Operation Clarity: The History of Chemtrails

Mick West

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rezn8d has been banned for one year two weeks, so will be unable to respond to criticism of his site until then.
 

scombrid

Senior Member.
That's a shame. I was ready to examine his claims starting with that cover photo.

https://www.metabunk.org/posts/42484

Oh, and by the way, the cirrus clouds at the tropopause around the periphery of tropical cyclones are known as "outflow" cirrus. They are part of air flowing away from the convection at the core of the storm. Air flows toward the cyclone at the surface and away from it aloft such that you have cyclonic flow at the surface and anti-cyclonic flow aloft. Anything coming from an airplane in that layer, contrails or otherwise, flow away from the storm. Additionally, contails are going to form and persist in that environment irrespective of fuel additives.

https://www.metabunk.org/posts/41282

Shame the thread devolved into tit for tat and allowed Jim to escape defending his position on fact.
 
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Mick West

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You can still examine them. He can always respond elsewhere, or just apologize to Jay and respond here.
 

Cairenn

Senior Member.
I don't think he wanted to be able to defend his beliefs. He knows that he will fail. I expect he is over gloating over getting banned here and 'how we could defend ourselves' alternating with the 'I'm a victim' .
 

HappyMonday

Moderator
I don't think he wanted to be able to defend his beliefs. He knows that he will fail. I expect he is over gloating over getting banned here and 'how we could defend ourselves' alternating with the 'I'm a victim' .
It won't surprise me if a 'Banned from Metabunk' badge appears on all of his pages from now on. I suspect he sees some PR value in hostility towards it.
 

Mick West

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To be fair I think that original comment was just in the context of that thread. Still, topics quickly diverged.
 

George B

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I don't think he wanted to be able to defend his beliefs. He knows that he will fail. I expect he is over gloating over getting banned here and 'how we could defend ourselves' alternating with the 'I'm a victim' .
I have to agree on this one . . . banning him gives him legitimacy in his group . . .
 

MikeC

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I agree too - nonetheless I feel that Mick acted correctly, and if CT's want to be a-holes in order to get "banned from metabunk" brownie points with their congregation then so be it.

Perhaps Mick might consider posting the threads or at least posts that get people banned in a seperate non-discussion forum (ie one not open to posting by us hoi poloi) just so the evidence is at least patently obvious?
 

Mick West

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I have to agree on this one . . . banning him gives him legitimacy in his group . . .
Which is why he's been allowed to post for so long. He has stepped over the line many times - threatening people with "exposure", accusing people of various acts.

But I'll reduce the ban to two weeks, should allow enough time for perspective.
 

George B

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Which is why he's been allowed to post for so long. He has stepped over the line many times - threatening people with "exposure", accusing people of various acts.

But I'll reduce the ban to two weeks, should allow enough time for perspective.
Maintaining the high road is always the best strategy . . . I agree with banning but giving him a choice as you have is a good policy . . .
 

Landru

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Maintaining the high road is always the best strategy . . . I agree with banning but giving him a choice as you have is a good policy . . .
Mick did give him a choice. Apologize to the person he libeled (because that is what he did) and then he could come back. My opinion is that he should do this within his first three posts or face the one year ban.
 

Cairenn

Senior Member.
I agree with that, I also feel that Jay should see about finding a lawyer that would at least send him a letter, telling him to retract his comments.
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
Jim's history of chemtrails conveniently neglects the known origin of the controversy, a hoax perpetrated by a neo-nazi named Larry Wayne Harris.

http://goodsky.homestead.com/files/evolution.html

You can positively date chemtrails to Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:18:37.

Any history neglecting this fact is a cover-up.

That rumored lab report has never emerged publicly, yet it carried the hoax for the first three years.
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
Jim Lee could add to that the dates of the first news media attention that the chemtrails hoax garnered, the date I offered to pay William Thomas for a copy of the claimed "Lab Test", and the first threat against aircraft making alleged contrails:
William Thomas "disassociated" from Environment News Service,
Asked to "remove anything related to ENS from his website" by ENS Managing Editor James Crabtree

Below is an exchange of letters between myself and James Crabtree, the Managing Editor of Environment News Service, which carried the original articles written by William Thomas which reawakened the contrail controversy, which had lain dormant since it's rejection by the public in 1997-1998. It appears that even though ENS has disassociated itself from William Thomas, and have since learned of the false ideas they lent credibility to, they will not issue a retraction.


