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JFDee

Senior Member.
Purportedly a smoking gun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F5rjgz46Qw

I was not able to stand his rambling over the whole length, but as far as I could make out, his conclusion is that it is unlikely that a lower plane is producing a more persistent trail than a plane above it.

The trail that he is showing from 7:36 looks indeed interesting though. I think it's an aerodynamic contrail.
I also think the plane (probably descending) is lower than the 28000 ft. he took from the tracking software. (Probably isn't even QF 63.)
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
It's certainly part aerodynamic, it starts at the wing, seems to come from the whole wind, and there is the characteristic iridescence:



It's most likely a combined aerodynamic and exhaust contrail, like this:



His mistake is pretty common - assuming that if a plane at one altitude makes contrail, then all planes above it will also make contrail, as they are in colder air. However, while the air is almost certainly going to be colder, there's no particular reason why the humidity will continue to be high. In fact it would be quite unlikely to get contrails over an entire 12,000 foot range.
 
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TWCobra

Senior Member.
Hi guys, he seems to have captured the QF63 actually flying in a cirrus layer, much like the KC10 tanker was in the infamous "Tankerenemy" video. It is actually a beautiful contrail and rarely photographed, pity he doesn't know that. Endtheresistance seems to have finally realised that moist air usually means a contrail. Pity PK has no concept of meteorology. He could save himself a lot of angst.
 

JFDee

Senior Member.
Atmospheric soundings for Melbourne Airport at 2012-03-29, 00:00 UTC (should be 10:00 AM locally, right?):
http://weather.uwyo.edu/cgi-bin/sou...AR=2012&MONTH=03&FROM=2900&TO=2900&STNM=94866

At first I was hoping to see a correlation, a layer with a low spread / high RH; there is one in the table but now I don't think the plane was close to that layer.

I too find this trail very special. Peekay is in fact noticing that it's unusual; I think he is an avid watcher ...
 

TWCobra

Senior Member.
PeeKay has outdone himself now. His latest video is the first time he has caught the RAAF Chemtrailing and all the usual suspects have joined in to congratulate him and denounce the military.

One problem. The aircraft is indeed from the RAAF. In fact it is a 737 BBJ from 34 Sqn, the VIP squadron. Should we let him know he may have filmed Julia Gillard Chemtrailing her own population?

 

solrey

Senior Member.
I've noticed peekay tends to rant about perfectly normal clouds, some of which are quite interesting, or beautiful even...but he seems to be afraid of them...so sad.

He made a recent video about a "Strange Glare in the Sky during the day". He's probably not aware of the 22 Degree Halo associated with sundogs. What he captured on video was an ordinary altocumulus cloud passing through part of an imaginary ring around the sun. Sunlight was reflected off of just that portion of the cloud that was 22o​ from the sun, so as the cloud drifted past that critical distance the reflection faded. Likewise the reflection would increase as the cloud drifted into the critical distance. I'm sure anyone that tried to educate him about these facts would be called a shill or something.

cheers
 

Ernie Lee

New Member
PeeKay has outdone himself now. His latest video is the first time he has caught the RAAF Chemtrailing and all the usual suspects have joined in to congratulate him and denounce the military.

One problem. The aircraft is indeed from the RAAF. In fact it is a 737 BBJ from 34 Sqn, the VIP squadron. Should we let him know he may have filmed Julia Gillard Chemtrailing her own population?


Really PK has posted an excellent example of a plane slowly descending to land. His video clearly shows different CONTRAIL types from large persistent CONTRAILS at 40,000 feet to NO CONTRAILS. I posted relevant temperature profiles explaining this, I hope
PKBOGAN vs RAAF-PK Explains Change from thick PERSISTENT to NO CONTRAILS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3CUg1Sdifg&feature=youtu.be

So thanks to PK for this video. I have been trying to get a video like this for Sydney without success.

Ernie Lee
ERNIEMAC2

Sorry about dual identities. I like to try and separate my high jumping videos from this silly "chemtrail" nonsense.
 

