the prevailing winds blow that direction. What happened with Hurricane Sandy was the complete opposite).

#8 – Sandy had the biggest storm surge ever seen. (The storm surge of Sandy has created some of the worst flooding from a hurricane in a very long time).

#9 – Hurricane Sandy is very fast for a hurricane. (So, Hurricane Sandy is the largest in diameter, its very fast for a hurricane, its not at the right time, its very far north for a hurricane and had the worst flooding from a hurricane in a very long time. Too many coincidences for me to accept that this storm is a natural creation).

#10 – Forecasters labeled Hurricane Sandy “Frankenstorm“… If you remember “Frankenstein” was created, he was not born, he was manufactured.

#11 – Hurricane Sandy sped up just before New Jersey, just before the major catastrophe of the storm. It is very coincidental that Hurricane Sandy was dubbed Frankenstorm the same day the National Weather Service predicted the storm would make landfall in New Jersey.

#12 – Sandy had the most kinetic energy of all tropical cyclones on record at 222 trillion Joules (the equivalent of 3.5 Little Boy Hiroshima atomic bombs).

Sources: http://weatherwarfare.worldatwar.info/sources/

I'm going to try and address these, one point at a time.

#1 - Agreed. How is this evidence of manufacturing? Is nature not capable of producing storms this large?

#2 - Very common occurrence. See this map for historical Atlantic tracks.
800px-Atlantic_hurricane_tracks.jpg

#3 - See #2.

#4 - Also typical of hurricanes. The farther north they go, the faster they go (assuming there's not a block or anything). I recall Hurricane Igor which went north and east, with one recorded speed of 51 mph eastward.

#5 - The track does not show circling around New York City. Where did you get that information?

#6 - Strong hurricanes are not restricted to the peak of the season. This argument is a logical fallacy.

#7 - Again, see #2.

#8 - Historical records say no.

#9 - See #4.

#10 - They labelled it Frankenstorm because it was forecast to hit around Halloween. It was coined in an HPC discussion, but the media ran with it. As far as I'm aware, the NWS never referred to the storm as anything other than Sandy after that mentioning.

#11 - Speed already addressed. "Frankenstorm" was dubbed, again, by the NWS itself before the media ran with it (if I recall correctly - scombrid, am I right on this?)

#12 - Again, is nature not capable of this?
 

Cairenn

Senior Member.
I think you might well look at other hurricanes. Take Carla for example. Carla tracked along the Texas coast before she came inland near Corpus Christi. She stayed together longer. I live in Dallas, over 300 miles inland, and she still had an eye when she passed here. I remember it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Carla
 

subhumn

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The paths that tropical cyclones take in the vicinity of Australia are all over the place so what's so unusual about Oswald?



http://www.bom.gov.au/cyclone/faq/

oswald3.jpg

I am just basing Oswald on the path itself as it tracks thousands of kilometers down the edge of the east coast of Australia. It looks like something I would myself consider an anomaly and I would do further research.

Cyclone Evan - http://weatherwarfare.worldatwar.info/2012/12/cyclone-evan-has-a-weird-and-peculiar-track/

For five days Cyclone Evan left a path of destruction through the islands of Fiji and Samoa, but it has also left a very weird and unusual path.

The track of Cyclone Evan – Note: The early beginnings of the track of Cyclone Evan are not complete in this source. You can see its beginnings in the photos attached to the main article.

Cyclone Evan started out in the islands of Tavalu where it moved in an odd fashion. Then it moved southeast to the Islands of Samoa. When the storm hit the islands of Samoa, it strangely slows down for an eighteen hour stay (Source: Tropical Cyclone Activity Report – Pacific / Indian Oceans). Evan then circles around the Samoan island of Upolu, where it turns back and heads west towards Fiji. The path of the storm actually crosses over from where it had already came. When Evan finally reaches Fiji it intensifies to its highest peak, a category four cyclone. If you look at Cyclone Evan on the oceanic map below you will realize how unusual this storm really is.

Oceanic Map – Please note the islands of Fiji and Samoa and the fact that they are 1100 kilometers apart. Also note that Fiji, Samoa and Tonga are the most populated island groups in the area, disregard the others. Draw the track of the storm on the Oceanic Map. Compare the distance between Fiji and Samoa to somewhere in the world that you are familiar with. What are the odds of a storm with a path like that? What are the odds of the storm slowing down and circling Samoa? What are the odds of the storm hitting its highest peak on Fiji?