Message #1 sent by Jay Reynolds to James Crabtree and others on 12/28/99:

To: Sunny Lewis, Editor -in Chief, Environment News Service (editor@ENS-NEWS.COM)
(news@ens-news.com)
CC:
James Crabtree- (ENS)ens@envirolink.org.
Danelle Hall dhall@enn.com
David Skillman dskillman@enn.com
Madeline Mooney, Director of Communications Lycos, Inc. mmooney@lycos.com
Ted Philip, Chief Finanical Officer Lycos, Inc. tphilip@lycos.com
Michele Perry, Marketing Communications Manager Lycos, Inc. mperry@lycos.com
Robert J. Davis, President and Chief Executive Officer rdavis@lycos.com
Jeffrey Crown, Vice President of Business Development jcrown@lycos.com
Mark Simmer, Vice President of Online Mediamsimmer@lycos.com
Jan Robert Horsfall, Vice President of Marketing for Lycos jrobert@lycos.com
David Peterson, Vice President of Advertising Salesdpeterson@lycos.com
Tom Guilfoile, Vice President of Finance & Administration tguilfoile@lycos.com
David L. Andre, Vice President of Communications dandre@lycos.com
Robert O. Frasca, Vice President of product management rfrasca@lycos.com
Curtis A. Holsclaw, FAA Emissions Division holsclaw@faa.gov
Tom Eichhorn, California Air Quality Management Division TEichhorn@aqmd.gov
Dr. Patrick Minnis, NASA Langley Research Center p.minnis@larc.nasa.gov
Hermann Mannstein, German Institute for Atmospheric Physics Hermann.Mannstein@dlr.de
Steve Milloy, Junkscience.com Editor milloy@cais.com
Jon E. Dougherty, Reporter/Columnist WorldNetDaily.com jon@usajournal.com
Dr. Claire Gilbert, Editor, Blazing Tattles blazing@igc.apc.org
John Stossel, ABC News, JohnStossel@ABCNEWS.com

Dear Ms Lewis,
This is my second request to you, as Editor-in Chief of Environment News Service(ENS), for a retraction of claims made by ENS beginning January 8th of 1999, that:

- In an ENS article entitled "Contrails Mystify, Sicken Americans" 1/8/99 (ENS) "Contrails spread by fleets of jet aircraft in elaborate cross-hatched patterns are
sparking speculation and making people sick across the United States."

[note: This article appears on ENS reporter William
Thomas' personal website entitled "Contrails: Poison
From the Sky"

- In an ENS article entitled "Sky Samples Analyzed", 4/22/99(ENS) "As unmarked tanker-type aircraft continue spraying sky-obscuring chemtrails over regions of the
U.S. and Canada, this writer and American journalist Erminia Cassani have obtained laboratory tests of fully-documented samples of aerial fallout." and
"Currently used as a JP-8 jet fuel additive, EDB was banned by the EPA in the late 1970s as a known carcinogen capable of causing severe upper respiratory reactions at repeated low-level exposures."
[note: The ENS reporter, Thomas, continues to withhold from public scrutiny these alleged sample results gathered under ENS auspices, and was quoted by the Santa Fe New Mexican newspaper(6/20/99, pg E1) as saying, "My colleague and I will release the name of our lab and detailed analysis as soon as we find a publisher willing to pay us for many months of research- and reimburse those lab tests."]

In the year that has elapsed since these articles were published on ENS, your reporter has displayed on his website the claim that very expensive vitamin supplements he sells "has allowed me to so far ward off flu, colds and chemtrail exposures." Thomas now tells his readers they suffer from "chemtrail sickness".


The items mentioned above are but a few of the claims made by Thomas, others have included the claim on the Art Bell radio talk show that rabies, hepatitis,
Epsein-Barr virus, pneumonia and lupus were diagnosed as a result of contrails.

