Orb UFOs in Sedona [Likely Starlink]

[flarkey]

Another post of 'orbs' from @UAPF ... looks like another Starlink swarm...


Source: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAQXahwNgsj/?igsh=MXQ3Z28zZnd4aWFydw==


investigation follows...

 

[flarkey]

Video file for those that can't access Instagram

Sedona coordinates: 34.874486187746335, -111.7736909577499

The video is looking north towards Cassiopeia...

 

[FatPhil]

It would be nice if someone could do some image stabilisation on that.

 

[flarkey]

A very rough date for this video appears to be April. The orientation of Cassiopeia, the flare region and the bounds of the flare zone seem to match up at this time of the year. I don't think we have enough info yet to work out a precise date or time.

https://www.metabunk.org/u/ISlPPs.html

 

[flarkey]

In fact to get the position of the flare zone in the right part of Cassiopeia the date would need to be around 6th May when the sun is directly below that point.


https://theskylive.com/planetarium?objects=sun-moon-mercury-venus-mars-jupiter-saturn-uranus-neptune-pluto&localdata=34.86974|-111.76099|Sedona AZ (US)|America/Phoenix|0&obj=sun&h=08&m=15&date=2024-05-06#ra|1.9653426542522094|dec|32.01823435835937|fov|80

It is interesting to note that this video quite clearly shows that some satellites are going in the other direction (R-L) compared to most of them (L-R) and therefore some people would say that that shows it isnt all starlink - but the Siterec replay for that date & time shows that the Starlink satellites in a polar orbit would have this exact appearance to the viewer.

https://www.metabunk.org/u/MFVUfu.html

 

[jarlrmai]

Literally making money from showing people Starlink satellites via Night Vision goggles.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attra...r_for_the_New_Age-Sedona_Arizona.html#REVIEWS

I gotta admire the grift sometimes.

 

[JMartJr]

Literally making money from showing people Starlink satellites via Night Vision goggles.

I wonder if they are using Sitrec to plan their excursions?

 

[flarkey]

Literally making money from showing people Starlink satellites via Night Vision goggles.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attra...r_for_the_New_Age-Sedona_Arizona.html#REVIEWS

I gotta admire the grift sometimes.

They've gone full circle - using "back-engineered ET technology" to view UFOs!

https://sedonanewagestore.com/sedona-visitors/sedona-ufo-tour/

 

[jarlrmai]

I wonder if they are using Sitrec to plan their excursions?

Now we know who is paying Mick to write Javascript..

 

[NorCal Dave]

Literally making money from showing people Starlink satellites via Night Vision goggles.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attra...r_for_the_New_Age-Sedona_Arizona.html#REVIEWS

I gotta admire the grift sometimes.

It is pretty incredible. Sedona is gorgeous and spectacular, definitely on my top 10 place to live if I could afford it, and I can't. But it is also a MAJOR woo woo center. One can go hiking, rent RZRs or Jeeps to go visit the ruins of the Sin Aqua people and just get outside. Or one can go to magical vortices around town where the turellic currents of the Earth converge, get some magic crystals and charge them up at side vortices and have a completely white person of European decent, if not birth, perform a shamanistic ritual they "learned" from real Native Americans. Or connect with past lives or have a tarot reading and so on.

It's literally a tourist industry built on equal parts spectacular nature and credulity. The kinda place something like this would work.

 

[RTM]

It is pretty incredible. Sedona is gorgeous and spectacular, definitely on my top 10 place to live if I could afford it, and I can't. But it is also a MAJOR woo woo center. One can go hiking, rent RZRs or Jeeps to go visit the ruins of the Sin Aqua people and just get outside. Or one can go to magical vortices around town where the turellic currents of the Earth converge, get some magic crystals and charge them up at side vortices and have a completely white person of European decent, if not birth, perform a shamanistic ritual they "learned" from real Native Americans. Or connect with past lives or have a tarot reading and so on.

It's literally a tourist industry built on equal parts spectacular nature and credulity. The kinda place something like this would work.

Sounds like the Arizona version of Mount Shasta.

 

[jarlrmai]

An attempt at stabilising inside a 4k frame.

 

[Mick West]

Night vision gives the best "swarms" - this would be a good example to sync up.

Much better if they had used a tripod!

 

[jarlrmai]

There seems to be a plane strobe flashing as well which might help with timings.

 

[Ravi]

Night vision gives the best "swarms" - this would be a good example to sync up.

Much better if they had used a tripod!

The alien engineered Tripods (brandname "Ullaaaa") are not ready yet.

 

[flarkey]

This appears to be the original video....


Source: https://x.com/seautocure/status/1837786329351926102?t=eiCI1auVEPhtmFQ1UsL9Bw&s=19

 

[Ann K]

From the Xitter post,

Bradshaw Ranch (our Skinwalker)

"Our Skinwalker"?? Words fail me.