TWCobra

Senior Member.
As far as capturing the 34 Squadron VIP aircraft goes, it puts him in a bit of a bind. Either the contrail from the jet is a normal phenomenon; thus negating every video he has ever posted OR, he has the news scoop of the century.

"Australian PM's personal VIP aircraft filmed spraying toxic chemicals over unsuspecting Melbournians!!!"

Or, being an Altona girl...

"Julia Gillard Sprays Toxic Chemicals over her own home!!"

He has blocked me from his channel but I will be keeping up this point of pressure via some of his friends.
 

MikeC

Closed Account
Given his record to date, what do you think would be his actual problem with accusing Gillard??
 

TWCobra

Senior Member.
Good point. It will be interesting to see how he handles it. If chemtrailing was true, he'd have the greatest news story of the decade , ... definite proof of government spraying at the highest levels. Unfortunately for him... it ain't true!
 

Ernie Lee

New Member
Temperature Profile Melbourne
94866 YMML Melbourne Airport Observations at 00Z 06 Apr 2012
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
PRES HGHT TEMP DWPT RELH MIXR DRCT SKNT THTA THTE THTV
hPa m C C % g/kg deg knot K K K
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1001.0 119 23.0 15.0 61 10.82 0 23 296.1 327.5 298.0
1000.0 119 22.6 14.6 61 10.55 0 24 295.8 326.4 297.6
979.0 303 20.5 14.0 66 10.36 0 34 295.4 325.5 297.3

400.0 7480 -23.3 -28.3 64 0.93 305 34 324.6 328.0 324.8
397.0 7535 -23.7 -27.9 68 0.98 304 35 324.8 328.4 325.0
381.0 7836 -25.1 -32.1 52 0.68 295 39 326.8 329.4 326.9
371.0 8028 -26.6 -32.7 57 0.66 290 41 327.2 329.8 327.4
353.0 8387 -29.5 -33.8 66 0.63 296 39 328.1 330.4 328.2
327.0 8929 -33.5 -41.4 45 0.31 305 36 329.8 331.0 329.8
326.0 8951 -33.7 -41.7 44 0.30 305 36 329.8 331.0 329.9
300.0 9530 -38.1 -44.1 53 0.26 305 40 331.6 332.6 331.6
298.0 9576 -38.5 -44.5 53 0.25 303 40 331.6 332.6 331.7
289.0 9785 -39.9 -49.9 34 0.14 296 42 332.6 333.1 332.6
288.0 9808 -40.1 -49.9 35 0.14 295 42 332.6 333.1 332.6
270.0 10242 -44.3 -49.0 59 0.16 297 42 332.7 333.4 332.7
253.0 10672 -47.9 -58.9 27 0.05 300 43 333.6 333.8 333.6
250.0 10750 -48.5 -59.5 27 0.05 300 43 333.8 334.1 333.8
213.0 11778 -57.3 -63.6 44 0.03 320 40 335.8 336.0 335.8
203.0 12087 -59.9 -64.8 53 0.03 316 39 336.3 336.5 336.3
200.0 12180 -60.7 315 39 336.5 336.5

0100 UTS, at present altitude of 30,00 ft or 9,100m, small chance of CONTRAILS being formed
 

Ernie Lee

New Member
Flight QFA63 at 0120 over south west Melbourne

ft: Boeing 747-438 (B744)
Reg: VH-OJG
Hex: 7C482A
Altitude: 30000 ft (9144 m)
Speed: 484 kt (896 km/h, 557 mph)
Track: 227°
Squawk: 1372
Pos: -38.0887 / 145.7035
Radar: YMAV2

Sorry, going out so can't get QFA64. Should fly at 40,000 feet, so CONTRAILS should be seen.

