Operation Blackstar - Col Craig Roberts Details How The Feds Plan to Seize 401Ks

The below video is an interview with Col Craig Roberts, retired Air force, who breaks down (among other items) Operation Blackstar. This is the Federal Government’s plan to seize 401ks from American Citizens and will claim its necessary because of the governments budgetary crisis. They will replace these with so-called government backed retirement instruments so that they can claim they aren’t actually stealing the people’s money. He also details how the government has been preparing for this by stockpiling arms because they (the Feds) know that this act could spark a major civil upheaval which could lead to a civil war like scenario.

While some will take it in stride because they believe whatever the government says or because they are dependent on some form of Government welfare and therefore have no choice but to go along, the Feds know that a sizeable number will stand up and say absolutely not and those many of those will be prepared to take action to defend their property and to oust what they see as an illegitimate government.

The complete interview is just under an hour and since many do not want to spend that much time or can’t (due to time constraints) you can jump to the 25 minute mark and hear just the part about the Blackstar plan.

ATTN Debunkers: I’m sure many are just chomping at the bits to refute this but do take note that Col Craig Roberts is not Alex Jones and simply calling him a Conspiracy Theorists is not enough to “debunk” him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc1VPU1n8kA&feature=plcp
 

Charlie Primero

Active Member
The below video is an interview with Col Craig Roberts, retired Air force, who breaks down (among other items) Operation Blackstar.

Interesting. Who formulated this Operation Blackstar plan? Is it a military plan?


He also details how the government has been preparing for this by stockpiling arms because they (the Feds) know that this act could spark a major civil upheaval which could lead to a civil war like scenario.

This sounds implausible to me. Modern Fascism has developed social control techniques so sophisticated that they obviate the need for actual violence.

That, combined with the fact you mention that the vast majority of Americans depend on government spending for sustenance makes the possibility of mass insurrection in the United States approach zero.
 

SR1419

Senior Member.
No Roberts isn't Alex Jones...but he is ON Alex Jones stoking the fear...

Alex Jones just makes claim after claim and he just nods in agreement...

As far as Operation Blackstar- "I got some information, I can't verify it, I don't know anything more about it but I will just mention it". classic.

Whats to debunk?

But fear not- Alex as talked "a lot of really wealthy people and famous folks and ALL their top financial advisers are telling them there is going to be a total collapse"

Well then it must be true.
 

Gunguy45

Senior Member.
Well...here's a big issue (no I didn't watch the vid)......he wasn't a Colonel...he was a Lt Col. (29 yrs and only made Lt Col?) He wasn't in the Air Force...he was in the National Guard and then Army Reserve. Uhhh how many Army reserve mid level officers are privy to high level info? Again...didn't watch the vid....but how did he come upon this info?

Oh....and why would they stockpile arms or ammunition? Does anyone realize exactly how much stuff is sitting around in armories all over the place? I managed 3 Navy barracks on an Army base before I retired. 2 of them had armories in the basements that were for Army Reservists. As I remember each was enough for 2 companies. There were approximately 8 of the buildings in just the section we occupied. Every barracks having active companies living in them had their own armory.

I also served on 2 Navy Weapons Stations........believe me....either one could probably have supplied all the small arms and ammo for the entire Navy for several years even in a real conflict.

Stockpiling....not really required since it's already been done since the Revolutionary War.
 

cheeple

Member
Yes I know about this it's called the Ghilarducci Plan it's funded by the Rockefeller Foundation, Ghilarducci’s think tank The Schwartz Center for Economic Policy Analysis or "SCEPA" and it is an Obama Administration front group to grease the politicalskids to make 40l(k) nationalization a reality.

In a 2009 research paper, Ghilarducci declared “Guaranteed Retirement Accounts [GRAs] are
like universal 401(k) plans except that the government, as befits a large and enduring institution, will
invest and manage the pooled savings.” That’s because, as the professorial Ghilarducci believes,
“Humans often lack the foresight, discipline, and investing skills required to sustain a savings plan.”
(Of course, that analysis of “humans” would not apply to left-leaning PhDs, members of Congress, and
bossy bureaucrats – who somehow are endowed with the skills needed to manage everyone else’s
investments.)

