jarlrmai
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It saddens my heart that we've lost Mick to imperial measurements
News Nation - Light in the Sky video - Tedesco Brothers
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deirdre
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TEEJ
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The camera position would have been approximately where the second table is, with people seated at it
jimmyslippin
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I think they're a little further away from the bench than that. I previously looked at determining the exact positioning in posts #149 and #152.
I'm almost certain the camera was at 3x digital zoom because one of the Tedesco's complained about not being able to get any closer to the object. The view of those two poles from the very end of the Tedesco's video doesn't seem quite right from the location those people were standing at. I get the impression they would have only needed to turn slightly more to the right to get a view of the other two poles.
I'd say they were about where the woman in orange is.
jimmyslippin
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Also, using this as a reference:
Each frame is about 14.6° wide and it looks like that composite is just under 2 1/2 frames wide where the poles are, so roughly 35° side to side. They're facing 270°, and if they were standing at that table it seems like they would have needed to pan about 90° to the right to see that fourth pole, which seems too far.
Each frame is about 14.6° wide and it looks like that composite is just under 2 1/2 frames wide where the poles are, so roughly 35° side to side. They're facing 270°, and if they were standing at that table it seems like they would have needed to pan about 90° to the right to see that fourth pole, which seems too far.
deirdre
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can you guys identify this tree? im trying to decide if it would have leaves on it this time of year and im not seeing any autumn state park pics to determine the color they turn. (only red-brown leaves cling through winter at least in my non coastal connecticut.)
anyway a tree species identification would help. it might be technically a shrub.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxgwxfuN5rk
anyway a tree species identification would help. it might be technically a shrub.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxgwxfuN5rk
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The Tedesco footage was shot (they say) on the morning of Nov 19, 2022 - basically winter.
Mendel
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I don't understand this line at all, could you elaborate?
"Magnetic Heading: 236° True heading 258°, error = 270-12 = 18°"
JMartJr
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Northern Bayberry (wax myrtle, candle berry) is pretty common and a good candidate. The Northern Bayberry (Morella pensylvanica) is distinct from the southern varieties, which are evergreen. I read that the northern species can shed its leaves in the winter, though often retaining a smattering of brown leaves that don't quite get around to falling off...
https://naturewalk.yale.edu/trees/myricaceae/myrica-pensylvanica/northern-bayberry-111External Quote:
Other tree/shrubs I see mentioned as living on dunes in NJ are the Sand Dune Willow (sheds leaves in winter) and the low sand cherry (also drops its leaves.)
This is all based on google searching, I am not a botanist nor a New Jerseyite!
deirdre
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hmmm.. im not a coastal type personality so wonder if the coasts stay warmer for some reason. nov 19th isnt really winter, but where i am our leaves have turned by then.
We know the actual true heading of the UFO is 270° from the camera.
They claimed a heading of 236°, if that's a magnetic heading (i.e. the heading from an uncorrected magnetic compass) then that corresponds to a true heading of 258°, which is 18° less than 270°. Hence, they would have an error of 18°
Minor point, but it's Long Island, NY, not NJ.
deirdre
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this says april 9..so yea but maybe lots of bare spots that might throw the "it looks like a bear" thing this time of year. although a shrub like thing might be more protected from losing leaves.. seems iffy its full now but maybe.
Mendel
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Is that ChatGPT maths?
from what you wrote above, the true heading should be 12⁰ less than 236⁰, not 22⁰ more.
270-258=12, as you write, but then you get 18⁰ of error?
You stated above that the light was on a 282⁰ magnetic heading.
If that's correct, the error should be 282-236=46⁰.
JMartJr
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I stand corrected! ^_^
Fortunately, we're good either way.
Source: https://www.fs.usda.gov/database/feis/plants/shrub/morpen/all.html
Hah, no, it's just Mick-just-got up math (the first time).
