New "black chemtrail" video

MikeC

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Looks like the contrail is in shadow to me - rather than being the shadow of a contrail, since the a/c generating it is shown and it is "dark" right out of the engines??

 
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Ross Marsden

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Hmmm. Interesting. My first question with these things is, "Where is the sun? How is it illuminating the scene?"
 

captfitch

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There's other examples out there I'm sure, and the other pilots here can probably back me up on this but, for some reason in flight there's a specific angle or relation where the contrail can look almost black. Like a smokey, on fire, dark black. Then the angle slowly changes and it gets lighter and lighter.
 

Mick West

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Hard to tell without the wider picture, but it does look like the contrail is just in shadow, so seems dark against the blue and white of the background. It's not black though, just grey. It's all relative.
 

captfitch

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The blackest, darkest ones I've seen are the ones NOT in shadow but backlit or some angular light combination. I'll try to look for an example.
 

Mick West

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No it's not a contrail shadow - it is a contrail IN a shadow - not quite the same.
#1 on the list there, although that covers quite a few possibilities.
 

MikeC

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Yeah well we aren't all airline pilots with 20,000 hrs asleep in a cockpit! :) Tell it to the guy who made the video :):):)
 

deirdre

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according to the guy who posted this video, below is 'allegedly' a still shot of the same scene. lots of shadows, but the smoke is black on the side of the plane not in shadow.
 

justanairlinepilot

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I guess if you've seen what I've seen and many more other pilots have seen you'd never question these pictures. I'd consider myself an expert in the field and if you want to argue the contrary...have at it. However, I'm telling you that those pictures have to do with sun angle and maybe passive cloud interference as much as you want to say otherwise.

It's a hopeless argument at its best. It's what feeds speculation and ignorance...conspiracies.
 

deirdre

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That looks more like smoke from an engine fire than anything else.. but I could be completely wrong.
except the plane doesn't appear to be in distress. I'm leaning toward hoax now. there's only 3 seconds of plane footage in the video. wouldn't be that hard to fake.
 

Mick West

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I guess if you've seen what I've seen and many more other pilots have seen you'd never question these pictures. I'd consider myself an expert in the field and if you want to argue the contrary...have at it. However, I'm telling you that those pictures have to do with sun angle and maybe passive cloud interference as much as you want to say otherwise.

It's a hopeless argument at its best. It's what feeds speculation and ignorance...conspiracies.
You can't just sweep things under the rug with "I know better" though.

Why is the trail so dark in that photo? How could the plane be washed out white, and yet the trail be black?



It's a bit of a puzzle. An exact answer would be useful.
 

justanairlinepilot

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Mick why are you placing an argument? It's technology. I has no replacement for the human eye. Your comment is weird.

I'm sorry if you're serious.

Given your prowess with technology you should be able to determine if this jet was having trouble...
 
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justanairlinepilot

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Yes...I've seen both pictures many times in my over 12k hours of flying. What's the big deal? It has everything do do with sunlight and maybe clouds. So what?
 

Svartbjørn

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refraction of protons is amazing isn't it?
Yep.. it truly is.


except the plane doesn't appear to be in distress. I'm leaning toward hoax now. there's only 3 seconds of plane footage in the video. wouldn't be that hard to fake.
Thats also a very good thought. I'll try running the pic through photoshop when I get home from work and see if I can dissect it. I may not be able to but wth.. its worth a shot.

*edited to avoid confusion.. there were several posts added as I was replying.
 

Mick West

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The big deal is why the plane is bright white, and the contrail is black.

If it's so incredibly common, then surely there would be more photos of such things, and an easy explanation.
 

justanairlinepilot

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Ok gentlemen. [...] Those damn pictures are totally normal. WTF??? What am I missing about what you're not seeing?
 
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Svartbjørn

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Ok gentlemen. [...] Those damn pictures are totally normal. WTF??? What am I missing about what you're not seeing?
I like to tear things apart when they pique my interest. I accept that you have a lot of experience as a pilot, but I dont just take things at face value or people at their word. Its part of what makes life enjoyable. It could be completely mundane, or it could be some jackass perpetuating a hoax, or it could be something legit. By tearing things apart and looking at them, you can figure them out.. which for me is 99% of the fun in life. Call it scientific curiosity, or just curiosity in general. Its the same reason I study Psychology/Sociology as well as Astrophysics and Astronomy.. I like to know how things work and why. Its why I employ the scientific method.. I have your hypothesis and your testing (your experience) and now Im going to test another hypothesis (that its fake) as well as do some independent research. If things things turn out to be as common as you say.. GREAT.. if not.. GREAT.. means I learned something new either way.
 

Mick West

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Ok gentlemen. I know I am a belligerent cocky asshole but you're fucking pissing me off. Those damn pictures are totally normal. WTF??? What am I missing about what you're not seeing?


Black contrail. White plane. Even if you see this all the time, we still need to explain how it is possible.
 

Pete Tar

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The first one posted looks like nothing really odd.
The second one, with the extreme contrast and the background, does. It should be determined what's going on there.
 

Mick West

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The first one posted looks like nothing really odd.
The second one, with the extreme contrast and the background, does. It should be determined what's going on there.
My thoughts exactly. I'm leaning towards some manipulation of the photo.
 

deirdre

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The first one posted looks like nothing really odd.
The second one, with the extreme contrast and the background, does. It should be determined what's going on there.
well I thought it was odd they cut away from the plane so quickly.
 

justanairlinepilot

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I like to tear things apart when they pique my interest. I accept that you have a lot of experience as a pilot, but I dont just take things at face value or people at their word. Its part of what makes life enjoyable. It could be completely mundane, or it could be some jackass perpetuating a hoax, or it could be something legit. By tearing things apart and looking at them, you can figure them out.. which for me is 99% of the fun in life. Call it scientific curiosity, or just curiosity in general. Its the same reason I study Psychology/Sociology as well as Astrophysics and Astronomy.. I like to know how things work and why. Its why I employ the scientific method.. I have your hypothesis and your testing (your experience) and now Im going to test another hypothesis (that its fake) as well as do some independent research. If things things turn out to be as common as you say.. GREAT.. if not.. GREAT.. means I learned something new either way.

Well, I certainly appreciate your comment. Well spoken. The only way I can describe what I see in this situation is a high overcast. Cirrostratus. Like really high clouds (40K plus). The camera angle is deceiving. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert but I do see this phenomenon take place occasionally. To pretend like it's some weird new scientific event is odd in my opinion.
 
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