"Occam's Razor" - A Dark Comedy Short Film

David West

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Hey guys! I've been reading and getting info from Metabunk here and there for several years. I think this website is a fantastic resource! I'm a filmmaker, and about a week ago I released my most recent short film, Occam's Razor. It's a darkly comedic paranoid thriller about the dangers of conspiracy theorizing. I think you guys might get a kick out of it, so before I talk about myself anymore, here's the film:


As an anarcho-capitalist/voluntaryist/libertarian, I know a LOT of conspiracy theorists. I consider myself very much a skeptic, though, which has led to me stepping on a lot of toes and butting heads with other people in the liberty movement over this kind of stuff. I'm constantly getting into debates about "chemtrails", vaccines, GMO foods, and a variety of purported "false flag" attacks. The utter stupidity of some of the "crisis actor" theories floating around in regards to the Sandy Hook shooting are what inspired me to create Occam's Razor.

It's sort of funny how I was actually inspired to post the film here on Metabunk to share with all of you... Last night I was at a party that was almost entirely composed of libertarians and anarchists. Naturally, at some point the conversation turned to conspiracy theories, and a lot of the people were SHOCKED to find out that I didn't believe in anything. I got into a particularly spirited discussion with a couple who operates a website called "The Chembow," who I believe some of you have had run-ins with. They were pretty friendly to me, although at one point they seemed to think that I was a shill paid to infiltrate the party, despite the fact that I was personally invited by the host, who is a VERY prominent libertarian activist. Any attempt I made to engage in an honest and open debate with them was shut down immediately with arguments like, "That's just dis-info spread by shill websites Contrail Science and Metabunk!" They were horrified to learn that I like and have read a lot of stuff on BOTH of those sites.

When I saw how much they hated Metabunk, I decided I needed to share my film here. They specifically talked about how Mick West is a paid government shill. I was actually kind of waiting for them to wonder if Mick and I are related, haha. I wonder if they'll ask that question when they get home and take a closer look at my business card... Anyway, eventually I showed them and several other people at the party Occam's Razor, and suffice to say... The discussion that followed was very lively (and highly entertaining to me, because I have a weird sense of humor).

I'd love to know what you guys think of my short film! As people who are pretty familiar with conspiracy culture, I think you guys will appreciate a lot of the humor. And if you enjoy it on an artistic level, I have quite a few other short films on my YouTube channel you may enjoy as well.
 
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Mick West

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Hi David, I just watched it. It's quite well put, although I suspect many theorists will just think it's a caricature that does not apply to them - especially the bits with guns. Hopefully though it will give some pause for thought.

I got into a particularly spirited discussion with a couple who operates a website called "The Chembow," who I believe some of you have had run-ins with. They were pretty friendly to me, although at one point they seemed to think that I was a shill paid to infiltrate the party, despite the fact that I was personally invited by the host, who is a VERY prominent libertarian activist. Any attempt I made to engage in an honest and open debate with them was shut down immediately with arguments like, "That's just dis-info spread by shill websites Contrail Science and Metabunk!" They were horrified to learn that I like and have read a lot of stuff on BOTH of those sites.

When I saw how much they hated Metabunk, I decided I needed to share my film here. They specifically talked about how Mick West is a paid government shill.
That's fascinating, because I met Sharon and Gabe last summer in Santa Monica at a Chemtrails march, Aug 25 2013. I chatted with both of them, and there was an Infowars guy (Dean Ryan) there who interviewed me, and recorded a short debate between me and Sharon. I was talking to Sharon after that, explaining about the various routes that fly overhead of Santa Monica, and why the crossing trails are nearly all Hawaii traffic, and she was nodding, but then suddenly said "you're gaslighting me". That really surprised me, left me at a bit of a loss for words.

She gave me the address of her website, and I emailed her a couple of times later, but then Gabe emailed me and told me to stop emailing her, because he thought I was a paid shill and he considered the emails harassment.

They both seemed like lovely people, very intelligent and articulate, and it saddened me that they were stuck in that world. They probably now consider you and your film, and this post, to be part of some giant psyop.

http://thechembow.tumblr.com/post/59375304393/day-of-awakening-the-global-march-against-chemtrails
 

Mick West

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I was actually kind of waiting for them to wonder if Mick and I are related, haha.
I do actually have a bunch of relatives in the Medford/Grants Pass area. All in-laws though. I'm pretty sure I've driven past that spot on Main and Central where you filmed the flyer scene.
 