Perhaps most disturbing was Thomas' comment made on a public list service- "I know some angry former Navy carrier jocks who want to take a Lear jet and bounce one of those bandits."


This above threat by Thomas has sparked other similar comments such as:"How long till some defense-minded survivalist shoots down one of these illegal, unmarked, poison spreading planes. Then maybe it will get more attention !!!!"
L=943778124>

Among the thousands of people who read and believe the ENS articles and ENS reporter Thomas' claims, one recounts his personal experience: "I have lost everything due to my obsession with "contrails". My wife has kicked me out
after 8 Yrs. of marriage. I've heard them at night and seen them by day. My wife thinks I am crazy, yet I know what I see. My eyes just don't lie. I've been watching these planes lay their lines in the sky. I discerned from a flight from Miami to Boston that at 10,000 ft. a cloud layer, they were causin."

(Message 232 of 607)

Who can tell the effect this has on unstable people already close to the edge of sanity, an example: " In South Philly, around Oregon Ave. and 20th (I think 20th).
MANY people out at the Toys-R-Us there. Kites cruising at less than 500 feet, making banking passes over the area of the city. A film was drifting across the moon, and the speed that the texture of it went by made me think the
film was very low. I could see the rainbows around the moon...all red and yellow, but maybe at night one doesn't see the rest of the colors..... They cruise around,
banking over the city, as many as seven in the sky at once, although normal number at any given moment is 2 - 3. We believe they are KC-10 or VC-9s, so they are the same fusalage as a DC-9 or -10. Not small planes. Very very quiet, and many have the refeuling bank of lights under the fusalage just under the nose to the wings." TL=945506068>

Ms. Lewis, as editor-in chief of ENS, you are responsible for maintaining the credibility of your news service.

In the year since you first carried this story, it has become apparent that:

- No alleged "spraying" is occurring, that contrails seen are the effect of normal air traffic, and that no medical test or material analysis exists to support the idea
that contrails are anything other than simple water vapor.

-ENS reporter William Thomas has a financial conflict of interest in selling "protection" from a nonexistent "chemtrail scare" he is promoting.

-The possibility exists that the reports carried by ENS will eventually lead to a tragic event of terrorism against a commercial airplane perpetrated as a direct
result of the fear and panic generated by the ENS reports and subsequent actions by ENS reporter William Thomas.

- The allegation of "chemtrails" has been refuted by the USAF

- The allegations of "chemtrails" were found to be "unsubstantiated conjecture" by the Congressional Research Service's Report to Congress on Contrails 6/1/99.

- The allegations of "chemtrails" were also found baseless by the US EPA, the New Mexico Environment Dept., the NM Attorney General, the Ohio State EPA, the CA AQMD, and even Greenpeace.

-All professional pilots, meteorologists, and experts on contrails that I have contacted say the photos shown are normal contrails.

Ms. Lewis, on 10/5/99, I first directed you to view the contents of my website

and communicate whether or not you would issue a retraction of the articles referred to above.

My website provided extensive documentation for you showing that the attributes of contrails described in the ENS articles as "not normal" are in fact known to be normal. These facts, which directly contradict the allegations by ENS, are verifiable and confirmable, whereas those in the ENS articles are provably false speculation and heresay.

Even after referring you to these facts, I got no response from you or from William Thomas.

I will be renewing the website on 1/1/2000 to include a historical account of the contrails controversy, which predates your involvement by two years, but which received it's first "credibility" by ENS' involvement.

I will also be including the earliest promoters of the contrail scare which include various racists[Joel Burton of Posse Comitatus.org], a confessed felon now on probation for mail fraud[Larry Wayne Harris], a talk radio host who boasts of getting the heaven's gate cult to commit suicide[Chuck Shram], and a fellow who believes the earth is a hollow inhabited sphere[Chuck Warren].

I would like to be able to say that ENS now regrets and retracts the articles on chemtrails they had published, apologizes to their readership, asks to be forgiven for not more carefully vetting submissions, and disassociates itself from the actions of William Thomas.

I await your response.

Jay Reynolds

http://goodsky.homestead.com/files/thomas.html

Reply from James Crabtree on 12/28/99:

Hello Jay

Thanks for the thoughtful letter.

