OKC bombing? Why no threads?

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JennerH

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Am I just missing the thread on the Oklahoma City bombing. There seems to be no mention of it on this site. In my opinion, it has some of the most glaring inconsistencies of all the topics mentioned here.

1. Size of the bomb relative to resulting damages. General Ben Partin (a very competent source) did a study on this and has openly spoken of his lfindings. Please don't refer me to the Discovery Channels "studies" by New Mexico Tech. Seen them. The Discovery Channel is not a reputable source.

2. Numerous eyewitness accounts of another suspect seen with McVeigh on the days leading up to the bombing and on that same day.

3. The mysterious "suicide" of Terrance Leakey. He had cuts all over his body and the trajectory of the bullet that killed him is inconsistent with suicide. Also, he had no powder burns. His family and friends say he had information that he was taking to a storage locker in El Reno (suburb) as soon as he could "shake the feds".

4. The Elohim City connections. Carol Howe, Andreas Strassmeier, etc.

5. Reports of multiple undetonated devices in the building in the moments following the attack.

6. The mysterious lack of ATF agents in the building that day.

7. Reports of threats to that building dating back 10 days before the bombing. (Why still have children in the building if there were a threat, or anybody for that matter.)

8. 2 ATF agents claimed to be in the building when it happened. One said he was in a elevator that went into freefall for 5 stories. After which, he escaped and saved lives. It was later revealed that none of the governors on the elevators were tripped, indicated no free fall. The other man claimed to use his martial arts skilled to bust through several walls, injuring his hand. There is video of this man, who seems to be perfectly fine with no sign he was in a building that was utterly destroyed.

I am in no way a conspiracy theorist. These things just stand out to me and they don't add up. Feel free to debunk any and all of these issues.
 
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Svartbjørn

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The best thing to do @JennerH is to pick on of those particular items and state your case for it with backed up documentation. State the sources you have that contradict the "official story" and why, followed up with the science behind each of those items. OKC is very similar to 9/11 in that its way too complicated to just tackle head on. This particular site is dedicated to debunking specific claims or taking on bad science related to said claims. Not trying to shrug you off or anything of the sort, but in the time Ive been here thats what ive seen get the most and best results. Hope this helps.
 

MikeC

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The Terrance Yeakey (note spelling) "murder" almost debunks itself - firstly sites all over complain there was no autopsy, and then they post pictures supposedly taken from the autopsy report - you can't have it both ways!!

Eg Who killed Terrance Yeakey

and:


Note also how the image is canted over to create a 45 degree downward angle and then it is claimed....

I only have MS paint, so can't rotate the skull to a vertical position so that it shows the ACTUAL angle - but clearly whoever wrote this is falsifying the data - the angle appears to me to be more 20-25 degrees than 40-45.

So the claim has false data and a fairly major internal inconsistency - these don't make it untrue of course.....but they make me pretty suspicious!
 

jaydeehess

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Feel free to debunk any and all of these issues.
You listed a bunch of allegations with little to no reference regarding them. How is anyone to debunk an issue if you don't supply the source of it?

As for "Discovery Channel" not being a reputable source; the data wasn't supplied by the channel, that was New Mexico Tech. Is New Mexico Tech not reputable? Did the program misrepresent the work done, if so, how?

You say Partin is a very competent source. Is he? What causes you to have that opinion? Is there a link to his work and calculations in this matter?
 

Melbury's Brick

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Re. point 5.........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

 

MikeC

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6. The mysterious lack of ATF agents in the building that day.

False - from the Grand Jury report:

 

MikeC

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4. The Elohim City connections. Carol Howe, Andreas Strassmeier, etc.

What about it? the Grand Jury report linked in the post above includes this:

 

MikeC

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Re. point 5.........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing


Also from the Grand Jury report:

 

MikeC

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8. 2 ATF agents claimed to be in the building when it happened. One said he was in a elevator that went into freefall for 5 stories. After which, he escaped and saved lives. It was later revealed that none of the governors on the elevators were tripped, indicated no free fall. The other man claimed to use his martial arts skilled to bust through several walls, injuring his hand. There is video of this man, who seems to be perfectly fine with no sign he was in a building that was utterly destroyed.

Regarding elevators -

the rest seems, at worst, boastful. what conspiracy aspects do you claim here?
 

Melbury's Brick

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1. Size of the bomb relative to resulting damages. General Ben Partin (a very competent source) did a study on this and has openly spoken of his lfindings. Please don't refer me to the Discovery Channels "studies" by New Mexico Tech. Seen them. The Discovery Channel is not a reputable source.

What criteria have you used to determine General Partin is a competent source and NMT is not?

How do we determine whether Andres R. Perez, BAE/MAE (the author here) is a competent source?
https://failures.wikispaces.com/Murrah+Federal+Building


 

Keith Beachy

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Am I just missing the thread on the Oklahoma City bombing. .... These things just stand out to me and they don't add up. Feel free to debunk any and all of these issues.
There is no substance in the OP to refute. Where is the evidence?

Tim McVeigh did it. McVeigh bought the stuff, rented the truck, etc - the OP 8 points are based on opinions, lies, fantasy, poor research and a bunch of other failed logical and anti-intellectual nonsense. When you research each claim, you will find a bunch of failed opinions, and no evidence.
Tim made a giant bomb. I have used fertilizer and blew up my back yard, got grounded, and my fertilizer source was taken away. McVeigh wanted to kill, he found the a friendly city, where people let you part your moving truck filled with a giant bomb next to the building in OKC. An act he is proud of, and killing kids was collateral damage, his words.

McVeigh unable to get close in Dallas, picked OKC, a soft target. With only two main highways in OKC, and he was picked up exactly the distance and time from OKC going north to be a suspect; caught.

Where are the sources for the 8 things that got you fooled into, "they don't add up"? They don't add up because they are made up.

The OP 8 points have no evidence. Visit OKC, and see how friendly they are, and how evil it makes McVeigh, the kill babies on purpose killer. Bet McVeigh was gullible and believed a lot of CTs, like the list you have.


See the car? Right in front of that car is where McVeigh parked a giant bomb, almost under the building. Did you know the blast was so bad it killed people across the street in another building. Why did Partin make up stuff about OKC?
 
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