Cyclone Evan intensifies to its peak on the most populated island group in the region, the Fijian Islands. The unusual nature of Cyclone Evan, makes Evan very suspicious and it feels like a direct attack on Fiji and Samoa. Is someone testing their weather modification capabilities on Fiji and Samoa to hit a world superpower in the near future? Unfortunately, like Hurricane Sandy, the people effected by Cyclone Evan have no one to blame. Cyclone Evan occurred in the Oceanic region. I believe that Australia, being leader in the region, needs to take action on this storm. The unusual nature of Evan should at least justify further scientific research or be discussed publicly.
 
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Cairenn

Senior Member.
What may be odd to you, is not odd to those that study the weather and what effects storm movement. Other weather systems, and things like warm and cold water eddies can also effect the track of such storms.

It would take controlling dozens of weather systems and ocean systems to 'control' a storm.
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
“Malaysia to Battle Smog With Cyclones“, by Chen May Yee, Staff Reporter of the Wall Street Journal, The Wall Street Journal, Thursday, November 13, 1997, page A19.

“KULA LUMPUR — Malaysia’s war on smog is about to get a new twist. The government wants to create man-made cyclones to scrub away the haze that has plagued Malaysia since July. ‘We will use special technology to create an artificial cyclone to clean the air’, said Datuk Law Hieng Ding, minister for science, technology and the environment. The plan calls for the use of new Russian technology to create cyclones — the giant storms also known as typhoons and hurricanes — to cause torrential rains, washing the smoke out of the air. The Malaysian cabinet and the finance minister have approved the plan, Datuk Law said. A Malaysian company, BioCure Sdn. Bhd., will sign a memorandum of understanding soon with a government-owned Russian party to produce the cyclone. “Datuk Law declined to disclose the size of the cyclone to be generated, or the mechanism. ‘The details I don’t have’, he said. He did say, though, that the cyclone generated would be ‘quite strong’. Datuk Law also declined to disclose the price of creating the cyclone.”.

The only Cyclone which passsed near Malaysia during 1997 was Linda, which had passed north of Malaysia on Nov. 3rd, before the news article was even published.

The smog was coming from Indonesia where farmers were doing slash/burn agriculture during a bad drought. The government was under fire over the situation, some of the worst air quality known to man occurred, but they were not able to stop the burning until monsoon rains returned.

There was no cyclone which "cleared the air".

1997_Pacific_typhoon_season_summary.jpg
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
It looks like something I would myself consider an anomaly and I would do further research.

-it has also left a very weird and unusual path.
- it moved in an odd fashion
- it strangely slows down for an eighteen hour stay
- you will realize how unusual this storm really is.
- What are the odds of a storm with a path like that?
- What are the odds of the storm slowing down and circling Samoa?
- What are the odds of the storm hitting its highest peak on Fiji?.


SH,
I have quoted above the reasons you have given us for your suspicions. Since you didn't answer the question, am I correct that you have never taken a university level class in meteorology? Most likely, that is the reason why you were not able to show any meteorological reasoning on your site, because you don't know much about the subject. Did it occur to you that in order to become an anti-weather modification activist you should learn at least the basics about the subject?

In just one day, we have found that your website has a large proportion of bunk on it. Much of what you are showing seems to be the (somewhat shoddy) work of others.
We often see this, the equivalent of the blind leading the blind, one person who doesn't know much about something puts out some bunk, the next one quotes it, pretty soon you have a large enough mass of bunk to actually put in some footnotes and make it look like you really did some "research". But all you have is one bunk promoter quoting another, none of which know or care that what is being claimed is absolute nonsense.

That is what globalresearch.ca does. An economist writing about weather. A communications professor writing about criminology.
The blind leading the blind.

Now, I'm not saying you can't be successful at gathering a set of followers around bunk. You can likely go on Vinny Eastwood's show and get lot's of attention. He is always looking for bunk to give his people their adrenaline fix and hop them up to buy some survival food before the weather war starts. If you do that, then you will be using him and he will be using you. A symbiosis of bunk and commerce which in the end won't teach you anything except how to win friends and help Vinny put bread on the table.

Is that your goal? If so, continue on the way you are going. If you are much of a 'people person', some day you might eclipse Stan Deyo. Just remember that you will eventually come to find yourself up against a wall. The wall will be one of your own making, put there by your failure to prepare yourself for dealing with a weather related subject matter by actually studying meteorology. If you look at it that way, doesn't your present course of action seem rather absurd?

Think about it.
 

lotek

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Stopped reading.


Nuff said.
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
So, Richard, you are an artist. I've found that artists are highly represented in conspiracy circles. I believe that has to do with an innate ability within those talented in the arts to imaginatively and perhaps intuitively identify pleasing aesthetic connections.