I always get confused with magnetic declination as there's two ways you can look at it and it varies from East to West across the States. Let's try again. This is what John Tedesco sent me:
This is correct, a compass will point towards -12° (or 348°)
So to convert from true to magnetic, you have to add 12, which I where I tend to trip up. Of course, the most common thing you'd be doing is converting from magnetic to true, so you just add the declination (i.e. add -12, or subtract 12)
Here's a true compass (black ) and a magnetic compass with declination -12. Due north would give a magnetic heading of 12, so you add the -12 to that to get zero.
The red line shows the magnetic heading of 236, adding -12 gives 224 true
The blue line shows a true heading of 236, which would be magnetic 248
So back to the error. We know it's a true heading of 270, so the error is either
270-236 = 34°
or
270-224 (236 magnetic) = 46°, as you said
FastIndy
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**edit: Beaten to the punch, once again. **
Concur, if the claimed heading was magnetic, then the error is even worse. 236° - 13° (declination correction noted below) = 223° true heading, for an error of ~270 - 223 = ~47°.
It's a small correction, but the NOAA calculator is showing ~13° W declination.
NOAA Magnetic Declination, IGRF20 Model
Angatar
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I'm on Long Island and could take some photos once the snow is gone. I only have my phone camera so it won't be great quality. What do you want photos of?
NoParty
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jimmyslippin
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Go to this specific location - 40°37'19.8"N 73°16'42.4"W (Google Maps).
Face west and get a photo of this area.
Make sure the photo metadata is intact so we have the GPS coordinates from where it was taken.
JMartJr
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While you are there, might go to the other spot(s) they claimed they were at or that we were looking at. I'd shoot some pics in multiple directions, get all panoramic and such, just to have them in the can if needed as the story may evolve more -- might save you another trip!
deirdre
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i would also love a photo or video with zoom in if you can, of this location (also field 2). just to show the trees the tedesco brothers are claiming to be facing are not shaped like a bear.
with mine you can stay in your truck
and i dont care about GPS. its just for my own personal curiosity as anyone who has any chance of being honest knows that @jarlmarl already gave video proof of location, doesnt need more proof. but i am curious to see what the parking lot view is.jimmyslippin
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lol... I must have missed this. Where did they make this claim?
deirdre
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wasnt that always their location? https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ne...-sky-video-tedesco-brothers.13684/post-333972
jimmyslippin
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Yeah, I was referring to the description of bear shaped trees.
deirdre
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im th only one so far whose called it a bear shaped tree...because its shaped like a bear, but the tree is in their video. we're looking at it in their video. so IF they were where they claimed they were then there must be a second bear shaped tree in that other view location. see?
MonkeeSage
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Beareidolia
FatPhil
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I genuinely read that as "take a paranormal photo". 8-o
Not a bad idea, now I've parsed it.
JMartJr
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So take the best camera you have for the normal shots, and the worst one you have for the paranormal shots.
Kyle Ferriter
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The website for Robert Moses State Park says it closes at sunset. Trying to find if this is a soft "close" (commonly used discretionarily as a way to enable police to stop people from camping or throwing night raves and such) or if there are actual gates that get closed and locked at a particular time.
https://parks.ny.gov/parks/robertmoses/details.aspx
I do see this on street view at the traffic circle exit one would take to get to Field 2.
But if there are only gates on incoming lanes, one could in theory drive into the park in the late afternoon and stay until the park might be technically considered closed by whoever closed the incoming gates.
EDIT: Actually there are permits you can get for being in the park after dark, including one specifically for "star gazing" and one for "night photography":
https://parks.ny.gov/regions/long-island/default.aspx
https://parks.ny.gov/parks/robertmoses/details.aspx
I do see this on street view at the traffic circle exit one would take to get to Field 2.
But if there are only gates on incoming lanes, one could in theory drive into the park in the late afternoon and stay until the park might be technically considered closed by whoever closed the incoming gates.
EDIT: Actually there are permits you can get for being in the park after dark, including one specifically for "star gazing" and one for "night photography":
https://parks.ny.gov/regions/long-island/default.aspx
NoParty
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I've had quite a few permits in my life...one for "star gazing" would surely be the most weighty:
"I swear Officer, I totally glimpsed Cetus Eridanus!!"
