National Scout Jamboree 2013

[Boodles]

When I came across this umm... proto-conspiratorial false flag theory a few weeks ago, as others may have done, in a purely dispassionate, disinterested way I thought it had the makings of something that was complex, emotive, scandalous and, quite possibly, montrous. There was just one thing though: the actual event hasn't happened yet, let alone the accompanying "false flag" operation the instigator of suspicions has alleged to have uncovered. Quite what was predicted to happen, aside scouting? A multi-agency mass casualty conventional and non-conventional chemical and germ weapons terror attack drill involving 50 000+ scouts and their families, and the imposition of unlimited marshall law with large scale quarantine procedures with that could, in theory, go on for months (it is said the state governor has signed off executive orders for such powers, there is no fixed beginning or end to the drill). The instigator of suspicions says this drill is planned to coincide with the scout event. Perhaps this is the first false assumption he has made? The event is certainly going to be highly militarised, authorities say this is incase of terrorist attacks. National Guard from across several states will be in attendance in very large numbers, again, this is public knowledge, and for security reasons


The source has sources and hopes that by publishing a warning he can avert what he believes could be a catastrope. I figured I would post it as a) one never know, and b) I should imagine there will be interest in this event because of what has already been circulated. In all likelihood conspiracy sites will watch for signs of trouble, the scouts will do scouting things for a few days, nothing untoward will happen, and they'll all go home.

I do of course know false flag events happen regularly, a cursory glance through the shadiest pages of British army history in Northern Ireland will demonstrate they happen with alarming regularity and often pass completely unnoticed; that is their point, afterall. In respect of what is alleged to have been planned for this event I have allowed myself to consider the possibility that the "whistleblower" is on to something and wondered whether or not foreknowledge among a few thousand Youtubers would put the 'perpetrators' off. Perhaps, it would not? Not a great deal one can say about an event that hasn't happened. Here's a link to what I believe was the first upload concerning the matter, or non-matter. The story did the rounds in May then dropped. With a week to go I'm sure it will attempt to revive itself. If a few dozen scouts get flu it'll be alleged Bechtal... Well, lets see, watch nothing happen.

http://nevadagovernor2014.com/natio...g-nevada-governor-2014-david-lory-vanderbeek/



This boy sprout sports a hazard badge, I think he must'be been honoured by his doppelganger Barack.

 

[Boodles]

Link above:
"... notes from a government source that FEMA is preparing an unannounced disease outbreak drill caused by conventional and unconventional terrorism in July with 4:1 ratio of mental and “sick” and stated that this drill was scheduled to be held at the Jamboree. Unconventional terrorism is chemical and germ weapons. There will be killed and wounded family members involving sociogenic illness which means that a medical condition will be shared by a mass of people."

Allowing myself to go with this projected theory I think water, water, and wonder what is meant by a 4:1 ratio of mental and sick. Mental what? Four psychological casualties to every physical casualty? Or 25% of attendees suffer one or the other? I'm picturing LSD or bacteria in the new Graywater system there. Or maybe it's me that's tripping, or our friend from Nevada.

 

[Mick West]

Bet you $20 it doesn't happen.

 

[Boodles]

Bet you $20 it doesn't happen.

Yes I wouldn't bet against you. Is this gentleman the actual governor, I presume he is a candidate. Can't imagine it'll do his political reputation much good; but it's paradoxical, even if a "go live" scenerio was sheer fantasy from the beginning, there will be those that will credit him for averting a tragedy.

 

[Cairenn]

Well he isn't governor in NV, he wants to be, but in his last campaign for Senate he got 48,792 votes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Nevada,_2012

Digging a little more on him.

Profession: (profession and work experience outside politics)
My main office is at Las Vegas Psychiatry where I am a professional therapist. I have a second office in Pahrump. My Bachelors of Arts Degree is in Philosophy from Brigham Young University. My Masters of Science Degree is in Marriage and Family Therapy from Capella University. My Doctor of Philosophy in Marriage and Family Therapy is in process from Northcentral University.