That ability doesn't always translate into sound factual knowledge or reasoning, however.

So many artists I've found lack experience in analysis and don't usually apply logic to problems.

My hypothesis is partly based on the idea of cranial hemispheric dominance.

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Joe

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So, Richard, you are an artist. I've found that artists are highly represented in conspiracy circles. I believe that has to do with an innate ability within those talented in the arts to imaginatively and perhaps intuitively identify pleasing aesthetic connections.

That ability doesn't always translate into sound factual knowledge or reasoning, however.

So many artists I've found lack experience in analysis and don't usually apply logic to problems.

My hypothesis is partly based on the idea of cranial hemispheric dominance.

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Like Leonardo Da vinci ?
Try again Jaybird
 
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Joe

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Another thing. Sandy was not the first storm of it's kind. Such systems where a tropical cyclone get entrained into a developing nor'easter (mid latitude cyclone) are not common but they do occur. The halloween storm of 1991 "The Perfect Storm" was similar in structure and track except that it developed further to the east.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Perfect_Storm
Hurricane Gloria ? My very first hurricane out of 4 :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Gloria
 

Cairenn

Senior Member.
Jay, some are, some aren't. I am an artist and my background is physics/geology. My boothmates (also artists) have a their degrees in math and industrial engineering.

I am afraid that a lot of art students are not taught good critical thinking skills.

I wonder why Joe keeps insulting folks?
 
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Joe

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Jay, some are, some aren't. I am an artist and my background is physics/geology. My boothmates (also artists) have a their degrees in math and industrial engineering.

I am afraid that a lot of art students are not taught good critical thinking skills.

I wonder why Joe keeps insulting folks?
I wonder why Jay insulted artist ? It was to point out he could be wrong ? Jaybird was a reference to his new picture not meant as a insult . How do you survive in a world being so sensitive to criticism ? or things that are not meant as insults ?
 

MikeC

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Cyclone Evan intensifies to its peak on the most populated island group in the region, the Fijian Islands. The unusual nature of Cyclone Evan, makes Evan very suspicious and it feels like a direct attack on Fiji and Samoa. Is someone testing their weather modification capabilities on Fiji and Samoa to hit a world superpower in the near future? Unfortunately, like Hurricane Sandy, the people effected by Cyclone Evan have no one to blame. Cyclone Evan occurred in the Oceanic region. I believe that Australia, being leader in the region, needs to take action on this storm. The unusual nature of Evan should at least justify further scientific research or be discussed publicly.

If you look up the maps of cyclones in the south pacific available on wiki you find that cyclones or storms often have a major reversal of route somewhere near Fiji, Samoa or Tonga, or somewhere else in the south pacific.

In 1982-3 there was Mark and Oscar, 83-84 was quiet, Hina hammered Vanuatu and Fiji in 1984 with a very strange looking "loop" - and was het most sever of that season.

In 1997-8 it was susan, while Cyclone Katrina–Victor–Cindy came and went more times than you'd like to count between Vanuatu and Australia in January of 1998. In 2002 Zoe targets the Solomons, Ami passed right over Fiji, and Beni hooked around 3 sides of Vanuatu!! More recently you can see major reversals of paths in cyclones and lesser weather formations around Fiji and Samoa in 3 of the last 4 years.

so I'd say the odds are about 50-70% in any given year.

I was in Samoa 2 weeks before Evan hit, staying on both the main islands - perhaps you should blame me??
 

Jay Reynolds

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Try again Jaybird

You'll have to wait until you can buy my book where I'll be fleshing out all of my thoughts about how conspiracies develop and are maintained. That will be coming out some day when I have plenty of time to write the epitaph for chemtrails.
I'd like to interview you some day, maybe I can make a whole chapter out of it!
 
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Joe

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You'll have to wait until you can buy my book where I'll be fleshing out all of my thoughts about how conspiracies develop and are maintained. That will be coming out some day when I have plenty of time to write the epitaph for chemtrails.
I'd like to interview you some day, maybe I can make a whole chapter out of it!
:) could I get a signed copy ?
 

Jay Reynolds

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Richard Dunn said:
Cyclone Oswald formed in the hot waters of the Gulf of Carpentaria on January 21st 2013. Oswald crossed Cape York, headed east and tracked 3000 kilometers along the east Australian coast from Cairns to Sydney. The storm manages to hit every major checkpoint along the way. The storm also curves with and continues to stay very close to the east Australian coastline (As sourced from the image attached to this post). Luckily I read the Sydney Morning Herald, because without this newspaper I would have no image which provides the full path and track of Cyclone Oswald.
Why are there no images that provide the full path and track of Cyclone Oswald on the internet?
http://weatherwarfare.worldatwar.info/author/killemwithscience/



There is no conspiracy here. The published tracks of Cyclone Oswald show it when it was a Cyclone.