We have disassociated our news service from Will Thomas and will immediately
ask that he remove anything relating to ENS from his website. Please
understand that this is not a reaction to anything you have written, but
rather to other circumstances between Mr. Thomas and our company.

Our stories were written based on all the knowledge we had available at the
time. As soon as the first article was written you certainly had every
opportunity to reply with facts that could add to or augment subsequent
stories on the contrail issue.

If you can put together an event based story on this issue we would
certainly consider publishing your contribution. Any story we publish must
stand up to the facts available and be free of bias, opinion or commentary.

It appears, just from the extensive list of addressees attached to this
email, that you are attempting to foment controversy rather than,
professionally and diligently, bring facts to the forefront. The multitude
of erroneous addresses in your message header suggests that you are careless
with fact checking. Perhaps you should reconsider your rather aggressive,
public denunciations since you are obviously prone to factual lapses
yourself.

We look forward to any fact-based article you may be able to provide that
would allow the public to make a more informed decision on the contrails
situation.

*********************************
Jim Crabtree
Managing Editor
Environment News Service (ENS)
E-Wire
editor@ens-news.com
http://ens.lycos.com
"We Cover the Earth for You"
**********************************
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
Jim's history of chemtrails conveniently neglects the known origin of the controversy, a hoax perpetrated by a neo-nazi named Larry Wayne Harris.

http://goodsky.homestead.com/files/evolution.html

You can positively date chemtrails to Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:18:37.

Any history neglecting this fact is a cover-up.

That rumored lab report has never emerged publicly, yet it carried the hoax for the first three years.
An interesting read. It should be made into a character study movie.
A black comedy directed by the Cohen brothers, starring Steve Buscemi, Bryan Cranston from Breaking Bad and Phillip Seymour Hoffman.
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
An interesting read. It should be made into a character study movie.
A black comedy directed by the Cohen brothers, starring Steve Buscemi, Bryan Cranston from Breaking Bad and Phillip Seymour Hoffman.
I am looking for Larry Wayne Harris, whom I'd like to interview. if anyone knows of his whereabouts, I'd appreciate knowing.
 

rezn8d

Jim Lee
I am looking for Larry Wayne Harris, whom I'd like to interview. if anyone knows of his whereabouts, I'd appreciate knowing.
I added your article to the timeline. According to you, the "chemtrail" conspiracy happens to start 3 years after the Air Force introduced JP8 +100 and +100LL. Apparently this is the beginning of "persistent" contrails?
 

Mick West

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I added your article to the timeline. According to you, the "chemtrail" conspiracy happens to start 3 years after the Air Force introduced JP8 +100 and +100LL. Apparently this is the beginning of "persistent" contrails?
Persistent contrails have been around since 1921.
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
I added your article to the timeline. According to you, the "chemtrail" conspiracy happens to start 3 years after the Air Force introduced JP8 +100 and +100LL. Apparently this is the beginning of "persistent" contrails?
No, it is the beginning of the hoax that is called "chemtrails". In those days usenet and e-mail listservers were the equivalent of the present day messageboards. Whatever was current in those days is archived through google groups and maybe other places. If anyone doubts when and how the hoax started, just do some searching in the archives and you will see. A very few references to contrails, then a quickening after Harris & Finke spammed ther email in September of 1997. Full blown after William Thomas wrote his ENS article, wholly based on the Harris hoax.

Jim, I wrote to G. Edward Griffin and recommended you as the best person to develop a web presentation of his flight tracking research. That was done two years ago where he and many volunteers found ordinary commercial jets making "chemtrails". Their work has been duplicated many times since and anyone can do it. He needs help and you can bring some real clarity to the subject.

Those jets don't use the air force fuels you speak of. They all use kerosene based fuels that, as you well know produce water vapor. For that matter, before jet engines gasoline powered planes made persistent contrails.

So, to try and lay persistent contrails on the USAF or any fuel is being deceptive. Of the millions of photos taken of persistent contrails/"chemtrails", the vast majority in which the planes are identifiable show ordinary commercial jets.


Now, I see you have titled your site, "The End of Chemtrails".

Nice idea!