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Northcentral University is a private, for-profit, accredited university based in Prescott Valley, Arizona, that offers distance education.

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It is accredited in his field, so that is correct.



I also found this less than glowing story about him on blog' Take it for what it is worth.


http://wonkette.com/496302/wackaloo...overnor-ready-for-civil-war-obama-to-kill-him

This somewhat unconventionally coifed gentleman is David Lory VanDerBeek, Nevada’s Constitution Party candidate for Governor in 2014. In addition to failing to win election to the U.S. Senate in 2012, he has posted several very long videos to YouTube, and we have watched two of them so you won’t have to (we kind of gave up at the prospect of watching his Sandy Hook Truther video, however). In the video above, he explains that Barack Obama is exactly like Hitler, which he proves by explaining that Hitler did a number of things to seize and consolidate power in Nazi Germany, and then showing how all the things that Barack Obama is going to do real soon are exactly like what Hitler did. The parallels are uncanny. He prays that we can avoid the coming second civil war, but he has a gun and a stiffy just in case.

Mr. VanDerBeek is also rather certain that the brave stances he takes, such as being “the only major political leader in the U.S. willing to ask real questions about Sandy Hook” and standing up to the secret societies of the New World Order, place him in constant danger — on his 2012 campaign website, he warns government intelligence agents who “monitor us for your masters” that they need to .....He also wants to put a LOT of people in prison for treason, starting with Barack Hussein Obama of course, but also including “every Congress member … that voted for the NDAA which was treason” as well as “Bilderberg, CFR, and Bohemian Grove,” for a start (that promise is from a “meet the candidate” profile from the 2012 Senate race. He nevertheless received nearly 49,000 votes).

Mr. VanDerBeek believes that all terrorist attacks on the U.S. have been staged by the government so it can strip citizens of their rights. He believes that the TSA is exactly like the Gestapo, and as an example, he presents the story of Texas (yes, we know) State Troopers who performed a gross roadside cavity search on two women, as documented on Wonkette...VanDerBeek builds to a peroration worthy of Obi-Wan Kenobi:

The longer you ignore me, the stronger I’ll grow. The more you oppose me, the more you’ll expose yourself. The more you hurt me, the more the American people will see you for the piece of gutter trash you are.

You will also be very, very surprised to learn that Mr. VanDerBeek is worried about flouride. And vaccinations. And chemtrails. But he does trust Dr. Jerome Corsi, PhD and Alex Jones.

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[Boodles]

Bet you $20 it doesn't happen.

Could I ask you to clarify what will not happen, the "going live" aspect of a drill? The false flag (ie blaming the Russians, or Elvis Presley etc), or the claim of any drill at all, let alone any attack?

Only I have found some things that "may" back up his assertion of a simultaneous drill, but obviously, nothing to suggest duplicity in a go-live scenerio.

They shift the drill to Indiana, eventually, if I am understanding correctly. I may be ahead of the governor (edit: outside candidate for governor) there. Hardly "unannounced", declassified.

 

[Mick West]

Could I ask you to clarify what will not happen, the "going live" aspect of a drill? The false flag (ie blaming the Russians, or Elvis Presley etc), or the claim of any drill at all, let alone any attack?

"The claim of any drill at all, let alone any attack". There's no evidence even of a drill. VanDerBeek is just repeating Alex Jones/Glenn Beck type stuff.

 

[Boodles]

"The claim of any drill at all, let alone any attack". There's no evidence even of a drill. VanDerBeek is just repeating Alex Jones/Glenn Beck type stuff.

I see. Thanks. I will double check what I found and get back to you guys on that. There is "something" in the story, I think.

 

[Cairenn]

Please don't call him the governor, he isn't. The governor of Nevada is Brian Sandoval.

He is not really even a viable candidate for governor, however he 'styles' himself as the governor.