Your newspaper map includes the track of the low when it was an "Ex"-Cyclone

Don't take offense, but if you had a firm grasp of meteorology, you might have known why the track is shorter on wikipedia.

The track of Oswald wasn't unprecedented. 1933 had one quite similar, who was controlling the weather back then?

1933.jpg


Before crying weather-modification on Oswald, I'd suggest you run your ideas by this forum.
Let them debunk your hypotheses first, might save you some embarassment...
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
:) could I get a signed copy ?

If you make the cut into the book, you get one for free. if your story isn't interesting enough, you pay full price +S&H.
I'm serious, though. At some point in writing the book, I will be making a national tour interviewing chemmies.
 

subhumn

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Don't take offense, but if you had a firm grasp of meteorology, you might have known why the track is shorter on wikipedia.

No I dont take offence, thanks for your insight. However, I think there is enough evidence of the existence of weather and environmental warfare that we should begin to question storms, earthquakes etc.

Convention on the Prohibition of Military or any other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques – United Nation Treaty (Signed in Geneva May 18, 1977)

Beware the US Military’s experiments with Climatic Warfare – Michel Chossudovsky (Professor of Economics at the University of Ottawa and editor at the Centre for Research on Globalization, www.globalreasearch.ca)

The Importance of Understanding Clouds – National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)

The Ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction: “Owning the Weather” for Military Use – Michel Chossudovsky (Professor of Economics at the University of Ottawa and editor at the Centre for Research on Globalization, www.globalreasearch.ca)

Environmental Modification Techniques (ENMOD) and Climate Change – Michel Chossudovsky (Professor of Economics at the University of Ottawa and editor at the Centre for Research on Globalization, www.globalreasearch.ca)

Environmental Warfare and Climate Change - Michel Chossudovsky (Professor of Economics at the University of Ottawa and editor at the Centre for Research on Globalization, www.globalreasearch.ca)

Controlling Hurricanes – Ross Hoffman (2004 Scientific American)

The Testimony of Dr. Tom DeFelice – (Past President, Weather Modification Association) in support of Weather Modification Operations and Research Board)

Engineering Hurricanes – William R. Cotton and Stephen M. Saleeby (Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO)

A Machine to get rid of Hurricanes – Brian Sandler from West Bloomfield, Michigan

Washington’s New World Order Weapons Have the Ability to Trigger Climate Change - Michel Chossudovsky (Professor of Economics at the University of Ottawa and editor at the Centre for Research on Globalization, www.globalreasearch.ca)

Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025 – Research paper presented to the United States Air Force

Operational Defenses through Weather Control 2030 - Michael C. Boger, Major, United States Air Force

Weather Weapons: The Dark World of Environmental Warfare – T. J. Coles

 

ssfor27

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Plane852 - to answer your question, yes the term "Frankenstorm" was dubbed by James Cisco at the Hydrometeorological Prediction Center on an extended forecast discussion October 25th. Since most of the brunt of the storm was to hit around Halloween, he made an allusion to Frankenstein. Nothing more than that, nothing less. See attached screenshot - it actually does a nice job of explaining what happened, and even he notes it was an unusual event. It does not mean it was unprecedented or man made in any way. As someone else made reference to, Hurricane Grace merged in a similar way with a nor'easter Halloween 1991 to form the real life perfect storm that was featured in the movie of the same name. So not only has a storm similar to Sandy occurred, it was very recent and at exactly the same time of the year.



frankenstorm.JPG
 

scombrid

Senior Member.
#11 - Speed already addressed. "Frankenstorm" was dubbed, again, by the NWS itself before the media ran with it (if I recall correctly - scombrid, am I right on this?)

#12 - Again, is nature not capable of this?

Frankenstorm as a name did originate with NWS. It was so named because the storm was the result of Sandy being absorbed into a broader mid-latitude cyclone during transition to post-tropical status.
 

SR1419

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Plane852 - to answer your question, yes the term "Frankenstorm" was dubbed by James Cisco at the Hydrometeorological Prediction Center on an extended forecast discussion October 25th. Since most of the brunt of the storm was to hit around Halloween, he made an allusion to Frankenstein. Nothing more than that, nothing less.

No offense but just reading the screen shot your posted suggests that isn't entirely accurate as he fully acknowledges the merging of the elements into one storm- hence the comment:

It was near Halloween so he looked for a "ghoulish name" but chose Frankenstorm due the combining of elements to create the broader storm.
 
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