WeedWhacker

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I'm a filmmaker, and about a week ago I released my most recent short film, Occam's Razor. It's a darkly comedic paranoid thriller about the dangers of conspiracy theorizing. I think you guys might get a kick out of it, so before I talk about myself anymore, here's the film:
I will review it when I get the chance (likely, a little bit later this PM in the Pacific Daylight Time-Zone of the USA). Looking forward to it!! BRB.....
 

WeedWhacker

Senior Member
Last night I was at a party that was almost entirely composed of libertarians and anarchists. Naturally, at some point the conversation turned to conspiracy theories, and a lot of the people were SHOCKED to find out that I didn't believe in anything. I got into a particularly spirited discussion with a couple who operates a website called "The Chembow," who I believe some of you have had run-ins with. They were pretty friendly to me, although at one point they seemed to think that I was a shill paid to infiltrate the party, despite the fact that I was personally invited by the host, who is a VERY prominent libertarian activist. Any attempt I made to engage in an honest and open debate with them was shut down immediately with arguments like, "That's just dis-info spread by shill websites Contrail Science and Metabunk!" They were horrified to learn that I like and have read a lot of stuff on BOTH of those sites.

When I saw how much they hated Metabunk....

I'm getting deeper into your OP ( besides the video...which I began to watch, and personal opinion? Needs some "tightening up" in the intro....it begins to leave the opposite impression of what I "think" you are trying to convey).

BUT, the essence above that I C/P? It is disturbing on so many levels. Not directed towards you, but at those individuals who expressed themselves TO you.

May I ask, where this "party" was located? (You do not have to respond). The "problem" that I perceive, here, is by categorizing these other party guests as "libertarians" and "anarchists"....I am finding the 'lines of description' of those "labels" as being blurred, somewhat.

I would NEVER think that a "libertarian" (self-described) (***) would be so ignorant to fall for what is an obvious MYTH, such as....say, "chem"trails.

UNLESS.....perhaps you have tapped into an aspect of this mindset henceforth not recognized? Intriguing.


ETA: (***)...these asterisks. I know of several prominent 'libertarians' (no, not "Ron Paul"!!) who are also intellectually savvy, and technologically savvy enough to understand the science of contrails, and thus the hoax and myth of "chem"trails.
 

David West

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I'm glad you linked to those videos, Mick. I was meaning to look them up as they had referenced that interview at the party. The party was in the Santa Monica area, and I actually met Dean there as well. I talked about InfoWars with him a bit because funnily enough a film that I made earlier this year -- Dick Johnson: TSA Wunderkind -- won me $10,000 from a contest they put on with the intent of making fun of the TSA. I figured that was one of their causes that I could actually get behind, haha!

I'd never heard the term "gaslighting" before, so thanks for linking me to the Wikipedia page! What brilliant way to blow off any information that doesn't line up with your preconceived notions without admitting to yourself that you're just close-minded. I'll have to keep my ears open for future usage of this term. It is indeed sad that such passionate and articulate people are caught up in this nonsense.

Indeed, several of the people I showed the film to said EXACTLY what you thought they would... That the film is a caricature that doesn't apply to them. I thought it was kind of funny that they acted like they'd thrown down a trump card when they pointed out that the main character is a caricatured pastiche of conspiracy theorist cliches when that's pretty obviously EXACTLY what I was going for. Personally, I thought that they were sort of cliched conspiracy theorists themselves! At one point, they were criticizing a woman ("Chemtrail Kathy," I think) who they think discredits the movement by walking around like a loon with a literal tinfoil hat. I had to suppress a laugh because all I could think of were the "organite" pendants that they had showed me at the party earlier.

Guns are VERY big in the liberty movement, and obviously they were integral to the plot of my film, but interestingly that was another thing that the crowd I showed the film to last night seemed to take umbrage with. Several of them were very quick to tell me that, "We aren't all crazy gun owners!" and that they do not even own guns themselves, though the do believe people should have the right to. One guy seemed to think that I was trying to demonize gun owners, and I had to explain to him that I actually own several dozen guns, carry one at all times, and shoot regularly. I've found that these folks are VERY quick to jump to conclusions.