 

[Boodles]

"The claim of any drill at all, let alone any attack". There's no evidence even of a drill. VanDerBeek is just repeating Alex Jones/Glenn Beck type stuff.

Oh, and in line with other debunked stuff here, I read weeks ago, reports from locals in West Virginia, of trucks going on to the scout site with the "grave liners" made by Halliburton. Struck me as a peculiar place to store them. Military helicopters chased the assailants off the site, according to those that say they were there.

There are also reports of an underground military base there, and generally a sense of heavy militarisation. All well and good, one could assume, if the military have operations there.

 

[Boodles]

Please don't call him the governor, he isn't. The governor of Nevada is Brian Sandoval.

He is not really even a viable candidate for governor, however he 'styles' himself as the governor.

True, sorry, used the term loosely, as in completely incorrectly.

With respect to your sources there I think the coif alludes to his former long hair. Can't be judgemental about distance learning though I am. Guess without realising it I have soaked up snobbery with respect to elitism in politics and educational establishments. He is obviously a fringe candidate with views honed from Alex Jones, and many would take grave offence with his comparison of Obama to Hitler but I think politics needs more goofy people. Can't all have gone to Stanford or Yale.

 

[Boodles]

"The claim of any drill at all, let alone any attack". There's no evidence even of a drill. VanDerBeek is just repeating Alex Jones/Glenn Beck type stuff.

He broke the story/nonstory. Infowars followed his release, with one page on it. Then silence. But I take your point about his general outlook.

 

[Cairenn]

Sorry, I want SANE folks in office, not ones that see ninjas in every shadow. My dog is more intelligent than that. Most folks that use a picture for business uses, chose one that makes them look like they are well groomed and neat.

By the way, the nickname that many have in Texas for our governor is 'Governor Good Hair'

Haliburton doesn't make grave liners, they are mainly an oil field service company. The don't do injection molding. Was that the same truck picture, that was reported in GA ( but the highway it was seen on, doesn't go near the town that it was reported in--hmm that is strange), in Wisconsin and Conn and on the way to Chicago?

 

[Boodles]

Sorry, I want SANE folks in office, not ones that see ninjas in every shadow. My dog is more intelligent than that. Most folks that use a picture for business uses, chose one that makes them look like they are well groomed and neat.

By the way, the nickname that many have in Texas for our governor is 'Governor Good Hair'

Haliburton doesn't make grave liners, they are mainly an oil field service company. The don't do injection molding. Was that the same truck picture, that was reported in GA ( but the highway it was seen on, doesn't go near the town that it was reported in--hmm that is strange), in Wisconsin and Conn and on the way to Chicago?

Yes he doesn't sound too sane. Then again, high intelligence is common among institutional schizophrenics so I wouldn't equate insanity with stupidity. In saying that I've no idea of the level of this man's intelligence or pyschological status. But sure he's an outsider, colouring the water, I'm sure Mick here remembers in England we had "Screaming" Lord Sutch, his political party put up candidates in near every constituency, who used to stand behind the main party figures as election poll results were read out on TV, dressed as total freaks, went by the name of The Monster Raving Looney Party He was actually a very rich, eccentric aristocrat, old money, lampooning the establishment grey suits. They had unusual policies too, daft ones, but were fun, as opposed to paranoid, like our man from Nevada. He won't catch the vote of Democrats by talking of a treasonable Obama. But as Democrats are city dwellers maybe that doesn't matter. I've no idea of the socio-ethno demographic out there.

My mistake re: Haliburton. Must've picked up the wrong information. No, it wasn't a photograph or video of a truck (I recall one "masonic" truck video where the "coffins" turned out to be electrical junction boxes or some such); I was referring to a first hand account, someone that saw the trucks going in and entered the camp to inspect them, they were chased out by an army helicopter. If folks can mistake electrical junction boxes for "FEMA coffins" then well, who knows what those people saw in the Bechtal camp. Can't recall where I saw their account, was weeks ago.