"All right, bailiff, what's this fellow in for?"
"Looking up without a looking-up permit, sir."
"Was he at least a trained observer?"
"Not that I could observe, sir."
"Fellow wouldn't even know if he was looking at an orb or an egg, then, would he? Arr-arr-arr."
"Yes, sir, very droll, sir."
"I'm right crafty like that. When's he up for processing?"
"I'm afraid there's a long line ahead of him, sir."
"A line, eh. How long?"
"Could be three feet, could be 150 feet. Hard to tell in this lighting, sir."
TRON
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Not likely as the standard pin height is 6'. This light is above the treeline. The golf course is surrounded by many trees.
I know @Mick West replied that the red light in the distance just over the treeline is "too far north..." to be that tall tower I referenced, but I have to disagree. The camera angle is just right to where that is a possibility. While I am not trying to split hairs with exact angles, FoV, and compass directions, I think this rough estimate of perspective and FoV from where the video was taken is enough to make this viable and not too far north. The red arrow points to the tower location. The car looks to be in about the second or third row of parking, so the view is open to a large area of that parking lot.
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deirdre
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the brothers did say they had a permit.
I was trying for exact angles.We know that they can see the first two posts of the canopy, so the camera has to be East of them.
We also know it's just to the North of the middle of the concrete strip that leads to the South side of the bench, and the line of sight to the red light goes just to the north of the bench.
Here the red light is what I think the LOS to the light is. The yellow line and green lines both go to the tower. Yellow misses the sandy area entirely. Green goes through the correct point north of the bench, but is too far from the posts.
Of couse, GE isn't perfect at aligning the satellite images, but I can't adjust the green line in a way that makes sense with the post.
NoParty
Senior Member.
Sorry if I missed it, in 358 posts, but do we know what the education/professions of
the Tedesco brothers are?
I think I saw them referred to as retired "engineers" somewhere...but given the
Keystone Kops approach we see here, seemingly baffled by the night sky and their own
fancy gear, I can't imagine that it has anything to do with their new self-appointed mission...
the Tedesco brothers are?
I think I saw them referred to as retired "engineers" somewhere...but given the
Keystone Kops approach we see here, seemingly baffled by the night sky and their own
fancy gear, I can't imagine that it has anything to do with their new self-appointed mission...
jimmyslippin
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Here are the claimed qualifications of the Tedesco brothers taken from the description of a video on the Erika Lukes | Expanding Frontiers Youtube channel, where they were interviewed by Erika.
Source: Youtube
John Tedesco, M.Ed, BSEE., CET - has worked as a chief electronics projects engineer and senior R&D / Safety engineer for Underwriters Laboratories for over 20 years. In that role, he has done extensive designs and builds of state-of-the-art analytical test instrumentation for the laboratories, and extensive performance test research into new technological products on the market, as well as safety testing. John has also served as the Chairman of the I.E.E.E., which is responsible for the advancement of technology for humanity, assisting the NTSB in airliner crash analysis, and also conduct scientific peer-reviews on new technologies for the scientific community. There is virtually no piece of technology on the market, that John hasn't had significant hands-on experience with (including advanced power systems, imaging systems, communications, Optronics, thermography, acoustics systems, etc.) John is also a professional Educator specializing in the Technical education of complex electronics theory and concepts, which he has taught professionally for several years.
Gerald (Gerry) Tedesco, BSc., BEA - Began his professional career in both Public Health and Forensic science. He worked as an EMT, a Forensics lab analyst for the Suffolk County Office of the Medical Examiner, a Laboratory Technician for Underwriters Laboratories, and a Behavioral Evidence Analyst (criminal profiler), where he served as a Forensics Consultant on the Terri Schiavo case. Gerry then changed careers and trained in CADD and engineering technologies, where he worked in the military defense contractors industry for 30 years. In that role, he held a DoD Secret Clearance to work in widely diversified areas of sensitive defense technologies, such as RSTA and Aviation/Avionics systems for the armed forces and Homeland Security.