I gotta be honest, Weedwhacker... I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to ask me. I'm a libertarian anarchist myself, so I'm definitely not trying to discredit these people's political views if that's what you're getting at. I'm also well aware that there are many libertarians who DON'T buy into this stuff. As one myself, I associate with a lot of these people and am a member of several "Libertarian Skeptic" groups.
 

WeedWhacker

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I gotta be honest, Weedwhacker... I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to ask me. I'm a libertarian anarchist myself, so I'm definitely not trying to discredit these people's political views if that's what you're getting at.
I am sorry if I "got off on the wrong foot" here. I think that sometimes "labels" can lead to false assumptions. As I try to convey, I attempt to ....not "judge"....perhaps "gauge" a person, based on the responses to what I read.
 

jaydeehess

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I grew up in a low populated area of Canada, north western Ontario. I was born on the mid 1950s and I DO recall seeing contrails in the 60s, 70s, as well as the 80s and throughout my life. My father, who was never a science geek the way I am , explained that this was water vapour from the aircraft engines.
What I also notice has occurred since then is the huge rise in air traffic. Waaay back, Canada had but one airline. A few have come and gone or merged.
 

jaydeehess

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Watched "Occam's Razor" , good job. Good script, nice cinematography and editing.
Have you shopped it around film festivals? Perhaps TIFF?
 

Jason

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I actually enjoyed the short film, and it was better than I expected it to be quite honestly. That's not a knock by any means, I'm just used to low quality YT short films is all. @David West I'm curious to know how you went about developing the character in the short film (meaning did you talk to people that are consumed with CT's to gain their perspective, or where you once looking up out of the rabbit hole yourself). Have you ever come across CTers in the same way your character was portrayed in the film? What gave you the idea to have him carry a gun in this film, is this because you believe those who succumb to this spiraling world of CT consumption also carry weapons or what?

Edit: Just saw you response above about why you chose a gun in this short film.
 
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David West

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Thanks @Jason! I'm glad you enjoyed it.

As I briefly touched on in my introductory post, being heavily involved in various forms of libertarian activism over the last 5 years has exposed me to a LOT of conspiracy theories and the people who believe in them. Even as a kid I was fascinated by conspiracy theories and the people who believed in them. I never bought into any of them myself, but I always found books and documentaries about UFOs, Area 51, bigfoot, and anything else paranormal or conspiratorial pretty fascinating. I've always thought that these things make great fodder for films.

I've met people who aren't all that different than the main character of my film. Making him carry a gun was done for obvious plot-related reasons, plus I loved the visual jokes that it made possible, such as the implication that he is going to kill the poor hobo and the hidden shotgun that he was packing the whole time. It wasn't really meant to be any sort of political statement or anything about the kind of people who get into conspiracy theories. I myself own several dozen firearms, hold concealed handgun licences for both Oregon and Utah, and carry a handgun virtually all the time. While libertarian conspiracy theorists (which is what this film is about and who I have the most intimate knowledge of) are almost invariably quite pro-gun on a philosophical level, many of them aren't necessarily "gun nuts." I'm certainly FAR more of a gun nut myself than the character in the film is.

@jaydeehess, no, I haven't submitted it to any film festivals yet, but I'm planning to. I'm pretty picky about which festivals I submit to, but with this film I'm actually happy enough with it that I may try to submit it to a few of the bigger festivals.
 

Analyst

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I enjoyed it too David, as it appeals to my sense of humour.
My favourite bit was the question on the board "Why is Jeff Bridges following me?". Ed would be proud.
 

Jason

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I never bought into any of them myself, but I always found books and documentaries about UFOs, Area 51, bigfoot, and anything else paranormal or conspiratorial pretty fascinating. I've always thought that these things make great fodder for films.
Fascinating, how? Where you wished there was proof to back up these CT's because you wanted them or some of them to be real, ie. aliens and ufo's. Or fascinated in how the mind and psychology of an individual who believes in CT's works. I'd also like to know what you are trying to "accomplish" with this film? Obviously recognition and or praise would be a nice benefit, but what was you're overall objective in terms of trying to reach the public. What message are you trying to get out there, so to speak. I want to see if your intended message aligns with what I got out of this film. Again, I thought it was done very well and enjoyed it, just trying to understand the writer and director and little better, thanks.
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And the guitar case was a nice surprise, and it wasn't until his second trip out of the house with it that I realized you were doing a little "Desperado", lol. It just had that feel to it, like something was going down with that case.
 