 

[Ridcully]

A bit late but I just had a look how the video could be improved. I found it a little bit hard to see what is actually moving with all the flickering and shaking.

• Trimmed to the more stable part
• Stabilized
• Aggregated multiple frames to simulate a motion blur

Maybe it helps a bit to visualize what is actually moving and in what directions.

 

[flarkey]

A bit late but I just had a look how the video could be improved. I found it a little bit hard to see what is actually moving with all the flickering and shaking.

• Trimmed to the more stable part
• Stabilized
• Aggregated multiple frames to simulate a motion blur

Maybe it helps a bit to visualize what is actually moving and in what directions.

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Nice. Thats very close to what we see in Sitrec:

 

[FatPhil]

Nice. Thats very close to what we see in Sitrec:
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It looks like it's stabilised on the horizon rather than the stars. Neither the satellites and stars care about what orientation we're in, so stabilising on the stars would give a clearer view of what the satellites are doing, even if it means the horizon has to tilt.

One "nice" feature that it shows is an apparent abrupt change in direction - behaviour impossible for a satellite, you say, how can that be a good thing?!? However, if you imagine completely filling the satellites' orbital spheres with satellites you'd basically make a spherical mirror. (Though you'd want to throw away the bit facing away from you, and the bit blocking light from a sun, so just keep a halo.) And that would reflect a crisp (but distorted) image of the sun. As a satellite exits the region where the sun is, it will abruptly "turn off", and as a satellite enters the region it will abruptly "turn on". And the edge of the region is the edge of the region no matter what direction you're moving in. So you'd expect a satellite to blink in at the same location that another one blinked out. The first abrupt "bounce" of smoothed satellite trajectories I noticed (which starts above the middle of Cassiopeia) that I noticed happened in the bottom left. And sure enough, the bottom left 'X' of satellite paths on your model seems like it could be that instance, if I'm interpreting things correctly; their crossing point is about the same portion of the way along each of their arrows, so they'll be in about the same place at the same time - if that's approximately where the blinking out and in happens, it *will* look like a bounce. (A bit too late, and it will dim as it bounces, a bit too early and it will blink as it bounces, but they'll still be perceived as bounces.)

(And to protect myself from pedants, I should 'fess up to the simplifications used in this explanation - the satellites are in different orbits, so there's no theoretical single spherical mirror. Fortunately but that just fuzzes things by an insignificant amount, as the difference in which bit of the sun a satellite in a different orbit would reflect (or miss by) is of the order of the distance between orbits, which is zero on a solar scale.)

If someone with some blender skillz or equivalent could knock up a 3D model of the spherical mirror band with correct proportions of the 4 relevant radii, I'd be very interested to see the effect - how big the reflected sun would be in the sky.

 

[Ridcully]

It looks like it's stabilised on the horizon rather than the stars. Neither the satellites and stars care about what orientation we're in, so stabilising on the stars would give a clearer view of what the satellites are doing, even if it means the horizon has to tilt.

That is tricky since the stabilization algorithm is not working that well with these videos (dark, blurry, etc). I already tried out different areas of the video for the algorithm to use as focus points with mixed results. When I only use some area in the sky the video was still shaking pretty badly. Adding the horizon to the focus area produced the best result.

 

[jarlrmai]

I used horizon as the stabilisation reference as well for the same reasons.

You might be able to maybe manually stabilise based on the stars in Cassiopeia.

 

[jarlrmai]

@flarkey do you think we are likely to get a date/time for this one?

 

[Ridcully]

You might be able to maybe manually stabilise based on the stars in Cassiopeia.

Sadly not. At least I am not aware that this is possible. You can only define one area to use as reference and around Cassiopeia there are so many moving and blinking pixels that the algorithm seems to loose track from time to time.

Btw for anyone technically interested: the stabilization tool is a small Python library (not mine) build around the OpenCV stabilizer called "vidstab" (https://adamspannbauer.github.io/python_video_stab/html/installation.html, https://github.com/AdamSpannbauer/python_video_stab).

It requires a little know-how in Python (or coding in general) to get it running so most likely not a tool for everybody to use. Trimming and other stuff can be done with ffmpeg (https://ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg.html#Main-options).

 

[FatPhil]

Would a stacking tool like this help?

DeepSkyStacker: Main Features
Automatic registration of a set of pictures
Automatic detection of stars using all the picture area
Preview of registered stars
Sub pixel registration
Automatic derotation
Automatic creation and use of offsets, flats and darks frames
Sub pixel alignment and stacking
Supported bitmaps formats : 8, 16 and 32 bit colour and monochrome TIFF files, 8, 16, 32 and 64 bit colour and monochrome FITS files, JPEG, BMP, PNG

http://deepskystacker.free.fr/english/index.html

 

[flarkey]

@flarkey do you think we are likely to get a date/time for this one?

