Rony Vernet ( via Ross Coulthart ) - Brazil UFO Claims

Scaramanga

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The UFO incidents are claimed to have occurred and been witnessed and photographed/videod by Rony Vernet of the Brazil UFO Group in the remote Acre province of Brazil ( near the border with Peru ) in association with a local indigenous tribe. Video clip below is courtesy of NewsNation.

It's a long video, so lets skip to the chase. Most of the evidence is anecdotal, claims of odd sounds and sensations, with there only really being two good recorded instances. The first is a photo at
Source: https://youtu.be/tMakrd-fQek?t=879


The second is a short video clip ( which seems to get repeated in the article though multiple recordings are claimed ). The context is that this object is claimed to be small ( less than a few metres across ) and alternately flashing yellow and orange, and either hovering just above the trees or entering the forest.....


Source: https://youtu.be/tMakrd-fQek?t=3164


At no time does either Ross Coulthart or Rony Vernet ask what, to me, is the most obvious question. Could the 'UFO' simply have been a drone ?
 
I forgot to mention that although the hour long video mentions 'mysterious sounds', and the sounds seem to have occurred on two separate nights and have ample opportunity to be recorded....at no time in the video is any audio of the alleged sounds actually played. Which is a bit disappointing given the title of the video.
 
ok this thread is about the apiwtxa village.

which @flarkey wrote about in 2022 (despite coulthart claiming 2023 at 4:25 in video. note Ronys twitter uploaded these docs august 2021. )
[EMxBED content="thread-12551"]https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ufo-seen-by-the-apiwtxa-tribe-in-brazil-2014.12551/

@ flarkey we need a plane trace for this date over the village. (i dont know direction of camera). they mention "earlier this month" so i think its an americanized date...July 5th vs May 7th.

52:45 in above OP video. starts showing like 00:08:02
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@flarkey while youre at it can you check this date and time for the ISS (this footage on the 8th looks like the ISS although could be a more distant plane i guess). disregard the Naga talk, that has nothing to do with his video. same village location.
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Nice job modeling for new members how to provide details of an incident.

It wasn't that good a job, as the full video contains a lot of anecdotal claims and other context. Most of it is anecdotal. So I focused just on the two main photo and video instances. Which probably does not do the full context justice, but then the whole purpose of Rony Vernet being in the jungle with the tribe with lots of equipment was to procure empirical evidence, and I think my point is that there really wasn't much of that and I don't find it all that impressive.

My main point was that at no time does either Ross Coulthart or Rony Vernet entertain the possibility that they may have simply witnessed a drone. I kept waiting for Coulthart to raise that. He never did.

This section also highlights the difficulty of selecting parts of the video. Nowhere is it stated whether the video clip of a light passing over houses is something Vernet captured, or is a simulation, or what. It's just a clip thrown in with almost no context...so how do I provide context when the full video itself does not do so....


Source: https://youtu.be/tMakrd-fQek?t=2916
 
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It wasn't that good a job, as the full video contains a lot of anecdotal claims and other context.
we need location, dates etc. basically if you watch an hour long video, try to make the debunkers job easier by providing them with the information they need so THEY dont all have to watch an hour long video.
 
ok this thread is about the apiwtxa village.

which @flarkey wrote about in 2022 (despite coulthart claiming 2023 at 4:25 in video. note Ronys twitter uploaded these docs august 2021. )
[EMxBED content="thread-12551"]https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ufo-seen-by-the-apiwtxa-tribe-in-brazil-2014.12551/

@ flarkey we need a plane trace for this date over the village. (i dont know direction of camera). they mention "earlier this month" so i think its an americanized date...July 5th vs May 7th.

52:45 in above OP video. starts showing like 00:08:02

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EDITED AFTER DISCOVERING TIME IS UTC.
Local time it is UTC-5, so the time of the sighting is 2024-Jul-08 1855UTC-5. This is the predictions from in-the-sky.org for those dates for 7.97°S 68.72°W

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This is another video he has posted.