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David West

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I mean, hell... Who WOULDN'T want Aliens and Bigfoot to be real, right? Especially when I was younger, there was a little bit of that at play driving my interest. Reading books and watching films about those topics definitely always had me wishing that they were real, even though I never actually believed in any of them.

That was never my primary reason for being interested in that kind of stuff, though. I'm a storyteller and a cinephile; at the end of the day it's all about entertainment value for me. I LOVE the eerie, mysterious atmosphere that goes hand in hand with such subject matter. As I've gotten older and actually gotten to know a lot of people who believe in some pretty far-out conspiracy theories, I've grown to be sort of fascinated by the sub-cultures that surround them as well. Sub-cultures in general are something that I often find pretty interesting.

As for what message I'm trying to convey here, I'd be shocked if what you've come up with is any different than what I intended because the narration pretty blatantly states the message towards the end of the film. I'm trying to point out that:

1) Most of these "conspiracy theories" are utterly ridiculous, and
2) They distract people from the real, undeniable issues that we KNOW are happening. The specific example I use in the film is war.

The film is aimed squarely at libertarian conspiracy theorists. They're definitely the ones that I think need to hear that message.
 

Jason

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I mean, hell... Who WOULDN'T want Aliens and Bigfoot to be real, right? Especially when I was younger, there was a little bit of that at play driving my interest. Reading books and watching films about those topics definitely always had me wishing that they were real, even though I never actually believed in any of them.

That was never my primary reason for being interested in that kind of stuff, though. I'm a storyteller and a cinephile; at the end of the day it's all about entertainment value for me. I LOVE the eerie, mysterious atmosphere that goes hand in hand with such subject matter. As I've gotten older and actually gotten to know a lot of people who believe in some pretty far-out conspiracy theories, I've grown to be sort of fascinated by the sub-cultures that surround them as well. Sub-cultures in general are something that I often find pretty interesting.

As for what message I'm trying to convey here, I'd be shocked if what you've come up with is any different than what I intended because the narration pretty blatantly states the message towards the end of the film. I'm trying to point out that:

1) Most of these "conspiracy theories" are utterly ridiculous, and
2) They distract people from the real, undeniable issues that we KNOW are happening. The specific example I use in the film is war.

The film is aimed squarely at libertarian conspiracy theorists. They're definitely the ones that I think need to hear that message.
Well said, my only contention is that after dealing with some in the libertarian movement, a film like this might have a negative impact and be used and contorted by them to fit their message. It will no doubt infuriate them as well, from my experience at least.
 

jaydeehess

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@jaydeehess, no, I haven't submitted it to any film festivals yet, but I'm planning to. I'm pretty picky about which festivals I submit to, but with this film I'm actually happy enough with it that I may try to submit it to a few of the bigger festivals.
Well, you might feel a bit naked if you submit it to TIFF and travel to Toronto. You will not be allowed to bring a handgun across the border, let alone carry it about. OTOH, short films and indie film makers do get a good showing at TIFF. A co-worker will be showing his group's film, "The Editor" there on Sept 11,12,13.
 

jaydeehess

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I should say that I had guessed at the missing fingers bit right off. My Grandfather fought in WW2 and had the outer three fingers of his right hand shot off by a Nazi machine gunner. In his case a wave always looked like he was making a "finger gun" (thumb and forefinger) sign.
 

David West

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Well, you might feel a bit naked if you submit it to TIFF and travel to Toronto. You will not be allowed to bring a handgun across the border, let alone carry it about. OTOH, short films and indie film makers do get a good showing at TIFF. A co-worker will be showing his group's film, "The Editor" there on Sept 11,12,13.
Yeah, I'm well aware of that. International travel isn't my thing. Plenty of festivals in the states to submit to. As a general rule, I only submit to festivals that are either local and cheap/free or that I have a realistic shot at winning something at. I've never found the traditional short-film model of spending hundreds if not THOUSANDS of dollars on submission fees submitting to as many film festivals as possible to be a particularly useful one.

My next major endeavor is going to be a feature film, though. Once I jump into the realm of feature films next year THEN I'll really start trying to court major festivals.
 

Jason

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Yeah, I'm well aware of that. International travel isn't my thing. Plenty of festivals in the states to submit to. As a general rule, I only submit to festivals that are either local and cheap/free or that I have a realistic shot at winning something at. I've never found the traditional short-film model of spending hundreds if not THOUSANDS of dollars on submission fees submitting to as many film festivals as possible to be a particularly useful one.