I've tried to find an online source for the video but haavent been able to so far. I think it was recorded by Melinda Leslie - I have emailed her asking for the date & time but I;m not hopeful for a response.

 

[Ridcully]

Would a stacking tool like this help?

DeepSkyStacker: Main Features
Automatic registration of a set of pictures
Automatic detection of stars using all the picture area
Preview of registered stars
Sub pixel registration
Automatic derotation
Automatic creation and use of offsets, flats and darks frames
Sub pixel alignment and stacking
Supported bitmaps formats : 8, 16 and 32 bit colour and monochrome TIFF files, 8, 16, 32 and 64 bit colour and monochrome FITS files, JPEG, BMP, PNG

http://deepskystacker.free.fr/english/index.html

I only had a quick look at the documentation but from what I saw I think it would not help in this specific usecase.

The automatic star detection and the derotation functionality would help a lot but the only available output seems to be single image file for multiple image input files. So I don't see how it could be integrated into a toolchain that takes a video as input and output.
As a hack it might be possible to apply this tool to every single frame of the video separately and then bundle all the images back together into a video. But that would require the tool to support some command line functionality and I have not seen anything like that in the doc.

However I am currently trying to capture a glimpse of the anticipated Coronae Borealis nova (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T_Coronae_Borealis) as a little Raspberry Pi project and for that this tool would actually be very helpful to improve the image quality. So thank you for the link!

 

[jarlrmai]

ffmpeg could probably do a frame by frame output, putting it back together with the alignment maintained I'm not so sure.

I guess you produce each aligned frame inside a black border that encompasses the full FOV variation. Then stack them like a timelapse.

 

[Ridcully]

ffmpeg could probably do a frame by frame output, putting it back together with the alignment maintained I'm not so sure.

I guess you produce each aligned frame inside a black border that encompasses the full FOV variation. Then stack them like a timelapse.

Provided the DeepSkyStacker supports some command line functionality I guess it should be possible to get something running. However even with the best possible result I am not sure how much the video would actually improve.

I think the good old 80-20 rule applies.

 

[Mick West]

I've tried to find an online source for the video but haavent been able to so far. I think it was recorded by Melinda Leslie - I have emailed her asking for the date & time but I;m not hopeful for a response.

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/exclusive-video-inexplicable-uaps-captured-near-sedona/

Guest on the 9/23/24 show, Melinda Leslie shares a video of anomalous lights from June 2024 captured on a cell phone that was attached to night vision goggles. To the naked eye, the lights appeared red or orange in color. She explains that in the footage, the lights that are still are stars, the ones with a triple-blink pattern are military helicopters, and the other moving lights are considered UAP.

From the show description:

In the latter half, UFO investigator Melinda Leslie, the owner of UFO Sighting Tours in Sedona, talked about strange aerial phenomena (view footage) seen over the Sedona skies and their possible connection to a purported underground military base. She also delved into paranormal mysteries at the Bradshaw Ranch near Sedona. On her tours, they use military night vision goggles, which greatly enhance the view of the skies, and participants often observe unexplained structured objects, triangles, and cylindrical shapes. Leslie recalled a particularly active night, stating, "It was absolutely insane... 45 minutes straight" of sightings. Addressing skeptics, she emphasized, "Drones are actually illegal over Sedona at night," and they can separate out which craft are military as they have specific blinking patterns.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eY2Oi5ht2k


Youtube video:

 

[Mick West]

A bit late but I just had a look how the video could be improved. I found it a little bit hard to see what is actually moving with all the flickering and shaking.

• Trimmed to the more stable part
• Stabilized
• Aggregated multiple frames to simulate a motion blur

Maybe it helps a bit to visualize what is actually moving and in what directions.

I did something similar. Stabilizing 19 seconds manually

Second video has trails

 

[Ridcully]

I did something similar. Stabilizing 19 seconds manually

This is a very nice result. What software did you use to stabilize the video?

 

[Mick West]

This is a very nice result. What software did you use to stabilize the video?

Adobe After Effects, I tracked two of the stars to get position and rotation. Mostly manual, reposition every six frames.

Then Echo/Maximum effect with 600 frames.

 

[Kyle Ferriter]

They've gone full circle - using "back-engineered ET technology" to view UFOs!

https://sedonanewagestore.com/sedona-visitors/sedona-ufo-tour/
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The prior slide:

The ATN PVS7-3 is listed for $3,895 on Amazon right now. A bit out of reach for my budget.

Source: https://www.amazon.com/ATN-PVS7-3-Night-Vision-Goggle/dp/B000WGQ9YI

Official product page:
https://www.atncorp.com/night-vision-goggles-atn-pvs7-3

Seems like it is plausibly used by the US military, and of high enough quality and competitive utility to be subject to US export controls. Both the Amazon page and the ATN Corp page say it is subject to export restrictions.

 

[elvenwear]

Those goggles are third generation. They're fine for export.