Source: https://x.com/RonyVernet/status/1813808606338322754
 
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we need location, dates etc.

The video does not give the date range Vernet was in Acre ( though the dates are on the photo and video clips and seem to be some time this month ). And Coulthard simply says ' a village in northern Acre'. There's literally a very brief news article shown that says it is Apiwtxa village...which is easy to miss and I did miss it. Quite why neither Coulthart or Vernet could not have simply said Apiwtxa and 'July 5th to July 8th 2024' I don't know. It's that sort of video.
 
Assuming that is local time it is UTC-5, so the time of the sighting is 2024-Jul-09 0455UTC. There wouldnt be any satellites visible around midnight. This is the predictions from in-the-sky.org for those dates for 7.97°S 68.72°W

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This is another video he has posted.


Source: https://x.com/RonyVernet/status/1813808606338322754


To save anyone having to watch the entire video.....nowhere is there any recording of the 'mysterious sounds'. Which is a bit baffling as they allegedly occurred over several nights. So don't watch the entire 'Mysterious Sounds' video expecting to hear any mysterious sounds.
 
he was probably afraid to try and pronounce it. I have no idea how you'd pronounce that.

The village does not seem to exist on Google Earth. "Google Maps can't find apiwtxa village"
The only place I could find an actual map was here.....

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...-lessons-in-sustainable-living-for-all-of-us/

Which places it around here....

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My first thought was to look up and see how close any illegal loggers might be....as that is my suspicion. But there don't seem to be any...though the village is right next to a tributary of the Amazon.
 
The second is a short video clip ( which seems to get repeated in the article though multiple recordings are claimed ). The context is that this object is claimed to be small ( less than a few metres across ) and alternately flashing yellow and orange, and either hovering just above the trees or entering the forest.....

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMakrd-fQek&t=3163s


Reminds me a little of the Langley AFB video on Reddit & Twitter stuff- a blinking light on what appears to be a steady path,
and claims of unusual things that are not supported by the video.

I've tried to time the frequency of the flashes, but won't pretend to have an accurate result; the start of the footage seems a bit glitchy.

The light might be flashing at the lower end of the range used by aircraft anti-collision lights, around 40 flashes / minute;

External Quote:

As far as regulations are concerned, 14 CFR 23.1401 - Anticollision light system states that:
(c) Flashing characteristics. The arrangement of the system, that is, the number of light sources, beam width, speed of rotation, and other characteristics, must give an effective flash frequency of not less than 40, nor more than 100, cycles per minute.
"Airplane Strobe Light Pattern?" Stack Exchange Aviation (a Q & A group).
As @Scaramanga has pointed out, the light or lights could be on a drone.


Googled Rony Vernet, he's an active UFO enthusiast in Brazil. Here's his Facebook page, https://www.facebook.com/canalronyvernet/; I don't use Facebook (or speak Portuguese) but you don't have to look far to find a Luis Elizondo quote,

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...I can't read it but I'm sure it's something sensible, e.g. there's no reliable evidence that UFOs are ET spacecraft.

@Scaramanga helpfully posted some of Rony's Twitter/"X" descriptions of strange phenomena he encountered.
As well as the mysterious sounds- all the more mysterious because he didn't record them- he encountered

External Quote:
Poltergeist activity (sounds of heavy furniture against ground, sounds of people walking on forest, lamps blinking, battery drainage, radio communications, smartphone freezing, camera shut down)
Trees, branches and deadfalls can creak surprisingly loudly, and we're often more aware of it in the dark when we rely more on hearing; sound can also travel further at night.
External Quote:
Temperature inversion is the reason why sounds can be heard much more clearly over longer distances at night than during the day—an effect often incorrectly attributed to the psychological result of night-time quiet.
Britannica website, Refraction (sound), https://www.britannica.com/science/sound-physics/Refraction

The area is densely forested, and there's a village, so I think I have a possible hypothesis for why Rony heard "people walking on forest", he might have heard people walking in the forest.