The hoax is basically over now, as the general population gets to know that ordinary passenger jets make persistent contrails which people have been falsely calling "chemtrails", all the pieces will fall in place for the hoax's extinction.

You can be at the dead-end of a branch of history like the Neanderthals or be a part of the awakening which will come whether you or anyone else likes it or not. The day is coming when chemtrails will be considered the "Piltdown Man" of this century. That is the ONLY way this will end. Get over it. There is absolutely NOTHING any of you can ever do to make a hoax a reality. I've been watching people try for fifteen years and none of them have ever even come close. I've seen thousands of people just like you. You cannot make a LIE into a Truth, Jim. No matter how hard you try you will just become frustrated and eventually quit. The choice is yours, be part of the future or be lost in the past, a footnote in the history of the hoax.

Did Griffin get in touch with you? If not, shoot him an email, he needs help to publish his work. Someone will eventually do it, why not be a positive force for good?
 

Boston

Active Member
I've no idea what happened between the banned party and the assumed victim, however my own personal experience with being banned from a site was that I exposed a member for having patented ( or at least winding up to ) someone else's invention and passing it off as there own. I pointed out that this person failed to mention the device they forwarded to the group for discussion was actually a very old design by someone who'd just died, yet never patented it themselves. The person offered to discuss "their" device in detail yet when pressed for those details refused to provide them "pending publication" and possible development protections, IE patents. I called them on what I saw as an ethics issue and they threatened to sue the site claiming libel. I held my ground and we both got banned for life. The host was, understandably, not interested in legal battles. But I don't find it a badge of honor nor am I real impressed with being banned from anywhere. Eventually I'd like to rejoin that particular site as its technical base was most useful, but I'm not so sure how to get around the ban.

I'm not sure who did what to who, but my own experience with being banned left me with a rather bitter taste and somewhat of a longing for friends I'd spent years conversing with over the net.

My two cents about being banned

cheers
B
 

Mick West

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Staff member
That was rezn8d, he's unbanned now. Hence his post above.

I usually just ban people for a week or so, to allow some breathing space. And usually for politeness violations.
 

Boston

Active Member
Hey now, I'm not rezn8d.

what gives ?


My bad, I see a post of his a few ago.

we now return you to your normally scheduled programing
 

cloudspotter

Senior Member.
I see the delightful John Massaria is sharing Jims timeline around several Facebook pages claiming it as definite proof of chemtrails. Doesn't seem to be entering into discussion though.
 

keefe

Active Member
I just discovered this thread - does anyone have information on when Clifford Carnicom and / or Dane Wigington began to promote chemtrail theories?
 

Trailblazer

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Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
Carnicom began about 1999. He has a degree in Surveying and Photogrammetry, which is determining land form characteristics using high resolution photography. Rather than put his education and experience to good use which would allow everyone to identify the planes they see using telescopic photos of the planes, he has chosen to stare down into microscopes looking at cotton lint fibers and spiderwebs which he has unsuccessfully tried to attribute to lines in the sky.

Dane Wigington mentions in the article linked by TB that in his "inception" he found dust on his solar panels:

The facts speak otherwise. He lives on a gravel road atop a mountain. You can view some of the realty offered in his area.

Typical summer temps get to 100 degrees and dust will blow so despite his claim that dust could only be coming from airplanes six miles overhead the more likely origin was under his feet.
 
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JFDee

Senior Member.
dust will blow so despite his claim that dust could only be coming from airplanes six miles overhead the more likely origin was under his feet.
So this is basically in a nutshell what has initially formed his belief?
  • Dust on an exposed glass surface
  • A fundamental misconception about the lab testing method applied which breaks up dust to its elements
  • The fact that he only picked those 'suspicious' metals for testing
Wow.
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
So this is basically in a nutshell what has initially formed his belief?
  • Dust on an exposed glass surface
  • A fundamental misconception about the lab testing method applied which breaks up dust to its elements
  • The fact that he only picked those 'suspicious' metals for testing
Wow.
This is the way he put it:
I wondered why Dane hasn't shown those dust tests, and could never find them, nor was he responsive to my request for a copy, nor were any of the others I asked about. If you read between the lines of my request, you might see why I began asking for those particular results.

 
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