Thanks for your patience
Ernie Lee
erniemac2
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
I wrote a program to figure out how many days were conducive to contrail persistence. Turns out Melbourne has quite a few. Here are the persistent contrail sounding for the last few weeks:

Airport 12Z 14 Mar 2012
At 10045.0m, rh = 71.0 rhi = 111.3, temp =-45.9
At 10670.0m, rh = 75.0 rhi = 123.9, temp =-51.5
At 11635.0m, rh = 62.0 rhi = 110.1, temp =-59.5

Airport 12Z 15 Mar 2012

At 10690.0m, rh = 68.0 rhi = 109.7, temp =-48.9
At 10849.0m, rh = 69.0 rhi = 112.5, temp =-50.1
At 10929.0m, rh = 69.0 rhi = 113.2, temp =-50.7

Airport 00Z 16 Mar 2012

At 9478.0m, rh = 68.0 rhi = 101.6, temp =-40.9

Airport 12Z 26 Mar 2012

At 9450.0m, rh = 73.0 rhi = 109.9, temp =-41.7
At 9908.0m, rh = 77.0 rhi = 120.8, temp =-46.0
At 10298.0m, rh = 81.0 rhi = 131.6, temp =-49.7
At 10599.0m, rh = 75.0 rhi = 125.3, temp =-52.7
At 10650.0m, rh = 70.0 rhi = 116.5, temp =-52.3

Airport 12Z 27 Mar 2012

At 9233.0m, rh = 68.0 rhi = 103.0, temp =-42.3

Airport 00Z 01 Apr 2012

At 10087.0m, rh = 64.0 rhi = 106.9, temp =-52.7

Airport 12Z 02 Apr 2012

At 10680.0m, rh = 64.0 rhi = 105.5, temp =-51.3
At 11134.0m, rh = 64.0 rhi = 109.5, temp =-55.3
At 11188.0m, rh = 63.0 rhi = 108.2, temp =-55.8

Airport 12Z 04 Apr 2012

At 11864.0m, rh = 64.0 rhi = 110.9, temp =-56.7


Note the quite large variation between RH and RHI. People often quote 70% RH as a rule of thumb, but it's much more like 60%, and even a bit below that. The relationship is complex and depends upon temperature and pressure. Here's the relevant bit of code:

Code:
# convert RHw to RHi, as per 
# http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/people/ola.persson/polar_studies/refereed/Ice_sat_2000JC000411.pdf
# But see http://cires.colorado.edu/~voemel/vp.html
# ta = temperature of atmosphere, in Celsius
# p = pressure in hPa (hectopascals), which are the same as mb (millibars)
# note this is defined as accurate from -0C to -50C, but it's unclear how inaccurate it is
# at temperatures below -50C
def rhw2rhi(rh, ta, p)
      e_sat_w_Ta = (1.0007 + 0.00000346 * p)*6.1121*Math.exp((17.966*ta)/(247.15+ta));
      e_sat_i_Ta = (1.0003 + 0.00000418 * p)*6.1115*Math.exp((22.452*ta)/(272.55+ta));
      return rh * (e_sat_w_Ta/e_sat_i_Ta);
end


 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
Temperature Profile Melbourne
94866 YMML Melbourne Airport Observations at 00Z 06 Apr 2012
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
PRES HGHT TEMP DWPT RELH MIXR DRCT SKNT THTA THTE THTV
hPa m C C % g/kg deg knot K K K
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1001.0 119 23.0 15.0 61 10.82 0 23 296.1 327.5 298.0
1000.0 119 22.6 14.6 61 10.55 0 24 295.8 326.4 297.6
979.0 303 20.5 14.0 66 10.36 0 34 295.4 325.5 297.3

400.0 7480 -23.3 -28.3 64 0.93 305 34 324.6 328.0 324.8
397.0 7535 -23.7 -27.9 68 0.98 304 35 324.8 328.4 325.0
381.0 7836 -25.1 -32.1 52 0.68 295 39 326.8 329.4 326.9
371.0 8028 -26.6 -32.7 57 0.66 290 41 327.2 329.8 327.4
353.0 8387 -29.5 -33.8 66 0.63 296 39 328.1 330.4 328.2
327.0 8929 -33.5 -41.4 45 0.31 305 36 329.8 331.0 329.8
326.0 8951 -33.7 -41.7 44 0.30 305 36 329.8 331.0 329.9
300.0 9530 -38.1 -44.1 53 0.26 305 40 331.6 332.6 331.6
298.0 9576 -38.5 -44.5 53 0.25 303 40 331.6 332.6 331.7
289.0 9785 -39.9 -49.9 34 0.14 296 42 332.6 333.1 332.6
288.0 9808 -40.1 -49.9 35 0.14 295 42 332.6 333.1 332.6
270.0 10242 -44.3 -49.0 59 0.16 297 42 332.7 333.4 332.7
253.0 10672 -47.9 -58.9 27 0.05 300 43 333.6 333.8 333.6
250.0 10750 -48.5 -59.5 27 0.05 300 43 333.8 334.1 333.8
213.0 11778 -57.3 -63.6 44 0.03 320 40 335.8 336.0 335.8
203.0 12087 -59.9 -64.8 53 0.03 316 39 336.3 336.5 336.3
200.0 12180 -60.7 315 39 336.5 336.5

