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In the interview with Fred Baker (associate of Jake Barber), Fred describes two sightings from his CE5 experience:
Source: https://youtu.be/o72BBZYXm9c?si=5XQMJ-qsF1tfXueC&t=828
"It fell like, if you imagine putting a really small pebble in the water, and it flutters down, that's what it was doing, and as it got closer and closer it got brighter and brighter." "And it did the same movement all the way back up into the atmosphere." "It did that three times." "How do you fake this?"
Here's how I would fake that: If the viewer expects the fluttering to have the same amplitude all the way down, then you can use that to mess with the viewer's sense of how close or low the object is coming by increasing the amplitude over time, likewise with the brightness. That could give a sense that it's coming down much faster than it really is. Do your linear algebra correctly, and it would be indistinguishable to someone on the ground from an object that was descending at a much higher rate. As long as it "descends" at a high enough altitude relative to the viewer, it never has to actually move very fast to give the impression of falling much faster, in the same way that, eg, if you show a movie of an oncoming train, the projection of the train isn't actually approaching the audience, but the audience will feel like it is because it's visually 'growing' at the right rate, well, how do you make a drone look like it's 'growing'? I'd do it by giving it a repetitive motion with increasing amplitude and increasing brightness, and this one had those features, which is interesting.
I'd love to see a reconstruction of this, it would be a neat illusion.
Then he describes the next one: "this massive triangle was in the sky. And please don't ask me to figure out how big it was or how far away it was. It was huge." "[Football field size?] Bigger." "There are lights on each of the points" "there was nothing in the middle" "It had little 'minions' if you will, flying all around it" "spiralling around this thing" "[it was a solid object?] Yes." "again, how do you fake this"
First note that drones with lights on are going to be much brighter than the stars behind them to the point that you wouldn't be able to see any stars behind them, so if you had a bunch of drones around, it would look opaque even if it isn't, right? So, first, position a bright drone at each point of the triangle. Then the 'minions' serve to obscure the stars behind the body of the triangle, while also contributing to the perception of the triangle as a solid object by flying 'behind' it and turning off as soon as they go behind, to give the impression that the triangle is solid, that it's obscuring them. This also strikes me as a perfect, clever way to fake this effect, so it's interesting that it had minions spiralling around it. It didn't need to. Most black triangle reports don't feature minions. But this one did.
I'd also love to see a reconstruction of this.
I'm totally open to the possibility that when Fred sees this theory he'll just say "no, there were additional details that ruled that out", but he didn't report any such details in the interview!
Source: https://youtu.be/o72BBZYXm9c?si=5XQMJ-qsF1tfXueC&t=828
"It fell like, if you imagine putting a really small pebble in the water, and it flutters down, that's what it was doing, and as it got closer and closer it got brighter and brighter." "And it did the same movement all the way back up into the atmosphere." "It did that three times." "How do you fake this?"
Here's how I would fake that: If the viewer expects the fluttering to have the same amplitude all the way down, then you can use that to mess with the viewer's sense of how close or low the object is coming by increasing the amplitude over time, likewise with the brightness. That could give a sense that it's coming down much faster than it really is. Do your linear algebra correctly, and it would be indistinguishable to someone on the ground from an object that was descending at a much higher rate. As long as it "descends" at a high enough altitude relative to the viewer, it never has to actually move very fast to give the impression of falling much faster, in the same way that, eg, if you show a movie of an oncoming train, the projection of the train isn't actually approaching the audience, but the audience will feel like it is because it's visually 'growing' at the right rate, well, how do you make a drone look like it's 'growing'? I'd do it by giving it a repetitive motion with increasing amplitude and increasing brightness, and this one had those features, which is interesting.
I'd love to see a reconstruction of this, it would be a neat illusion.
Then he describes the next one: "this massive triangle was in the sky. And please don't ask me to figure out how big it was or how far away it was. It was huge." "[Football field size?] Bigger." "There are lights on each of the points" "there was nothing in the middle" "It had little 'minions' if you will, flying all around it" "spiralling around this thing" "[it was a solid object?] Yes." "again, how do you fake this"
First note that drones with lights on are going to be much brighter than the stars behind them to the point that you wouldn't be able to see any stars behind them, so if you had a bunch of drones around, it would look opaque even if it isn't, right? So, first, position a bright drone at each point of the triangle. Then the 'minions' serve to obscure the stars behind the body of the triangle, while also contributing to the perception of the triangle as a solid object by flying 'behind' it and turning off as soon as they go behind, to give the impression that the triangle is solid, that it's obscuring them. This also strikes me as a perfect, clever way to fake this effect, so it's interesting that it had minions spiralling around it. It didn't need to. Most black triangle reports don't feature minions. But this one did.
I'd also love to see a reconstruction of this.
I'm totally open to the possibility that when Fred sees this theory he'll just say "no, there were additional details that ruled that out", but he didn't report any such details in the interview!
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