Ghilarducci touts her proposed accounts as enabling everyone to avoid stock market risk and
still earn guaranteed inflation-beating returns. She would have you believe that the government can
magically guarantee that the money under its control will earn a 3% annual return on top of inflation.
The notion that anyone can guarantee sizable inflation-beating gains in perpetuity with zero downside
is a naive fantasy at best. It’s probably more accurately described as a canard put out to hoodwink the
gullible public.
The government could conceivably create dollars out of thin air to make good on promises
denominated in fixed dollars. But paying out promises denominated in ever-increasing purchasing
power on the scale proposed by Ghilarducci is an impossible task to pull off given the government’s
financial condition and the magnitude of the existing obligations that are already going to be
impossible for the government to pay in constant, non-depreciated dollars. The inescapable
conclusion: Any “inflation adjustment” on Guaranteed Retirement Accounts will be a total sham.
Under the Ghilarducci Plan, 50% of your GRA automatically goes to the government upon
your passing, not your heirs. And that’s just for starters. Future tax deferments to 401(k)s and IRAs
would be scrapped in exchange for a supposedly guaranteed 3% annual real return.
Backers of government-controlled accounts stress that 401(k)s will still be “legal” under her
plan – yet if 401(k)/IRA tax advantages are removed, employers will no longer have a financial
incentive to offer them at all. (All part of an active “herding” process to force private retirement funds
into government-approved “investments.”)
John Belluardo, President of the Stewardship Financial Services in New York, notes: “A lot of
people contribute to their 401(k) because of the match of the employer… if the tax deferral goes away,
the employers will have no reason to do the matches, which primarily help people in the lower income
brackets…”
By making 401(k)s and IRAs unattractive vehicles for investing, the government is setting
things up to make “converting” over to a government-run Guaranteed Retirement Account your best choice......but wait a minute I thought that was called Social Security.

I have the video of her if you can stomach it.

 
Well...here's a big issue (no I didn't watch the vid)......he wasn't a Colonel...he was a Lt Col. (29 yrs and only made Lt Col?) He wasn't in the Air Force...he was in the National Guard and then Army Reserve. Uhhh how many Army reserve mid level officers are privy to high level info? Again...didn't watch the vid....but how did he come upon this info?



You got me. In my haste to post this (because I don't have near as mcuh tiome to visit metabunk like I used to) I listed the wrong service and listed Colonel instead or Lt Colonel. List ing airfroce instead of Army was an error.

He came upin th einfo from someone he knows whose inside the Defesne Departemtn (going from memeory here so I may have the worng departemtn again). The point of sharing this is that this is not a Conspiracy Theory guru who is saying as Alex Jones has that a civil unrest is beeing planned for and he epxlains what event will possibly trigger this.

Before anyone (not just you gunguy45) tries to dismiss this as not being possible keep in mind the government is not a starnger to confiscation. It scammed number of citizens out of their gold (many decades ago - don't recall the exact date from memory) by giving them faux paper in exchange. Obama pushed hard, REAL HARD to get Obamacare passed, do you really think he would hesitate to exchange peoples 401k's for some faux government backed savings instrument?
 

SR1419

Senior Member.
but according to Ghilarducci the program would be voluntary:

http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/site/comment/reply/10332

here is the study they made:

http://www.economicpolicyresearch.org/modeling-a-gra-system-in-the-us.html

http://www.economicpolicyresearch.org/guaranteeing-retirement-income.html

It does seem like a bit of a pipe-dream fiscally but certainly not the stormtroopers coming to take your 401k away that AJ wants you to believe.



And why do you say that SCEPA is an Obama Admin "front"?

Its been around a lot longer than the Obama Admin
 

Charlie Primero

Active Member
Retired Police Office, Vietnam veteran, author and family man........I question his credibility.

Ha! Me too.

I haven't looked at the numbers, but American 401(k)s are probably chump change for the international banksters, not even worth their time.

Those retirement accounts are worth many times their numerical value as a propaganda tool.

The greatest innovation in human farming techniques was to give the cattle the illusion of freedom. They produce much more.
 

Gunguy45

Senior Member.
Retired Police Office, Vietnam veteran, author and family man........I question his credibility.

I'm not sure whether you are being facetious or not.

I meant to include this link...my mistake...http://www.riflewarrior.com/a_military_career_from_a_militar.htm

Nothing I could find about LE employment...though that would make sense as he was in the ANG and AR, had to have a full time job.. I notice he also has been interviewed (yes on AJ) about OK City.

My bad...he apparently was trained as a helo pilot on his own dime...according to his own website. Odd he never served in that function in the military?

He was personally requested to help investigate the OKC bombing? Really?

Personally...I doubt much of this could be proved.
 

cheeple

Member
Ha! Me too.

I haven't looked at the numbers, but American 401(k)s are probably chump change for the international banksters, not even worth their time.

Those retirement accounts are worth many times their numerical value as a propaganda tool.

The greatest innovation in human farming techniques was to give the cattle the illusion of freedom. They produce much more.
True, it's not about the "chump change" though it's about bringing down the American worker to Poverty to the point where they scream for socialism at any cost, even if it means giving up civil liberties.
 
Retired Police Office, Vietnam veteran, author and family man........I question his credibility.
Correction, Retired US Army. Ex-military are no strangers to Law Enforcement after leaving the service so its nothing odd or strange that this guy was in the Army and a Police Officer.
 

Gunguy45

Senior Member.
Be clear...he was not retired Army....he was retired AR and ANG. Still not sure if he was a LEO...many helo pilots are not. There's a difference between being a pilot for the police and being a police officer.
 

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