0100 UTS, at present altitude of 30,00 ft or 9,100m, small chance of CONTRAILS being formed

And specifically for those figures:

At 8387.0m, rh = 66.0 rhi = 88.2, temp =-29.5
At 8929.0m, rh = 45.0 rhi = 62.6, temp =-33.5
At 8951.0m, rh = 44.0 rhi = 61.3, temp =-33.7
At 9530.0m, rh = 53.0 rhi = 77.1, temp =-38.1
At 9576.0m, rh = 53.0 rhi = 77.4, temp =-38.5
At 9785.0m, rh = 34.0 rhi = 50.3, temp =-39.9
At 9808.0m, rh = 35.0 rhi = 51.9, temp =-40.1
At 10242.0m, rh = 59.0 rhi = 91.1, temp =-44.3
At 10672.0m, rh = 27.0 rhi = 43.1, temp =-47.9
At 10750.0m, rh = 27.0 rhi = 43.4, temp =-48.5
At 11778.0m, rh = 44.0 rhi = 76.6, temp =-57.3
At 12087.0m, rh = 53.0 rhi = 94.4, temp =-59.9

Seems like quite a reasonable that contrails might occur (or not) as there's such as huge variation in humidity with time and space, and all this is is a pin-prick reading at one location and one point in time.
 

Ernie Lee

New Member
I managed to get home early enough to see smoke trails and QFA64 going over Melbourne.

QF64
From: Johannesburg, Johannesburg (JNB)
To: Sydney, Kingsford Smith (SYD)
Aircraft: Boeing 747-438 (B744)
Reg: VH-OJF
Hex: 7C4829
Altitude: 39000 ft (11887 m)
Speed: 506 kt (937 km/h, 582 mph)
Track: 56°
Squawk: 2622
Pos: -36.0937 / 146.9872
Radar: YMAV2

Real chance of persistent and large CONTRAILS !
See if PKBOGAN has enough guts to confirm this !
 
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Unregistered

Guest
Sorry, I forget usernames and and log ins.

On a lighter side, a religious smoke trail message for Easter
Chemtrail Easter Message ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE !


Thanks, Ernie Lee
 

TWCobra

Senior Member.
He is well and truly down the rabbit hole now... Pontificating on events from 10,000 miles away..... Sandy Hook, Boston, fluoridation.... He will get his comeuppance shortly.... the victims of Boston won't be denied.
 

George B

Extinct but not forgotten Staff Member
And specifically for those figures:

At 8387.0m, rh = 66.0 rhi = 88.2, temp =-29.5
At 8929.0m, rh = 45.0 rhi = 62.6, temp =-33.5
At 8951.0m, rh = 44.0 rhi = 61.3, temp =-33.7
At 9530.0m, rh = 53.0 rhi = 77.1, temp =-38.1
At 9576.0m, rh = 53.0 rhi = 77.4, temp =-38.5
At 9785.0m, rh = 34.0 rhi = 50.3, temp =-39.9
At 9808.0m, rh = 35.0 rhi = 51.9, temp =-40.1
At 10242.0m, rh = 59.0 rhi = 91.1, temp =-44.3
At 10672.0m, rh = 27.0 rhi = 43.1, temp =-47.9
At 10750.0m, rh = 27.0 rhi = 43.4, temp =-48.5
At 11778.0m, rh = 44.0 rhi = 76.6, temp =-57.3
At 12087.0m, rh = 53.0 rhi = 94.4, temp =-59.9

Seems like quite a reasonable that contrails might occur (or not) as there's such as huge variation in humidity with time and space, and all this is is a pin-prick reading at one location and one point in time.
This is the problem with sounding data it is very imprecise and not time sensitive . . . we need drones constantly sending real time data . . .LoL!
 