Rick Perry? Good hair and teeth, essential for policy makers.

 

[Landru]

The Boy Scout Jamboree was previously held at Fort A. P. Hill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natio..._Summit_Bechtel_Family_National_Scout_Reserve

The BSA announced in June 2008 that locales interested in permanently hosting the National Jamboree should submit applications to BSA. Permanent Jamboree site considerations included 5,000 acres (20 km2) to be donated or leased for 100 years, water, natural beauty, transportation, ability to also host World Jamborees, and use as a BSA high adventure/training center in non-jamboree years.
Goshen Scout Reservation in Virginia was selected for the new site in February 2009,[14] [15] but was withdrawn due to significant restrictions on land utilization[16] and local community opposition.
The Summit Bechtel Family National Scout Reserve in the New River Gorge region was chosen as the new home of the national Scout jamboree in November 2009.[17] The purchase of the property was made possible by a $50 million gift from the S. D. Bechtel, Jr. Foundation.[18][19] Other donations, including a $25 million donation from The Suzanne and Walter Scott Foundation and a gift of an undisclosed amount from Mike and Gillian Goodrich, as well as other donations, have brought the total amount of contributions for The Summit to over $100 million in under one year.[20] A portion of the 10,000-acre (40 km2) property is a reclaimed mine site once known as Garden Grounds. It is located along the New River Gorge National River near Mount Hope, West Virginia and north of Beckley, West Virginia.[21]

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It is not really a Bechtel facility as the S. D. Bechtel, Jr. Foundation just put up the money.

 

[Boodles]

Yes, I realise that, donations.

 

[Melbury's Brick]

I do of course know false flag events happen regularly, a cursory glance through the shadiest pages of British army history in Northern Ireland will demonstrate they happen with alarming regularity.

"False flag" operations almost certainly do happen regularly. You would certainly expect most conflicts to have some events that would fall into that category. However, posing as your enemy in order to decieve them (the original naval usage) and attacking your own personnel/resources/civilians on your own soil (more frequent since 9/11), are different interpretations.

Either way, why single out Northern ireland?

 

[Joe Newman]

Haliburton doesn't make grave liners, they are mainly an oil field service company. The don't do injection molding.

They don't? Ah, my bad, then. It's good to get this kind of info because it does help us to sift through the lies and disinformation, which is good for us all, regardless of how we feel about this or that issue, right.

It's about knowing the truth as best we can, so, again, thanks for the tip, because I am not above admitting when I am wrong. And now that I have your assurance of the above, I can now put to rest the false idea I picked up somewhere that an innovative new technology from Halliburton called ProTechCRB involves using an injection molding process to pre-bond ceramic carbon fiber standoffs or centralizers directly to the outer surface of casing.

Thanks for clearing that up. I know it's an old cliche from Planet Tinfoil, but it's still the case that the truth is out there.

Ya just gotta poke around.

 

[Landru]

They don't? Ah, my bad, then. It's good to get this kind of info because it does help us to sift through the lies and disinformation, which is good for us all, regardless of how we feel about this or that issue, right.

It's about knowing the truth as best we can, so, again, thanks for the tip, because I am not above admitting when I am wrong. And now that I have your assurance of the above, I can now put to rest the false idea I picked up somewhere that an innovative new technology from Halliburton called ProTechCRB involves using an injection molding process to pre-bond ceramic carbon fiber standoffs or centralizers directly to the outer surface of casing.

Thanks for clearing that up. I know it's an old cliche from Planet Tinfoil, but it's still the case that the truth is out there.

Ya just gotta poke around.