My next major endeavor is going to be a feature film, though. Once I jump into the realm of feature films next year THEN I'll really start trying to court major festivals.
If you don't mind being honest, how much money does it take to put something like this together, and I noticed you said you look for cheap or free festivals. Do film makers typically pay these festivals to show their films? Do festivals have a say as to what films they will allow or not allow, and are some festivals aligned politically or (....).
 

Phil V

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I was very pleased to find this film very shortly after joining this site and invoking Occam's Razor as one of my reasons for doing so. Yes, the "Jeff Bridges" moment was great.
 

David West

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It doesn't cost that much to make if you know how to be efficient and have a crew working with you that believes in the project. I spent less than $200 making Occam's Razor. The expenditures were pretty much all food and transportation related (I used donated frequent flier miles to bring my friend down from Seattle to play the lead), though I did have to buy a few props and get some printing done.

If you count the cost of the equipment that I already owned and have been using for the last two and a half years, you're looking at another $4,000 or so. The camera I shoot with is the Panasonic GH2, which at the time that I bought it 2012 went for about $700 for the body (no lens). Nowadays you can pick them up for half that used easily. Factor in 3 lenses (my favorite of which cost about $1,000), a follow focus, shoulder rig, batteries, memory cards, external monitor, audio equipment, lighting, home made dollies and cranes, etc. and you start to see where the rest of the $4,000 went.

To date, the most expensive short film I've made cost about $600, and it was far and away my most ambitious in terms of scale. I made it for a speed filmmaking competition last summer where I had 10 days to write and plan a film and 7 days to shoot and edit it (though what you see on YouTube does have a few weeks of additional post-production polishing). Here it is if you want to check it out:


You don't pay to have your films shown at festivals, you pay to submit them, and there's no guarantee that your film will even be selected. Generally the submission fees are in the $40-$80 range, though there are plenty of outliers on either side of that scale. It's VERY easy for a film to rack up hundreds or even thousands of dollars in film festival submission fees. As you can see, it would take no time at all for me to spend more submitting films to festivals than I do actually making my films.

And there are DEFINITELY politics at play in many film festivals. The above film, Liberation, was made for a Christian Speed Filmmaking competition called the "168 Project" (the idea being that you have 168 hours, one week, to shoot a film). 152 entries were completed on time, and 78 of them were chosen to screen at the three-day-long festival and be a part of the competition. Despite the fact that you theoretically only had to be in the top 50 percent quality wise and the bar was pretty low (these are hastily made films, after all), Liberation wasn't selected.

I tried to keep an open mind and even attended the film festival to watch all of the films, and some of them were so bad that I don't feel the least bit conceited saying that there is no way in hell that our film wasn't in the top 10% quality wise. The film that ended up winning was actually fantastic, but a lot of the films were absolute GARBAGE. Below is a great example of one of the films that was screened at the festival that's bottom 10% material. There were probably two dozen other films that were only marginally better than this one that screened:


I'm positive that it was our film's anti-government/anti-neo-conservative message that got it axed. There were several other films shown there that were more violent, and the version of the film that I submitted there didn't even have any digital blood splatters added. I (wrongly) assumed that this was going to be a relatively non-partisan event when I made my film, but a day or two before the festival selection was announced, Echolight studios (the company providing the prize money) also announced that they had just selected Rick Santorum as their new CEO. Not that I think he had anything at all to do with my film not getting selected, but it did make me realize that, no, this probably isn't quite as non-partisan a competition as I'd assumed. That's actually why I included the little gag about Rick Santorum being president in the YouTube release.

Another great example of how political film festivals can be is a local festival that takes place just a few miles down the road from me in Ashland, OR. Ashland is a city with a (well-earned) reputation as Southern Oregon's main bastion of liberals and hippies. I think it's a lovely town and I usually greatly enjoy spending time there, but this years film festival did irritate me a bit. I submitted two films, Liberation and an older film I made about 2 years ago called Enemies (which you can check out on my YouTube if you want to). Enemies was made up and shot completely on the fly with no script on a cross-country road trip. It turned out... Watchable, somehow, and a lot of people seem to have enjoyed it, but Liberation is a drastically better film in any way. And yet... Which film did they actually show? Enemies.