Ross Marsden

Senior Member.
This is the problem with sounding data it is very imprecise and not time sensitive . . . we need drones constantly sending real time data . . .LoL!

What do you mean by "very imprecise and not time sensitive"?

The accuracy of pressure, altitude and temperature is actually quite high.
You know where and when the observations were made.
In the scale of the normal rate of change of those quantities, 12 hourly is quite adequate.
The problem with these is the accuracy of the RH.

However, the information that is there about the RH is often useful, as Mick is pointing out there.

And, of course, more (and better quality) data would be nice.
 

George B

Extinct but not forgotten Staff Member
What do you mean by "very imprecise and not time sensitive"?

The accuracy of pressure, altitude and temperature is actually quite high.
You know where and when the observations were made.
In the scale of the normal rate of change of those quantities, 12 hourly is quite adequate.
The problem with these is the accuracy of the RH.

However, the information that is there about the RH is often useful, as Mick is pointing out there.

And, of course, more (and better quality) data would be nice.
I am referring to the ability to predict location, width and altitude of ice supersaturation layers and thereby persistent contrails in real time as aircraft fly through a segment of their flight plan . . .
 

Ross Marsden

Senior Member.
I am referring to the ability to predict location, width and altitude of ice supersaturation layers and thereby persistent contrails in real time as aircraft fly through a segment of their flight plan . . .

They are best used with other types of data like satellite imagery (WV), and with neighboring, and earlier soundings.
They are of use for the purpose you say, and should not be discarded out of hand.
 

George B

Extinct but not forgotten Staff Member
They are best used with other types of data like satellite imagery (WV), and with neighboring, and earlier soundings.
They are of use for the purpose you say, and should not be discarded out of hand.
I did not mean they should be discarded . . . simply they are not by themselves frequent enough in number and locale to be sufficient for precise predictions of persistent contrails along an entire flight plan meter by meter . . .
 

TEEJ

Senior Member.
Peekay is back on the chemtrails merry go round. He is recycling old videos along with the click to donate links.

 

TEEJ

Senior Member.
He's continuing with the re-cycled chemtrails videos. This old one from the MadisonStarMoon show. The comments section is rapidly filling up with some swipes at Metabunk.

 

Gridlock

Senior Member.
The level of emotional commitment these guys attract is disturbing - from the comments to that video:

The Dark Ages called, they want their methodology back..
 

MyMatesBrainwashed

Active Member
The level of emotional commitment these guys attract is disturbing - from the comments to that video:

The Dark Ages called, they want their methodology back..
Do the elites not care about how crowded the next life will be when reducing the population of this life to 500 million?

There's a conflict of interests there imo
 

Balance

Senior Member.

I'd never heard this before and I'm impressed, especially with that Glynn-bloke or woteveryournameis :p

Maybe I'm biased but you kept your cool down low very nicely while your co-patriot made himself expose just how unrealistic and closed-minded he was. I'm sure the many invisible listeners would have benefitted greatly from hearing you calmly and confidently explaining the realities of what he was seeing. In fact, I reckon even "Bruce" probably slept better that night as he'd obviously built up a lot of pressure and venting it is said to therapeutic.
 

TWCobra

Senior Member.
Yes, obviously a prince among men...

As I said, I have an outside chance of doing a few QF63/64s in the last 6 months of this year.

I am tossing up the efficacy of telling Kusznir when I'll be flying over, particularly if contrail conditions are predicted, and daring him to report me for "crimes against humanity".

If he doesn't I'll call him out for the fraud he is... If he does I'll have some real fun.
 

Gridlock

Senior Member.
Well what are the chances of one of the better-known Metabunk shills getting to fly the very aircraft in question? Seems very fishy to me. ;)
 

derwoodii

Senior Member.

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