"...lamps blinking, battery drainage, [poor] radio communications, smartphone freezing, camera shut down" might all be part and parcel of being outside in a damp, remote area of dense forest for a few days. Many campers in less challenging places might have had similar experiences. It's why the military use environment-proofed equipment, which is often heavier (and more expensive) than civilian equivalents (and still breaks down in the field!)

Indigenous people in Brazil (and neighbouring Peru) have been persecuted and mistreated for centuries, and this continues today, albeit not officially by state actors.
The people in the area Sr. Vernet visited are called the Asháninka, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asháninka

External Quote:
For over a century, there has been encroachment onto Asháninka land from rubber tappers, loggers, Maoist guerrillas, drug traffickers, colonists, and oil companies.
The Asháninka in Acre wish to remain in their current territory. It might be understandable that some would react dramatically, and with fear, at any signs or rumours of an incursion by mysterious or hostile outsiders; it is a real threat that some, or some of their relatives, have experienced.
I'm sure Sr. Vernet is a sincere sort of guy who would hate the idea that he might inadvertently be tapping into or exacerbating local fears, but I'm not sure his forays into an indigenous reserve in pursuit of UFOs are entirely well-considered or responsible actions.

Re. Apiwtxa, it might not be the name of a village as such, or at least not just a village.

External Quote:
The Ashaninka Association of the Amônia River – Apiwtxa (a term that means union) was created in 1991 as a strategy to strengthen our community. It functions as an operational arm of the community so that we can manage our projects and articulate ourselves from a social and political point of view. It is through the Apiwtxa Association that we, Ashaninka of the Amônia River, carry out our projects, which aim at the well-being of our community and the communities surrounding our land.
Apiwtxa International Congress: Threats, Protection, and Development on the Amazon Frontier, https://apiwtxa.org.br/
(English translation from Portuguese). The website is informative and has some nice photos.

Map from the above website showing the Apiwtxa "HQ",

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(Maybe worryingly, "permanentemente fechado" means permanently closed.)

External Quote:

APIWXTA ASSOCIATION
...Apiwtxa, the the first Ashaninka association was founded over 20 years ago as an example for other tribes and communities, to safeguard their cultures and wisdom, while maintaining their economic freedom.
Website The Ashaninka People, https://www.aquaverde.org/en/the-ashaninka-people/

It seems the settlement might be called Samuel Piyãko, after a local (fairly recent) shaman by that name. His grandson Benki Piyãko is thanked in the 2017 Equator Initiative document (see below) and has been interviewed in Time magazine.
Some sources use Apiwtxa for the settlement, like the Scientific American article maps posted by @Scaramanga, @deirdre and @flarkey (from This Amazonian Indigenous Group Has Lessons in Sustainable Living for All of Us).

Maybe Apiwtxa has become the de facto popular name for the settlement due to a concentration of resources/ local political power brought by the Apiwtxa association and UN funding;
in 2017 Apiwtxa won the UNDP's Equator Prize, see
ASSOCIAÇÃO ASHANINKA DO RIO AMÔNIA APIWTXA, The Equator Initiative (United Nations Development Programme),
https://www.equatorinitiative.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/APIWTXA-Case-Study-English-r4.pdf

There aren't many Asháninka in Brazil, the 2017 Equator Initiative document implies around 2100, Wikipedia "...more than 1,000" in small settlements along the Breu, Amônia, and Arara rivers in the state of Acre.

Maps to put the location in a wider context- Julia Maria is highlighted as a "landmark" present on both maps.

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Was there not a previous thread on tribal societies in the jungle (Amazon, I think) that (it was surmised) were intentionally being frightened off by aerial devices deployed by loggers who wanted their territory? I have a vague memory of something like that. Or is that something I read elsewhere?
 
The village (maybe sensible to still call it Apiwtxa) is only a few km from the Brazil-Peru border, maybe the lights are from a drone or patrol aircraft from an agency of one of those countries. Flights in the Kampa Do Rio Amonea area might be relatively rare, but it's not as if there aren't aircraft in South America.