The run time difference is pretty negligible, and considering some of the ultra-gory zombie movies that screened in the locals-only screening alongside Enemies, the violence in Liberation was clearly a non-issue. I'm thankful that they were decent enough to at least show SOMETHING that I made, but come on... When both Enemies and Liberation screened at a local film festival in Klamath Falls a few weeks ago, Liberation took home the "Best Film" award for the whole festival. Few sane people ACTUALLY think that the incredibly rough, completely-impromptu Enemies is a better, worthier film. The Ashland film festival skews pretty heavily towards documentaries and films with left-wing, environmentally-conscious messages and new-age spiritual overtones, and it's not an exaggeration at all to say that quite a few of the films they screen in their locals-only show play like Portlandia sketches until you realize that they're serious, so it's pretty hard for me to imagine the reason for Liberation's exclusion as anything other than it's libertarian themes and blatantly Christian message.

Anyway... That turned out WAY longer than I'd anticipated it would be, @Jason. You keep asking me question so I guess I'm hoping that you're legitimately interested enough to read all of that. ;)
 

Jason

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The Ashland film festival skews pretty heavily towards documentaries and films with left-wing, environmentally-conscious messages and new-age spiritual overtones, and it's not an exaggeration at all to say that quite a few of the films they screen in their locals-only show play like Portlandia sketches until you realize that they're serious, so it's pretty hard for me to imagine the reason for Liberation's exclusion as anything other than it's libertarian themes and blatantly Christian message.
Do you think if you had perhaps considered another title it would've not been excluded? Do they preview or screen the movie prior to it's entry or just ask for the title and summary from the film maker?
What are your plans, is this a passion that you would like to see through- to get to the next level so to speak. Or is this just something you enjoy doing in your down time. How many hours did you spend making the film in the OP from start to "completely" finished..
Wow, I can't believe you only spent 200 bucks making that film. What are the top prizes worth, or is it more for recognition and perhaps a chance at meeting bigger names in the industry..
 

David West

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No, I doubt that would have made any difference. Festivals watch all the films that are submitted to them (or at least, they claim they do, I'm sure some submissions are too awful for them to complete, lol) before making their selection.

This definitely isn't just a hobby, I'm trying to make a career out of filmmaking. I've been doing this as close to full time as possible for over two years and just staying afloat with odd jobs and film contest winnings. My next endeavor is going to be a feature film to try to really take this thing tot he next level. I'm going to try raising around $25,000 in a few months on Kickstarter for a feature film that I hope to shoot next spring.

As for how many hours I spend making Occam's Razor... That's hard to say. It was shot in like 8 days, with most days being 12+ hours, and at least one or two as long as 18. After that it was sporadic work here and there as I actually kept preempting it for other projects that were more time-sensitive. I think it's safe to say that I spend several hundred hours working on it.
 

David West

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That is indeed my work. It went viral within the gun-rights community a few months ago. As much as it pains me that it's a clip I threw together in about about an hour that got 1.7 million views and not one of my actual short films, I haven't complained about the $2,000 or so in YouTube ad revenue it generated.
 

Jason

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That is indeed my work. It went viral within the gun-rights community a few months ago. As much as it pains me that it's a clip I threw together in about about an hour that got 1.7 million views and not one of my actual short films, I haven't complained about the $2,000 or so in YouTube ad revenue it generated.
How does the YT revenue happen? Does someone from YT contact you and draw up a contract or what
 

derwoodii

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Watched it, I had high hopes sorry dunno it did not gel for me.
Such a hard topic for a writer to capture to convey and then translate into film very tricky, you've got my respect to even try. i felt,, i felt i had seen the scenes before or the caricature been covered in other plots or scripts.
Bat on please if you can crack this complex subject into a story that your chosen audience or for your $$ the general media wants be great.
 

jaydeehess

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For TIFF international shorts the early submission charge is $50, late submissions $80, Canadian funds.
 
"We end up making the arrogant assumption that we are either important enough for the powers-that-be to want us silenced, or brilliant enough to discover something that no one else could. Oftentimes, we even think that we are both."

Hey, that's pretty good writing! Well-done, David. I enjoyed "Occam's Razor" quite a bit. I'm gonna go check out "Liberation" now before I hit the hay.

Don
 

Whitebeard

Senior Member.
Just watched a couple of your shorts, very very good stuff, you should really consider submitting something to my local short film festival, one of the biggest in Europe,

http://encounters-festival.org.uk/
http://encounters-festival.org.uk/

 
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