After poking around I found that ProTechCRB is used in well operations and not burial vaults.

http://www.halliburton.com/en-US/ps...nts/protech-molded-composite-attachments.page

Deep, hot, and highly deviated or horizontal well sections, sticking and wear are just some of the complications operators are now facing every day. Add to that, new and unusual applications such as slimhole, multi-lateral or abrasive environments and the need for versatile and robust casing attachments is more essential than ever before. Halliburton’s Protech DRB™ and Protech CRB™ casing attachments answer these needs, and more, with a unique solution that utilizes the latest resin, carbon fiber and ceramic technologies to apply wear resistant and/or flow enhancing centralizers, deflectors or protectors directly to customer tubulars. Protech’s Drillpipe Resin Blend and Casing Resin Blend centralizers are deployed in deepwater, extended reach, and slimhole wells around the world with excellent results.

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Do you have evidence that burial vaults are being moved to the National Scout Jamboree site?

 

[Mick West]

They don't? Ah, my bad, then. It's good to get this kind of info because it does help us to sift through the lies and disinformation, which is good for us all, regardless of how we feel about this or that issue, right.

It's about knowing the truth as best we can, so, again, thanks for the tip, because I am not above admitting when I am wrong. And now that I have your assurance of the above, I can now put to rest the false idea I picked up somewhere that an innovative new technology from Halliburton called ProTechCRB involves using an injection molding process to pre-bond ceramic carbon fiber standoffs or centralizers directly to the outer surface of casing.

Thanks for clearing that up. I know it's an old cliche from Planet Tinfoil, but it's still the case that the truth is out there.

Ya just gotta poke around.

Joe, to aid communication, I strongly suggest you phrase such responses like the following:

http://www.halliburton.com/en-US/ps...s-oil/shale-plays/haynesville-challenges.page

Our new ProTech CRB® centralizers use an injection molding process to pre-bond ceramic carbon fiber centralizers directly to the outer casing before the casing is run in the hole.

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[Joe Newman]

After poking around I found that ProTechCRB is used in well operations and not burial vaults.

Excellent find. Thank you for sharing it. So now we have a more accurate picture and can safely say that all else aside, we've adequately debunked the claim that Haliburton does not do injection molding. A little thing, sure, but it's good to nip this sort of thing in the bud, right?

Do you have evidence that burial vaults are being moved to the National Scout Jamboree site?

Uh, no. Why? Did someone suggest I had? Folks are saying all sorts of shit about me and it's hard to keep up with it all, so I may have missed that one. But I never said that, I assure you.

Btw, I used to do injection molding for a contractor who supplied parts for the Polaris missile guidance system.

Worked with a lot of gold, too. In fact, it's a very good bet, though I have no way to verify it, that I've probably had more gold in my hot little hands than the rest of ya here combined. Hundreds of pounds of the stuff all told. Pertinent to nothing, of course, just an odd thought.

 

[Joe Newman]

Joe, to aid communication, I strongly suggest you phrase such responses like the following:

http://www.halliburton.com/en-US/ps...s-oil/shale-plays/haynesville-challenges.page

Our new ProTech CRB® centralizers use an injection molding process to pre-bond ceramic carbon fiber centralizers directly to the outer casing before the casing is run in the hole.

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Huh? I thought I absolutely nailed it. I think we can even use "verbatim" safely, don't you.

Cool that you are the second one to find it, and in a few minutes no less. Say, ya think you or one of your crew would have even been bothered to look if I hadn't pointed it out?

Rhetorical question, that.

The value of preemptive checking before making verifiable claims sure does have it's benefits, eh? Maybe you should encourage that sort of thing, Mick. Just a thought.

 

[Mick West]

And try to avoid sarcasm. It's not helping communication. Just irks people.

Say exactly what you think.

 

[Mick West]

Huh? I thought I absolutely nailed it. I think we can even use "verbatim" safely, don't you.

No you didn't. You rambled sarcastically for several sentences, and included the mention of injection molding without quotes, and without a link.

If you don't want to communicate clearly, then please leave.

 

[Joe Newman]

And try to avoid sarcasm. It's not helping communication. Just irks people.

Say exactly what you think.

Heh. That one didn't go as planned, eh?

Maybe you should give that same advice to the guy who sought to "debunk" me with the same kind of sarcasm.