The evidence we have- basically Rony Vernet's anecdotal accounts, a still photo of a light in the sky and a few seconds of film showing a flashing light on what appears to be a smooth path- might be evidence that flying artefacts with flashing lights exist, but we knew that.
Rony's accounts of noises and electrical failures could be due to his misinterpretations of sounds in an unfamiliar environment and the prolonged use of consumer electronics outside in a humid, often wet and dusty setting.

The local Asháninka people might have good reason to be alarmed by any sign of unusual activity "from outside"; the arrival of Rony, with recording equipment and tales of investigating mysterious flying craft and other strange signs and portents could have alarmed some, or at least heightened their vigilance. Rony's reactions to forest sounds that the locals would otherwise consider normal might exacerbate this; the educated outsider knows this is evidence of something significant which the Asháninka have overlooked. What might have been a perfectly normal aircraft flight, or at least a flight with no direct relevance to local people, is shown to be something unusual, perhaps a threat.

Marginalized or dispossessed people have demonstrated neophobia and misinterpretations of natural / innocuous phenomena in the past. The Hmong people of Vietnam and Laos (many of whose tribes sided with the US during the Vietnam war) claim chemical weapons were used by the Communist forces against them post-1975, a putative mycotoxin called "Yellow Rain"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_rain
US and other agencies collected evidence that there were low levels of mycotoxins in the environment which must have reinforced Hmong beliefs. Few people paid attention to the everyday health issues facing the Hmong which might have caused Yellow Rain symptoms- malaria, aflatoxins from spoiled foodstuffs, malnutrition. The presence of natural mycotoxins at levels associated with Yellow Rain is now known to be common throughout southeast Asia and other places;
the Yellow Rain itself- rich in digested pollen- is widely accepted as being honeybee faeces released from large swarms.

If I recall correctly, during the wars of former Yugoslavia in the 1990's, displaced townspeople misidentified perfectly normal strands of spiderweb silk in fields, and strands of drifting spider silk, as a biological weapon (though I can't find a reference for this). These 'displays' are often most clearly seen around dawn when the sun is low in the sky (and can be quite beautiful)

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It is understandable that threatened peoples show this hypervigilance; they have experience of threats rapidly arising and are aware that they might have to react to changing circumstances at short notice. Though I'm not sure Vernet has done anything morally wrong, I think his pursuit of his interests in an Asháninka reservation was perhaps unintentionally exploitative.
 
I've tried to time the frequency of the flashes, but won't pretend to have an accurate result; the start of the footage seems a bit glitchy.

The light might be flashing at the lower end of the range used by aircraft anti-collision lights, around 40 flashes / minute;

And one has the age old question. Why would aliens need flashing identification lights ? I mean, these things can allegedly do 90 degree turns in a millisecond, travel at 25,000 mph, be trans-medium...yada yada....yet they need quaint old stone age navigation lights ?
 
And one has the age old question. Why would aliens need flashing identification lights ? I mean, these things can allegedly do 90 degree turns in a millisecond, travel at 25,000 mph, be trans-medium...yada yada....yet they need quaint old stone age navigation lights ?
The excuse I've heard from ufo-fans is that the Aliens/UFO/NHI are exhibiting mimicry - copying the other flying organisms in the earth's atmosphere (airplanes) in an attempt to either communicate with them or to hide amongst them.

#facepalm
 
The excuse I've heard from ufo-fans is that the Aliens/UFO/NHI are exhibiting mimicry - copying the other flying organisms in the earth's atmosphere (airplanes) in an attempt to either communicate with them
Perhaps space faring aliens need to invent radio...

or to hide amongst them.
I suppose that could explain how many UFO reports get identified as planes... their mimicry is THAT good.

But at the end of the day that sort of unfalsifiable theory-saving doesn't work. If they can mimic planes why is anybody ever able to see and report a UFO? If they can't, then we're back to "why the flashing lights?"
 
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