I exactly think the evidence is rather overwhelming that your politeness policy only seems to cover half the field while the home team is free to partake in a pecking party unchecked.

 

[Mick West]

If you have a problem with a post being impolite, then click the "report" button underneath it.

Try to be brief. Give links. Quote things in [EX] tags.

 

[Joe Newman]

If you have a problem with a post being impolite, then click the "report" button underneath it.

I'm was raised on the frontier, Mick. Politeness wasn't a staple in the wild, wild West of Usenet. Beyond the borders of moderation, some of those towns were downright vicious. Without any sheriff to protect us, we had to learn to fend for ourselves, so I don't have any problem with a post being impolite and certainly won't be reporting anyone.

 

[Mick West]

I'll settle for brevity then.

 

[Boodles]

"False flag" operations almost certainly do happen regularly. You would certainly expect most conflicts to have some events that would fall into that category. However, posing as your enemy in order to decieve them (the original naval usage) and attacking your own personnel/resources/civilians on your own soil (more frequent since 9/11), are different interpretations.

Either way, why single out Northern ireland?

Good points. Thanks. One can only speculate, for the most part, on the operations of secret services and to what extent those in control "think the unthinkable" and cross lines of acceptability. This is why I find the idea behind this site interesting. It is commendable, of course, to combat absurd ideas with rigorous science, particularly with respect to conspiracy theories that have a basis in pseudo-science, the problem with debunking conspiracy theories with an ideological or political emphasis is they have nothing to do with science and can't be proved or disproved, on the face of it, as often motives for events are highly secretive.

I mentioned Northern Ireland as there are good examples there of ideological or political conspiracies being taken to the ground, to the public, involving the killing of innocent people, that "thinking the unthinkable" by elements in the British secret service, for political or ideological ends. Further to that it is a good example as many events there are now understood to have been proven as false flags events, rather than events such as 911, which seem to never reach consensus in terms of establishing who was responsible.

You could look to the Omagh bombing, in Northern Ireland, as an example. Wholly blamed on the IRA by British government world media, and written in the stone as such, then later exposed as an attrocity that involved British secret service elements throughout, and an atttocity commited with full and prior knowledge of the British secret service, and arguably therefore, instigated in large part by British secret service elements.

Though of course trying to persuade the masses of the people that Irish terrorism is often British secret service state terrorism is impossible, such is the hegemony within press, TV and elsewhere. The story is written. Occasionally papers such as The Guardian expose the lie but the lie is already written in the stone, itched on to the public's brains. Same with 9/11, WW1, WW2 etc. Never quite what people think.

 

[Mick West]

Masonic discussion moved to:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/masons-and-morocco.1954/

 

[Mick West]

You could look to the Omagh bombing, in Northern Ireland, as an example. Wholly blamed on the IRA by British government world media, and written in the stone as such, then later exposed as an attrocity that involved British secret service elements throughout, and an atttocity commited with full and prior knowledge of the British secret service, and arguably therefore, instigated in large part by British secret service elements.

Or not. Seems reminiscent of allegations of CIA involvement in the 1993 WTC bombing. An intelligence failure, not really involvement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing#Responsibility

Reading that reminds me of "Ghosts of Belfast". Good book.

 

[Cairenn]

Boodles mentioned that the 5th Army was involved in the scout camp. I would like to see some evidence of that.

 

[Boodles]

Boodles mentioned that the 5th Army was involved in the scout camp. I would like to see some evidence of that.

Stage one preparation now and since January, stage two deployment and pre-execution begins on the 10th. Maybe they are just looking after Obama. Is he going to be there for two weeks, no, but they are stationed there for the duration.

 

[Cairenn]

Can you provide a link to some EVIDENCE for that?

 

[Boodles]

Can you provide a link to some EVIDENCE for that?

Is it that unusual for the army to provide defense support to civil authorities? I wouldn't have thought so. The Jamboree site is clear about Department of Defense involvement in anycase.

 

[Boodles]

http://www.summitblog.org/2013-jamboree-safety-and-security

The governor of West Virginia has likewise made a clear statement regarding the importance of these two areas [safety and security] in his issuance of an executive order directed toward ensuring the safety and security of the Scouts attending the jamboree. His actions have mobilized a network of support elements.In the area of safety, we have gone to great lengths to conduct risk analyses of the various activities being offered at the jamboree and to ensure safety protocols are in place to minimize the chance of injury. We have also assembled an extensive team of health care professionals to staff the jamboree. This team, together with healthcare support from the local community, West Virginia National Guard, and Department of Defense, makes up an on-site layered response capability that will provide support throughout the jamboree.

As to the issue of security, while we do not speak openly about our security arrangements for what I hope would be obvious reasons, I can share that as a national event our security procedures involve a coordinated effort among federal state and local homeland security and law enforcement personnel. A joint task force to coordinate both Department of Defense and West Virginia National Guard assets supporting the jamboree is in place and will be present throughout the event to respond to emergencies. The West Virginia Division of Homeland Security is also providing support and coordination with other federal, state and local law enforcement, public health and emergency management agencies.

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[Boodles]

Or not. Seems reminiscent of allegations of CIA involvement in the 1993 WTC bombing. An intelligence failure, not really involvement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing#Responsibility

Reading that reminds me of "Ghosts of Belfast". Good book.

As I understand it at least one of the men responsible was a British security services operative, and it was considered more important that his cover wasn't blown then saving the lives of the townsfolk. They knew the attack was on, were part of it, and did nothing. If that's a failure of intelligence then, yes.

 

[Boodles]

Or not. Seems reminiscent of allegations of CIA involvement in the 1993 WTC bombing. An intelligence failure, not really involvement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing#Responsibility

Reading that reminds me of "Ghosts of Belfast". Good book.

http://www.whale.to/b/british13.html

And more generally:

http://www.whale.to/b/northern_ireland.html

Whale is sometimes off the mark, sometimes bang on. I haven't read Ghosts of Belfast. Will check it out.

 

[Mick West]

As I understand it at least one of the men responsible was a British security services operative, and it was considered more important that his cover wasn't blown then saving the lives of the townsfolk. They knew the attack was on, were part of it, and did nothing. If that's a failure of intelligence then, yes.

http://www.whale.to/b/british13.html

Entirely based on the accusations of one guy.

The RUC chief constable Sir Ronnie Flanagan claims no such information was received, despite Fulton claiming to have a tape of a conversation with his handler in which the officer appears to admit the tip-off was received.
...
Nuala O'Loan, the Northern Ireland ombudsman, has launched an inquiry into claims by Fulton that the RUC ignored his tip-off. John Reid, the Northern Ireland secretary, described Fulton's claims as 'unfounded allegations'.

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Hardly definitive proof that they let it happen to not blow his cover. It seems almost identical the equally specious WTC allegations.

Thinking it sounds like something they would do is not evidence that they did it.[/quote]

 

[Cairenn]

http://www.summitblog.org/2013-jamboree-safety-and-security

The governor of West Virginia has likewise made a clear statement regarding the importance of these two areas [safety and security] in his issuance of an executive order directed toward ensuring the safety and security of the Scouts attending the jamboree. His actions have mobilized a network of support elements.In the area of safety, we have gone to great lengths to conduct risk analyses of the various activities being offered at the jamboree and to ensure safety protocols are in place to minimize the chance of injury. We have also assembled an extensive team of health care professionals to staff the jamboree. This team, together with healthcare support from the local community, West Virginia National Guard, and Department of Defense, makes up an on-site layered response capability that will provide support throughout the jamboree.


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Still nothing about Army 5--just a passing mention of DoD. If you NOTICE the picture is of a med evac copter.

Do you remember what happened in Norway? Maybe you don't think that worrying about safety is important, but I do.